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Turkey's sultan can fall

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He has already cheated by strangling free press.
Why would he stop cheating at the election?

As I said does it matter any more?

Orban, Matteo, Kurtz, Trump, Netanyahu, that racist chezk dude (forgot how to spell his country)

Erdogan dosent even stand out
 
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One Q. Have you been to Turkey?

Yes, but that does not matter for this discussion.

Because the West has free press does it, I'd like to see western press report on state secrets and what happens to them.

A free press? I’m a UK journalist, but the police labelled me an extremist

Free press my arse, you just use that token buzz word. No one believes it.

I am sure noone in Turkey believes there is such a thing as free press.

Journalists in the West are forcing ministers to resign all the time,
and are rarely punished for that.

That does not mean that a journalist cannot be an extremist.
The freedom of speech does not give you the right to commit crimes.
It does not give you the right to instigate violent actions.

Reporting that Turkey is cooperating with terrorists would be a state secret, and punishable.
In the US, there was official hearings regarding the Iran - Contras affair.

That is the difference between a free country and a would be dictatorship.
 
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Yes, but that does not matter for this discussion.



I am sure noone in Turkey believes there is such a thing as free press.

Journalists in the West are forcing ministers to resign all the time,
and are rarely punished for that.

That does not mean that a journalist cannot be an extremist.
The freedom of speech does not give you the right to commit crimes.
It does not give you the right to instigate violent actions.

Reporting that Turkey is cooperating with terrorists would be a state secret, and punishable.
In the US, there was official hearings regarding the Iran - Contras affair.

That is the difference between a free country and a would be dictatorship.

State secret is state secret, secret services tell you not to do it you don't do it. its black and white, hence why snowden lives in russia. And why that other Assange gut lives in an embassy. But you can spew your west is free as a butterfly crap, it's amusing.
 
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Let the Turkey citizens decide about their own future.
Have nice save and good election ...
 
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I am sure noone in Turkey believes there is such a thing as free press.

And where and when did you conduct your fvcking survey?


Journalists in the West are forcing ministers to resign all the time,
and are rarely punished for that.

Not the war crimials like bush and blair, only the small fries are used for public consumption. So, that's another of your fvcking example.


That does not mean that a journalist cannot be an extremist.
The freedom of speech does not give you the right to commit crimes.
It does not give you the right to instigate violent actions.

Your terror god fathers like netanyahu and sissy are making the list of those 'extremist' journalists, that is the problem. Yes, we also believe that freedom of speech does not give you the right to slander as trump, sissy, the UAE and KSA terror kingpins often do.


Reporting that Turkey is cooperating with terrorists would be a state secret, and punishable.
In the US, there was official hearings regarding the Iran - Contras affair.

If the the western media was so free we would have seen dily reports of the israeli WMDS. So your claim is as fvcked up as Goebbel's clams. As for cooperation with terrorists, none is on grand scale as is your cooperation with the YPG terror group. So what the fvck are you trying to say?


[/QUOTE]That is the difference between a free country and a would be dictatorship.[/QUOTE]

To scumbags sissy's Egypt qualify as free country but Turkey's democracy does not. Cut your crap, will you?
 
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Most of turks vote for erdogan even the elecoholic people because he improved the economy of turkey

Also he is not sultan he is a president who was elected by people not like MBS of the UAE rulers
 
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State secret is state secret, secret services tell you not to do it you don't do it. its black and white, hence why snowden lives in russia. And why that other Assange gut lives in an embassy. But you can spew your west is free as a butterfly crap, it's amusing.

There are valid and invalid reasons for making things a state secret.
When the government violates the law, the constitution or International Agreements,
it is not a valid reason for state secrets.
When the leaders shift government money to their own accounts, it is not a valid state secret.
 
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There are valid and invalid reasons for making things a state secret.
When the government violates the law, the constitution or International Agreements,
it is not a valid reason for state secrets.
When the leaders shift government money to their own accounts, it is not a valid state secret.


Nobody has yet put forward any credible evidence to the Turkish court that Erdogan has been doing what your buddy in Egypt has been doing unhindered by so-called 'honest' people like you.
 
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Nobody has yet put forward any credible evidence to the Turkish court that Erdogan has been doing what your buddy in Egypt has been doing unhindered by so-called 'honest' people like you.


man all the european ppl do not talk honestly they pussyfoot around the real matter

their interest is something else thats why the egytian dictator can do what he wants like burning ppl on streets.. do you think they cared about burned ppl?
 
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Yeah, Erdogan is such a dictator that there are real chances that he won't get elected in a fair election, thus he might be pushed out of power very soon. What a soft-hearted democratic dictator.

I mean I don't like some of Erdogan's foreign policies, but the western crocodile tears over 'freedom of expression' in Turkey is just ludicrous and disgusting. You guys are not fooling anyone.

You prime ally in ME is Apartheid state of Israel. Also, kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Egypt and Bahrain, all of which choose their leaders either through the "sperm mechanism" or a military coup.
 
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Yeah, Erdogan is such a dictator that there are real chances that he won't get elected in a fair election, thus he might be pushed out of power very soon. What a soft-hearted democratic dictator.

I mean I don't like some of Erdogan's foreign policies, but the western crocodile tears over 'freedom of expression' in Turkey is just ludicrous and disgusting. You guys are not fooling anyone.

You prime ally in ME is Apartheid state of Israel. Also, kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Egypt and Bahrain, all of which choose their leaders either through the "sperm mechanism" or a military coup.

Erdogan pushes ahead with mandate from the people and there's nothing autocratic about it. All indications point to his victory if there's a free and fair election. Those who hate him also know this and so they are trying to prepare the ground to make the election questionable without pointing out why the election is not going to be free and fair.
 
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Hopefully Mr. İnce will become our new president. :)

He is a great speaker and has lots of charisma. But unlike Erdogan, he actually has a university diploma! :D
 
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