Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

[Neuro]

Go and and grow me up, tell me how am i wrong.

That not my work.............you can't take down LTTE without India help and don't forget they had tri/four forces. From northern area of SL to Indian borders just 28 Kms . Previously anything happens simply they come and reside in TN/India at peak of war IN blocked the supply of weapons from NK. You can't compare LTTE with others they wore the uniform and fought... of course I agree they had black tigers. My point is training alone not enough to terminate them, if you given superior training means y ur army taking so much years to nullified ur home grown terrorists.

 

[Kompromat]

LTTE was an Indian proxy son.

That not my work.............you can't take down LTTE without India help and don't forget they had tri/four forces. From northern area of SL to Indian borders just 28 Kms . Previously anything happens simply they come and reside in TN/India at peak of war IN blocked the supply of weapons from NK. You can't compare LTTE with others they wore the uniform and fought... of course I agree they had black tigers. My point is training alone not enough to terminate them, if you given superior training means y ur army taking so much years to nullified ur home grown terrorists.

 

[Neuro]

LTTE was an Indian proxy son.

Haahaaaa...........it was ...till Rajiv gandhi assasination ......if India helped LTTE means nobody can't defeat them . Even they have speakers in England and Norway. EU supported them don't forget it.

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[MadDog]

Ahhh thats so sweet! BTW do they have 12+ hours/daily loadshedding too
On a side note, the love that we have for turks, saudis, afghanis, I wish we had 10% of it for Pakistanis too, among ourself!!

Kid, that was in 2009, update your self, 4-6 hrs load shedding, more power plants are opening up, Mush made a mistake of not constructing power plants, PPP was drenched in corruption, now its improving, by 2017, under CPEC projects, 10,000MW extra electricity will be produced, thereby finishing the load shedding, your disrespectful attitude towards your own country clearly suggests you are one of the PTI fan boys !!!

 

[A2Z]

Turkey is more advance and can buy anything they want so the question is what kind of help they are asking I quess not advance technology that Pakistan is hiding if they want it will be men power but turkey got that too it's just a symbolic gesture nothing much and did any tom dick and Harry put their son to fight for Pakistan against its enemy providing some logistic and machine is not help when it come to protect your brother

The answer to your query has been given by Horus in #189.

 

[Woody Nerd]

@Horus

As i said, Turkey will get everything it wants from us. Perhaps we can work closely with MiT through a joint desk with ISI's analysts embedded on both countries, dedicated to analyzing threats to Turkish security and laying out recommendations for the Turkish govt to take appropriate action. Pakistan takes Turkish security as its own.

The question is, does Turkey deserve our help? As i get it, Turks are fighting PKK whom China supports, and PKK is fighting ISIS in Iraq. Helping Turkey will counter Chinese and Russian interests in the region, and thus deteriorate our relation with Russians and Chiinese?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Turkey has been fighting an insurgency for the last thirty years!!! Do they need our help??? Sounds a bit strange to me unless there is another dimension to this.

Turks are fiercely nationalists and take extreme pride in doing things the "Turkish" way. Asking for material help from Pakistan is a non starter. They have access to more modern technology and equipment then we do.

We have experience in fighting an insurgency in mountainous terrain. IMO this expertise dove tails with their operations against PKK in south east Turkey against PKK in almost the same sort of terrain.

Most probably, PA will be in an advisory capacity or our advisers will be embedded with their units in operations aginst PKK maybe out of Hakkari (Commando/Mountain Warfare Brigade HQ) -- 7th Corps Area.

 

[Neptune]

Turkey has been fighting an insurgency for the last thirty years!!! Do they need our help??? Sounds a bit strange to me unless there is another dimension to this.

Turks are fiercely nationalists and take extreme pride in doing things the "Turkish" way. Asking for material help from Pakistan is a non starter. They have access to more modern technology and equipment then we do.

We have experience in fighting an insurgency in mountainous terrain. IMO this expertise dove tails with their operations against PKK in south east Turkey against PKK in almost the same sort of terrain.

Most probably, PA will be in an advisory capacity or our advisers will be embedded with their units in operations aginst PKK maybe out of Hakkari (Commando/Mountain Warfare Brigade HQ) -- 7th Corps Area.

Bro, Hakkari Commando & Mountain Brigade is just one of 6-7 commando brigades. So I doubt any help will have jurisdiction over the 7th's AO. It'll have larger scale IMO.

 

[Lavrentiy]

To hell with these ummah brothers. Did Turkey or any Arab country militarily help us against India or TTP? NONE!!!!!!!! So we are not bound to help them.

ISIS is a monster created by the GCC and Turkey which has now started to bite the hand that fed it. We made this mistake in Afghanistan and we paid and continue to pay a heavy price.
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To all the Arab-Turkey fanboys/fangirls .................. Please go to the middle east yourselves rather than asking Pakistani armed forces.

Saudis have always stood by you after sanctions it was Saudis who gave you money as for expatriates they treat every one badly. Pissing of KSA will only bring havoc and chaos we have to help both Turkey or KSA or can say goodbye to all our allies for ever. @Hyperion

Why are you sitting here then?

Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and give a nice oily massage to their Royal family.

 

[Neptune]

To hell with these ummah brothers. Did Turkey or any Arab country militarily help us against India or TTP? NONE!!!!!!!! So we are not bound to help them.

ISIS is a monster created by the GCC and Turkey which has now started to bite the hand that fed it. We made this mistake in Afghanistan and we paid and continue to pay a heavy price.
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To all the Arab-Turkey fanboys/fangirls .................. Please go to the middle east yourselves rather than asking Pakistani armed forces.


Why are you sitting here then?

Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and give a nice oily massage to their Royal family.

Read a bit history, then you are free to please yourself..

 

[New World]

@Horus
The question is, does Turkey deserve our help? As i get it, Turks are fighting PKK whom China supports, and PKK is fighting ISIS in Iraq. Helping Turkey will counter Chinese and Russian interests in the region, and thus deteriorate our relation with Russians and Chiinese?

no it will not deteriorate our relation with China and Russia.. We are helping Turkey with it's internal matter like we helped Sri Lanka..
Example.. Turkey is supporting ETIM which are creating unrest in china and they have camps in our Tribal Areas and in Afghanistan, So we are hitting ETIM directly and that ETIM is not creating any hurdle in our relations with Turkey..

To hell with these ummah brothers. Did Turkey or any Arab country militarily help us against India or TTP? NONE!!!!!!!! So we are not bound to help them.
ISIS is a monster created by the GCC and Turkey which has now started to bite the hand that fed it. We made this mistake in Afghanistan and we paid and continue to pay a heavy price.
Why are you sitting here then?
Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and give a nice oily massage to their Royal family.

in 1965 and 71 war with india turkey and GCC countries sent their fighter jets in Pakistan which was in fighting, our fighter planes were landing Iran for refuel and rearmament, they sent hundreds of tons of ammunition to Pakistan during war and they also sent their medical staff here to treat our Soldiers..

 

[Lavrentiy]

no it will not deteriorate our relation with China and Russia.. We are helping Turkey with it's internal matter like we helped Sri Lanka..
Example.. Turkey is supporting ETIM which are creating unrest in china and they have camps in our Tribal Areas and in Afghanistan, So we are hitting ETIM directly and that ETIM is not creating any hurdle in our relations with Turkey..



in 1965 and 71 war with india turkey and GCC countries sent their fighter jets in Pakistan which was in fighting, our fighter planes were landing Iran for refuel and rearmament, they sent hundreds of tons of ammunition to Pakistan during war and they also sent their medical staff here to treat our Soldiers..

65 and 71 are way too in the past to have any significance in the current fluid world. Diplomacy doesn't run that far in the past.

 

[New World]

65 and 71 are way too in the past to have any significance in the current fluid world. Diplomacy doesn't run that far in the past.

in 80's during Afghan war they stand with us,
in 90's in post afghan war they stand with us,
in 98 they stand with us after nuclear test,
in 02 they stand with us during standoff with india,
in 08 they stand with us during 2nd standoff with india,
in 09 they sent ammunition and other important vehicle for operation in swat etc.
in 11 they stand with us after OBL and ramond davis scene,
GCC countries are providing OiL as discounted rate..

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Bro, Hakkari Commando & Mountain Brigade is just one of 6-7 commando brigades. So I doubt any help will have jurisdiction over the 7th's AO. It'll have larger scale IMO.

I'm sure there are Bro. Any idea how we can help you all in insurgency and ISIS?

 

[Neptune]

I'm sure there are Bro. Any idea how we can help you all in insurgency and ISIS?

Advisory, planning, S2 and the knowledge of SSG in this regard. But these are a Turkish perspective, it may not be objective.