Qatar doesnt give a shyt to S.Arabia
Qatar is ally with Turkey
Turkey also can destroy Russian military bases in Syria within minutes. but then ?
without The US protection tiny S.Arabia is nothing ... then attack on Turkish military base in Qatar and everybody will see what will happen with tiny S.Arabia
pathetic Arabs even dont know how to use Fighter Jets , American Pilots use S.Arabian Fighter Jets to bomb targets in Yemen
what a lie
When OBAMA backstabbed Arabs against Iran , ERDOGAN's Turkey was ally with S.Arabia against Iran until 2016
but TRUMP , Israel and The Uae destroyed good relationship between Turkey and S.Arabia
now the US and Israel uses Arabs as pawns for their interests
where is your so called Syrian Kurdistan ? only in your dreams
FETO and DAVUTOGLU doomed ERDOGAN for Syrian policy .... ERDOGAN was not smart to believe treacherous the US , the UK , France and their puppets S.Arabia , the Uae
ERDOGAN and ASSAD were good friends in 2010
but the US , the UK , France and their puppets S.Arabia , the Uae have started civil war in Syria and destroyed good relationship between ERDOGAN and ASSAD
ERDOGAN should make peace with ASSAD to kick treacherous the US , the UK , France and their puppets S.Arabia ,the Uae
and never forget that if ERDOGAN is ally with SISI in Egypt , the US - Israel would destroy SISI too
the US - Israel never wants Turks and Arabs to be allies , MB project is a lie of the US and Israel
and the US , the UK , France and their puppets S.Arabia , the Uae backstabbed Syrian People .... and Russia - Iran killed over 500.000 Arabs in Syria
still Russia and Iran are killing Arabs in Syria
Turkey is in Libya because of to protect its rights in the Eastern Mediterranean against Israel , Greece , France , Italy
but S.Arabia,the Uae and Egypt fooled by the US and Israel to be used as pawns against Turkey
With all due respect you are an Arabized and Turkified Anatolian (of unknown ethnic origins, you could be an Bosniak, Bulgarian, Albanian, Circassian, Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Assyrian and the rare 5-10% of actual Turkic people) so what the hell do you know about KSA-Qatar relations? I am only mentioning the above because it is a factual statement and because it equals me talking on behalf of Uzbeks and Kyrgyz people.
Do you even have a clue? Can you even count to 10 in Arabic? Do you even understand that Qataris and Saudi Arabians are the same people yet we don't care about each other in your head? OK.
Tiny KSA, that alone is 3 times larger than Turkey and the by far largest country in the region. OK.
I already told you that the US would never allow KSA to incorporate all the GCC countries as we would become even more powerful to such a degree that we would be controlling BY FAR most of the world's oil and gas. We all saw what happened with Saddam after the Kuwait adventure. Here Turkey plays no role in this dynamic, hence your tiny joint Qatari-Turkish base being irrelevant and you will always be sitting ducks. This is our home turf. Only the US is stronger in our immediate region like against everyone else.
Yes, that is why Saudi Arabian pilots have some of the most flight hours of all pilots in the world and why 95% + of all the bombings (very complicated given the fact that Houthis are deliberately hiding in densely populated mountainous region among civilians) have been accurate and successful.
And what had that summit to do with Turkey again? Nothing.
You are a NATO member state that is totally dependent on the West economically and on every other front that also toys the Western lie in every crucial conflict. Remember Syria? Remember Brunson? Remember the refugees? Remember the sanctions? Remember EU? So what are you blabbering about? You are no different.
You fool, no Arab GIVES a ****** crap about some 2 million Arabized Kurds in Syria. They will be crushed by Arabs like throughout history and nobody supports them.
Your failure to defeat poor Al-Assad years prior to Russian involvement despite bordering Syria next door and being heavily involved in Syria. What is left now? Some tiny area? You call that success all while your country is flooded by Arab refugees from Syria?
The MB project is not a lie. It is a fact.
It is the only way that Erdogan can gain influence in the Arab world as no Arab cares about Ataturk or Kemalism or 100 year old "Turkish nationalism" so your brilliant Erdogan got the brilliant idea to use Islamist parties/groups in the Arab world (MB), aligned with Qatar, to use as a way to gain influence in the Arab world. We see it again in Libya.
Obviously Arab regimes will see that as a threat and as a DIRECT attack, given the fact that the MB sect openly talks about toppling Arab regimes.
So the current "hostilities/disagreements" is very much your own doing (Erdogan).
You don't get it, Morsi, Sisi etc. does not matter since 1953 the EGYPTIAN MILITARY has been ruling Egypt/dominating it/its economy, institutions etc. Egypt needs to be a strong central state and the military has always had that role. Otherwise it is difficult to rule a country whose lifeline is the Nile and where only 3% of the geography can be inhabited by people and that geography is stretched thinly from North to South.
Anyway I find it unfortunate that Turkey has been ruled by populist figure like Erdogan for 20 + years and that this same Erdogan has completely failed to understand Arab dynamics and does not understand that outside meddling is unwelcome.
In any case, soon nationalists will be ruling Turkey and they hopefully won't be obsessing about Arabs as much as Erdogan and his Arab wife. Hopefully they will care more about Xinjiang and the Russian-dominated Central Asian states thus limiting our relations to mostly trade. Quite frankly we Arabs are sick and tired of outside meddling, I think that I can speak for most of the 500 + million Arabs when I say that regardless of our nationality, sect and ideology.
It is so fun to have
@MMM-E here, and so much fun to tease him when you just give him a short sentence, he would come back with a huge paragraph, let's keep him busy.
He keeps mentioning KSA in every post while we are barely involved in Libya if at all.
I also read nonsense from Turks here wanting to "cut off Arab influences" in Libya, as if Libya was not already as Arab as KSA and any other Arab country and if most of Libyans had not already tribal/clan/family origins in Arabia. Even the Libyan dialect is very close to Najdi Arabic for a reason. But, but, we must remove Arab influence from an Arab country! Libyans will adopt Kemalism, one guy was blabbering about invading Libya while wearing Ataturk symbols.
PDF is fantastic when you are down with the flue.
Algeria&Tunisia had a problem with Gaddafi and Haftar is the exact same...
Tunisia and Algeria stance is in relation to Haftar personality and future "Dreams"...
Haftar will push the region back at the time of Gaddafi... With Threats over threats to keep his base happy and their bellies full at the expense of regional peace...
He is seen also as a puppet... Actually everyone does... Including Egypt... Where themselves had a problem with him...
In the End... he is serving a purpose for a war of influence beyond the region... mostly for UAE... As EGY and KSA involvement was limited... or even almost non-existent when it comes to KSA...
I understand that some may side with him for short gains against another "front" in the West... But People have to understand that in the long term...all the region will lose... He will give his A$$ to whoever keeps him in power... he was chosen by the US back in the days for that same specific reason... Usable at will...
For Tunisia, there is another problem... Refugees... After 2011... 2 Millions of Libyans came into the country... not gonna tell you what happened with such influx and a 40$ish Bil GDP... just trying to get on his feet after the revo...
But still they were welcomed... they are Brothers after all...
But now... it could be even more than that... and adding to it Haftar "Threats" of "Invasion"/"Retaliation" even though TN still hope for a diplomatic way of ending the conflict...
Now some may say it's just talk... I, personally agree... He will not do it... Algeria will crush him in few weeks... But still... When you are in front of such "Personality" and your country is feeling the heat of what may come... you will need to make a decision... The people/the institution/the nation need an answer...
Can you tell me which party in Libya is NOT a puppet? Libya has the misfortunate of being a very large country but with very few people divided 1500 km apart or more in the West and East.
KSA involvement IS non-existent. I am not aware of any direct support to any party and both GNA and LNA leaders have been in KSA in recent years. KSA has influence all across Libya in both camps. We never really needed to invest heavily in Libya (much like Egypt) to a degree that small Qatar was doing or Turkey lately.
Contrary to popular belief, KSA is not always in agreement with what UAE is doing in Yemen, Libya and elsewhere. There will always be a natural clash between KSA and UAE in terms of how we see the Arab world. My suspicion is that UAE, being a small country itself and a federation of 7 emirates, that they would want to split the Arab world into smaller states even more, hence their role in Southern Yemen, while KSA is in favor of more strong and large Arab states hence our constant policy of wanting to keep neighboring Yemen intact, neighboring Egypt intact and neighboring Iraq intact, all 3 some of the largest Arabs states out there.
I still find it incredibly unlikely for Haftar (an aging man) to be able to threaten even Tunisia left alone Algeria. It is totally unrealistic. No Libyan faction has the power to threaten its neighbors. Remember the Chad war (fiasco)?
What I find strange is Algeria's position. I know that the French involvement is probably what is itching the Algerians (nothing worse than mentioning French imperialism in the region for the Algerian establishment) because otherwise it makes no sense geopolitically, ideologically or ally wise.
The Algerian military regime came to power after defeating the MB inspired opposition during the civil war. Algeria is the closest ally of Russia in the Arab world after Syria. They have always been pro-secular and very much anti-MB.
But I forgot one thing, the Algerian-Egyptian rivalry of late. I would not be surprised if Algeria were to support Haftar/LNA instead of GNA, if Egypt was ruled by Morsi and supporting the GNA.
What a mess, with the victims being Libyans.
That is why I always tell fellow Arabs to be united and have a strong identity in your nation state if you want to keep it intact. Such a thing would not be possible in say KSA or Egypt.
Anyway I have no doubt that our Libyan brethren will prevail and end up victories eventually like seen in every other Arab nation under duress in history.
unlike Egypt.
.... it is not that hard .
