Turkey and Hungary should be suspended from NATO

[Azadkashmir]

erdogan should circumcise all NATO countries leaders.

 

[Foinikas]

Ukraine is not NATO Member

Turks will do what we wants ... its not our war

What's useless Greece doing for NATO against Russia right now?
Greek oil tankers continued to transport Russian oil as the war in Ukraine rages

It's not your war,but you're in NATO and NATO has decided to go against Russia and you say you're a vital member of NATO,but you're doing little to help.

keep dreaming with silly news ..
reality is different from your fantasy world
go and play computer game silly little boys

You have to realize that you are the one sleeping here.

If NATO countries remove all bases from Turkey,kick Turks out of programs,stop sharing information with Turkey and become hostile,then you can say all you want "we're not leaving NATO". It's like going to a party,getting locked in a room all alone and saying "I'M IN THE PARTY,YOU CAN'T KICK ME OUT".

Retard.

erdogan should circumcise all NATO countries leaders.

Educated opinion?

 

[zectech]

Erdogan's Turkey has also begun to tire its traditional allies, such as the US and Germany. The argument that Turkey is big and should not be lost, I think belongs to the past.
Things have changed geopolitically.
E.g. the Dardanelles Straits as a unique communication hub is now a factor of the past, since the Eastern Balkans and the Aegean have changed it.
The size of the army also no longer plays its role, as has been shown not only in Ukraine, but in Afghanistan and Syria. Information, education, technology and alliances play a bigger role.

Erdogan's (and Orban ) behavior raises doubts about how Turkey will act in the event of an attack by Russia on a NATO member, as Article 5 of the alliance for collective defense, which is essentially its "heart", depends on the unanimous vote of its members.
What would Erdogan and Orban do?
You see, the problem is not Turkey or Hungary, but their current authoritarian leaders.

Erdogan is used by the zionists for their goals.

Netanyahu wants chaos in Syria. Erdogan delivers.

Netanyahu: Israel has no problem with Assad, agreements must be upheld

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www.haaretz.com

Israel does not want Assad gone and a strong unified Syria with strong military on their borders. Israel wants Assad to stay with a crippled Syria with Assad.

Netanyahu wants Turkey/Turkish backed rebels in Syria causing division and Iran out of Syria.

Erdogan is used by the zionists in Libya. Libyan oil and gas cannot give more supply to Europe so long as Turkey is destroying Libya in a civil war supporting terrorists and rebels.

Erdogan is not only causing chaos in Libya, Erdo is causing chaos in Europe.

Erdogan's Libya invasion threatens the European Union

It has been six months since Turkey entered the fray in war-torn Libya. In early January, the Turkish parliament, at the behest of President Recep Tayyip

english.alarabiya.net

With more refugees and less supply oil for Europe.

So the Putin/Trump terrorists want Erdogan to weaken the EU. And Netanyahu wants Erdo to weaken and divide Syria.

Erdogan the anti-zionist is a fraud. Erdo is being used for Moscow, Israeli and Washington goals to weaken rivals of the Entente (Russia, US, UK) - the EU and Syria.

 

[hyperman]

More Comedy posted from the "Washington Examiner" this isn't a real newspaper, its basically a fringe blog. lol

Greece should be suspended for laundering Russian money in Cyprus and not sending Leopard tanks.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

We dont care about losers

There is no mechanism to kick any member out of NATO
No one can force Turkiye to leave NATO ,if Turkiye doesn't want it.

But there is a back door option.

US & EU could create a new NATO and dissolve existing NATO.

 

[hyperman]

But there is a back door option.

US & EU could create a new NATO and dissolve existing NATO.

Its not going to happen, these people they only chirp on the internet, its not a serious discussion for technocrats and policy makers. For one thing, you would face significant pushback from existing members, some for the precedent being set(Poland and a few countries, wary that whatever used against Hungary or whatever else country can be used against them), secondly you have countries that have very close relations with Turkey also objecting(Albania, Macedonia, etc).

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Its not going to happen, these people they only chirp on the internet, its not a serious discussion for technocrats and policy makers. For one thing, you would face significant pushback from existing members, some for the precedent being set(Poland and a few countries, wary that whatever used against Hungary or whatever else country can be used against them), secondly you have countries that have very close relations with Turkey also objecting(Albania, Macedonia, etc).

If US is serious they can create a new NATO leaving out countries like Turkiye & France and dissolving/ignoring NATO.

This is what US did to kick India out by replacing Quad with AUKUS.

 

[Hold the door]

We will leave NATO when the time comes, but we still have a long way to go. After the second world war, NATO was an obligation against Soviet expansionism. When the time comes, it will be an obligation to leave NATO. For now, we are very weak both economically and politically.

 

[MMM-E]

It's not your war,but you're in NATO and NATO has decided to go against Russia and you say you're a vital member of NATO,but you're doing little to help.

Ukraine is not a NATO Member ... and its not NATO's war

Turkiye build ADA class Corvettes for Ukraine
Turkiye gave TB-2 UCAVs , MRAPs , TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS to Ukraine
Turkiye doesnt recognize Crimea as Russian territory
Turkiye closed Bosphorus against Russian Warships

We are not stupid to lose Russia for American-European interests and dreams
There are very important strategic project with Russia
and Turkiye-Turkish economy under attack by USA-France their terrorists PKK/YPG , FETO since 2013

USA has allies ,, The EU help each others .. but Turkiye is alone
We need to implement a balance policy with Russia

 

[PradoTLC]

In order to be credible, a defensive military alliance requires the common confidence of its members that, should one member be attacked, other members will provide it with decisive support. Whatever other interests they may have with the United States and its NATO allies, it is now obvious that Turkey and Hungary cannot fulfill this expectation. Both nations should be suspended from the alliance, writes Tom Rogan in an article in the Washington Examiner.
Remarks, tha the most immediate cause for Turkey's suspension is its obstruction of Finland and Sweden in their effort to join NATO.

Neither Orban nor Erdogan is "strengthening their free institutions" as article 2 mention. On the contrary, both leaders have expanded state media dominance at the expense of truly free discourse. Both have cracked down on dissenting minority voices, politicians and activists, and nongovernmental organizations. Erdogan has thrown hundreds of journalists in prison, some simply because he says they insulted him.

Under Article 3, a member commits to "maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack." Erdogan has shredded this commitment with his purchase of Russia's S-400 air defense system, which is specifically designed to destroy NATO air forces. Doing so, Erdogan weakened NATO's credibility and endangered its aircrews. Orban has shredded this commitment with his embrace of Russian intelligence activity and his undermining of European sanctions imposed on Russia. Those sanctions support NATO security by imposing costs for Putin's aggression in Ukraine and thus deterring the Russian leader's further aggression.

Under Article 8, a member "undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty."
Turkey has broken this pledge with the aforementioned S-400 purchase and Erdogan's demand that Sweden abandon its free speech laws and extradite people without regard for due process. Of equal note are Erdogan's threats toward fellow NATO member Greece, his wars of conquest in Syria, and his military support of Azerbaijan against Armenia. Yes, Turkey has legitimate grievances with regard to Kurdish terrorist groups in Iraq and Syria. But Erdogan's fetish for indiscriminate bombings is unacceptable.
Hungary has broken this pledge with its undermining of European sanctions and Orban's service as Xi and Putin's viceroy/servant boy within NATO and the European Union.

more in .....

Turkey and Hungary should be suspended from NATO - Washington Examiner

In order to be credible, a defensive military alliance requires the common confidence of its members that, should one member be attacked, other members will provide it with decisive support. Whatever other interests they may have with the United States and its NATO allies, it is now obvious that...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

fat chance

turkey is too important

 

[Foinikas]

fat chance

turkey is too important

Turkey has been pissing off the entire Alliance for the last 10 years.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Not worth it to lose Turkey and take on a liability like Sweden who have nothing to bring to the table. Their inclusion will only increase the risk of WW3.

well incidentally Sweden can offer more than 90% of NATO members from both Industrial and military stand point

 

[PradoTLC]

Turkey has been pissing off the entire Alliance for the last 10 years.

and yet it is still there ?

 

[MMM-E]

You have to realize that you are the one sleeping here.

If NATO countries remove all bases from Turkey,kick Turks out of programs,stop sharing information with Turkey and become hostile,then you can say all you want "we're not leaving NATO". It's like going to a party,getting locked in a room all alone and saying "I'M IN THE PARTY,YOU CAN'T KICK ME OUT".

You are still dreaming


1 -- We dont need NATO Forces in Turkiye
even We kicked German Forces out off Incirlik ..
and Americans are happy to be at Incirlik Air Base
USA soldiers at İncirlik base step into city after 12 years

US soldiers at İncirlik base step into city after 12 years - Türkiye News

The U.S. personnel working at İncirlik Air Base in the southern province of Adana are now allowed to leave the base with permission given after the 12-year ban, which revived the economy in the region.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

NATO needs Turkiye
NATO's integrated Air Defense will fall without Turkiye

Turkish KURECIK Base hosts AN-TPY2 Early warning Radar to protect Europe from Russian and Iranian Ballistic Missiles



2 -- USA kicked Turkiye out F35 program .. so what ?
Turkiye develops its own TFX project
and UK is working with Turkiye for the TFX

Never forget that .. The world does not revolve around NATO
Russia offers Turkiye turbofan Engine , Fighter Jet , Submarine , Space and Nuclear technologies


3 -- USA,France fighting Turkiye via proxies since 2013

Still NATO works with Turkiye

Looking at the map is enough to see Turkey’s importance: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg​

Looking at the map is enough to see Turkey’s importance: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg - Türkiye News

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has reiterated Turkey’s importance to the joint defense of the alliance, saying a look at the map is enough to recognize the country’s value, amid rising criticism of Turkish actions in the media and in Western capitals.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

A few losers can not change the reality
USA-UK are not stupid to lose Turkiye to Russia

 

[Maira La]

Strategically Turkey is far more important for NATO than Sweden. Sweden is just bonus, good to have but NATO can still co-operate with a non-member Sweden as needed.