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Turkish aerospace and defence exports decline 16.8% in 2020
by Kerry Herschelman

Turkey’s total aerospace and defence exports declined by 16.8% in 2020 to USD2.27 billion, compared with 2019’s USD2.74 billion, according to figures disclosed by the Turkish Exporters Assembly (TİM) on 5 January.

Exports for December 2020 declined by 3.2% to USD279.51 million compared to USD288.64 million in December 2019.

An unknown amount of the total defence and aviation exports for 2020 include exports in the civil aviation market, which has been severely affected by the Covid-19 pandemic.

The Bayraktar TB2 UAV was one of the most prominent Turkish exports in 2020. (Baykar)

The Bayraktar TB2 UAV was one of the most prominent Turkish exports in 2020. (Baykar)
The aerospace and defence industry’s share in the country’s total exports in 2020 was 1.3%.

The United States was the leading destination in 2020, with aerospace and defence exports valued at USD784.22 million, down by 4% from 2019. It was followed by Azerbaijan with exports worth USD260.83 million, up by 194% compared to 2019.

Turkey’s exports to the United Arab Emirates in the defence and aviation sector posted the third-most significant increase with 51%, reaching more than USD200.28 million. Turkish aerospace and defence exports to Germany were valued at USD157.68 million, down by 38.6% from 2019, followed by India at USD127.26 million with a 213.2% decline.

Source: Janes
 
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This decline could very well be due to COVID19 which has caused a global recession.

If it is not...I would suggest Turkey, South Africa, Brazil, Pakistan, and possibly Ukraine form a group...for defense related items. A sort of ITAR free group...that provides affordable alternatives of some of the most common things like tanks, UAVs, small arms, etc. Work can be shared instead of each country spending individually...each creating it's own separate solution. Each country can go into specializing in its field(their strength)...for example Ukraine may provide tank armor, Turkey may provide engines for UAV, etc. This pooling of resources can help these smaller players compete with big arms manufacturers like US, European countries, Russia, and China.

Brazil is broke right now and Ukraine's defense industry is also not doing as well as it should...South Africa has a lot to offer as well just like Turkey...but both aren't able to export as much as they have the potential for. As for Pakistan...it can create more opportunities for JVs and having a viable option other than China that would also help in building local R&D and defense industry. A good start would be to sign an agreement to increase cooperation...and starting with things that is a common need for all the partners, which will ensure at least enough orders for the needs of the members alone...and work their way up from there.

Thoughts? @Quwa @denel @HRK tag others
 
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This decline could very well be due to COVID19 which has caused a global recession.

If it is not...I would suggest Turkey, South Africa, Brazil, Pakistan, and possibly Ukraine form a group...for defense related items. A sort of ITAR free group...that provides affordable alternatives of some of the most common things like tanks, UAVs, small arms, etc. Work can be shared instead of each country spending individually...each creating it's own separate solution. Each country can go into specializing in its field(their strength)...for example Ukraine may provide tank armor, Turkey may provide engines for UAV, etc. This pooling of resources can help these smaller players compete with big arms manufacturers like US, European countries, Russia, and China.

Brazil is broke right now and Ukraine's defense industry is also not doing as well as it should...South Africa has a lot to offer as well just like Turkey...but both aren't able to export as much as they have the potential for. As for Pakistan...it can create more opportunities for JVs and having a viable option other than China that would also help in building local R&D and defense industry. A good start would be to sign an agreement to increase cooperation...and starting with things that is a common need for all the partners, which will ensure at least enough orders for the needs of the members alone...and work their way up from there.

Thoughts? @Quwa @denel @HRK tag others
idea is nice but i think it will be difficult to implement
 
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Understandable at this pandemic situation, even Boeing is being bailed out by US government. Almost all nation defense spending was cut last year, including Indonesia, and dont ask about how severe civil airline fall down last year.
 
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idea is nice but i think it will be difficult to implement
It's difficult if a major project was undertaken all of a sudden...like for example if all these nations tried building a tank...
...it would run into problems for various reasons...like for example Pakistan would probably be more interested in making one that can perform well in hot desert conditions where sand can get everywhere while this might not be something that Turkey and Brazil may have to consider. Such situations have arisen before...where due to different requirements nations abandon working on a common project and end up going their separate ways(e.g. Rafale/EFT).

This is why it's important to start small...and consider a project from all angles before proceeding into it. An excellent example could be a UAV. Turkey already has made progress...while Ukraine, South Africa, and Brazil all can accomplish that too(and have the need)...but if each ends up going their own(like Pakistan is) then it's just each nation reinventing the wheel...footing the whole bill itself...and possibly being each other's competitor.

If they can agree to divide up some sort of a workshare...I think that would be an excellent place to start...and would bring the cost per drone lower(the more they are produced). Another example could be of artillery.

All these countries may be small players in defense industry on their own...but the one thing they have in common is that they represent a third option that at least for now seems free of the strings that come attached with western and eastern options(although eastern options generally have less strings attached). All that's needed is for these third options to realize their strength...and come together to give a synergistic rise to their defense industries. Otherwise they would either wane depending on the economy, demand, and political circumstances(e.g. Ukraine and to a lesser extent South Africa and Brazil) or just chug along at an unremarkable pace mainly catering to domestic needs(Pakistan and Turkey).

@Indos indonesia would be a good fit here as well...Indonesia also has a fledgling defense industry that has its own strengths it can offer.
 
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It's difficult if a major project was undertaken all of a sudden...like for example if all these nations tried building a tank...
...it would run into problems for various reasons...like for example Pakistan would probably be more interested in making one that can perform well in hot desert conditions where sand can get everywhere while this might not be something that Turkey and Brazil may have to consider. Such situations have arisen before...where due to different requirements nations abandon working on a common project and end up going their separate ways(e.g. Rafale/EFT).

This is why it's important to start small...and consider a project from all angles before proceeding into it. An excellent example could be a UAV. Turkey already has made progress...while Ukraine, South Africa, and Brazil all can accomplish that too(and have the need)...but if each ends up going their own(like Pakistan is) then it's just each nation reinventing the wheel...footing the whole bill itself...and possibly being each other's competitor.

If they can agree to divide up some sort of a workshare...I think that would be an excellent place to start...and would bring the cost per drone lower(the more they are produced). Another example could be of artillery.

All these countries may be small players in defense industry on their own...but the one thing they have in common is that they represent a third option that at least for now seems free of the strings that come attached with western and eastern options(although eastern options generally have less strings attached). All that's needed is for these third options to realize their strength...and come together to give a synergistic rise to their defense industries. Otherwise they would either wane depending on the economy, demand, and political circumstances(e.g. Ukraine and to a lesser extent South Africa and Brazil) or just chug along at an unremarkable pace mainly catering to domestic needs(Pakistan and Turkey).

@Indos indonesia would be a good fit here as well...Indonesia also has a fledgling defense industry that has its own strengths it can offer.
this could happen at sub-component level and in the field of Integration
 
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It's difficult if a major project was undertaken all of a sudden...like for example if all these nations tried building a tank...
...it would run into problems for various reasons...like for example Pakistan would probably be more interested in making one that can perform well in hot desert conditions where sand can get everywhere while this might not be something that Turkey and Brazil may have to consider. Such situations have arisen before...where due to different requirements nations abandon working on a common project and end up going their separate ways(e.g. Rafale/EFT).

This is why it's important to start small...and consider a project from all angles before proceeding into it. An excellent example could be a UAV. Turkey already has made progress...while Ukraine, South Africa, and Brazil all can accomplish that too(and have the need)...but if each ends up going their own(like Pakistan is) then it's just each nation reinventing the wheel...footing the whole bill itself...and possibly being each other's competitor.

If they can agree to divide up some sort of a workshare...I think that would be an excellent place to start...and would bring the cost per drone lower(the more they are produced). Another example could be of artillery.

All these countries may be small players in defense industry on their own...but the one thing they have in common is that they represent a third option that at least for now seems free of the strings that come attached with western and eastern options(although eastern options generally have less strings attached). All that's needed is for these third options to realize their strength...and come together to give a synergistic rise to their defense industries. Otherwise they would either wane depending on the economy, demand, and political circumstances(e.g. Ukraine and to a lesser extent South Africa and Brazil) or just chug along at an unremarkable pace mainly catering to domestic needs(Pakistan and Turkey).

@Indos indonesia would be a good fit here as well...Indonesia also has a fledgling defense industry that has its own strengths it can offer.

Well I think joint venture is the solution and Indonesia has made a way on that road with several program with Turkey and South Korea. I think Indonesia can make some JV as well with Pakistan like in MLRS system, particularly bigger caliber one 450 mm.

Indonesia and Turkey
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Indonesia and Korea
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For rocket we are still doing alone


The cooperation between Turkey and Indonesia that many of you guys may dont know. @Cookie Monster


TAI strengthens UAV testing cooperation with BPPT
The collaboration began during the development of ANKA's 2008 unmanned aircraft vehicle (UAV) program
İqbal Musyaffa |12.10.2018

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Vice President Corporate Marketing and Communication of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) Tamer Özmen together with other staff pose, before testing the wind tunnel for the development of an Indonesian-Turkish drone (UAV), at the Aerodynamics, Aerolastics and Aerospace Technology Center (BBTA3), in the region Research Center for Science and Technology (PUSPITEK) in Tangerang, Indonesia on October 11, 2018. (Anton Raharjo - Anadolu Agency)- (That drone is Aksungur, latest TAI drone)

Greater Jakarta
Iqbal Musyaffa
JAKARTA
Turkish aerospace company Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) paid a visit to the Agency for the Assessment and Application of Technology (BPPT) in Serpong, South Tangerang on Thursday, to strengthen cooperation.

The visit also marks 10 years of cooperation between companies and institutions of the two countries.
TAI Vice President for Corporate Marketing and Communication Tamer Ozmen told Anadolu Agency that the cooperation between the two parties had been going on since 2008.

"The cooperation began during the development of ANKA's unmanned aircraft vehicle (UAV) program," said Tamer.

At that time, TAI conducted a wind tunnel test of the ANKA UAV at the Indonesian Low Speed Tunnel (ILST) facility belonging to the BPPT's Center for Aerodynamics, Aerospace and Aerospace Technology (BBTA3).

ANKA is an unmanned aircraft (UAV) in the Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) class developed by TAI. This test is to obtain data on the aerodynamic characteristics of the UAV.

Then, Tamer explained the second test that TAI conducted at BBTA3 for other ANKA variants including the SATCOM variant in April to May 2015.

This test is to obtain data regarding the effects of wing deformation, SAR and SATCOM, cameras, winglets, and air inlets on ANKA's aerodynamic characteristics.

Furthermore, in April and June 2015 the third full-scale testing of the wing sections of the latest generation ANKA was carried out. And the fourth test was carried out in October 2017 for all the latest generation ANKA configurations.

"The four wind tunnel tests at ILST have contributed greatly to the development of the ANKA UAV system with superior flight performance and increased safety features," admits Tamer.

Tamer emphasized that the MALE-class ANKA UAV has a combat-tested intelligence, reconnaissance, surveillance and assault system for internal security in Turkey.

"In addition, ANKA has also been tested for surveillance operations used by various end users in Turkey," added Tamer.

Tamer also said that currently ANKA is ready to serve military missions with various payload configurations required by air forces from various countries.

"ANKA already has mature experience and has flown in Turkey and other countries for anti-terrorism activities as well as land and sea surveillance," said Tamer.

Currently, TAI is also collaborating with BBTA3 for the fifth time in testing the payload capacity of the UAV system at ILST to obtain aerodynamic characteristics data for the latest drone aircraft that TAI is developing.

"We really appreciate the contribution of BPPT through BBTA3 for the success of the development of our UAV product line and this is very decisive for maintaining useful collaboration for the years to come," said Tamer.

 
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China's Wing Loong II is vastly superior to TB2. Plus Erdogan's neo Ottoman ambition is really hurting Turkey's image among Muslims.
 
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China's Wing Loong II is vastly superior to TB2. Plus Erdogan's neo Ottoman ambition is really hurting Turkey's image among Muslims.
They are different category of UCAV. I will not compare between both of them.

Smaller UCAV has their advantage of smaller RCS despite lesser range and payload.
 
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