Turkey All But Gives Up On F-35 Jet Deal, Seeks Alternatives

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Turkey All But Gives Up On F-35 Jet Deal, Seeks Alternatives
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10:24 AM, January 4, 2020

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Turkey has all but given up on rescuing its deal for 100 F-35 fighter jets with the United States, and instead is seeking alternatives to the American jets besides improving its defensive capabilities.

With the new U.S. National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in effect, it is highly likely that Turkey will not be able to receive its fifth-gen F-35 multirole stealth aircraft in the foreseeable future, according to an article by Dr. Can Kasapoglu of EDAM, an Istanbul based think tank.

The remaining 5th-generation airpower project, the MMU (Milli Muharip Ucak – the national combat aircraft), in cooperation with the British BAE systems, could start equipping the air force with combat-ready squadrons as early as the 2030s.

The article makes no mention of Turkey’s plans to acquire the Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter jet despite Turkish President Erdogan getting a tour of the aircraft and various officials on both sides stating that buying the Su-57 was on the table for Istanbul.

Currently, “the Turkish Air Force operates the 4th-generation F-16s as the backbone of its doctrinal order of battle. Thus, in the 2020s, Turkey would need a feasible stopgap, either through an interim 4.5th-generation solution or a comprehensive F-16 modernization. An alternative way forward could be boosting the SAM (surface to air missile) capabilities to foster anti-access / area denial (A2/AD) posture while delegating air-ground missions in permissive operational environments to light attack aircraft (Armed Hurkus) and to UAVs with higher payloads and advanced sensors,” the article reads.

Still, none of these alternatives would compensate for the deep-strike and network-centric warfare capabilities offered by the F-35, the article notes. With the U.S. NDAA in effect, and considering the risk posed by the CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) sanctions a critical possibility, Ankara has to augment and diversify its international defense ties.

In addition to the US refusing to sell the F-35 and holding up funds invested by Ankara to buy the aircraft, Turkey could also suffer US denial if it seeks to upgrade its F-16 jets to the most modern Block 70 standard.

Capable partners remain vital for Turkey, the article said adding that the burgeoning military cooperation with Ukraine, especially in view of the success of active protection systems development for armored platforms’ survivability against anti-tank guided missiles, sets a good example in this respect.


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Turkey All But Gives Up On F-35 Jet Deal, Seeks Alternatives
Our Bureau

10:24 AM, January 4, 2020

1707

Turkey has all but given up on rescuing its deal for 100 F-35 fighter jets with the United States, and instead is seeking alternatives to the American jets besides improving its defensive capabilities.

With the new U.S. National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in effect, it is highly likely that Turkey will not be able to receive its fifth-gen F-35 multirole stealth aircraft in the foreseeable future, according to an article by Dr. Can Kasapoglu of EDAM, an Istanbul based think tank.

The remaining 5th-generation airpower project, the MMU (Milli Muharip Ucak – the national combat aircraft), in cooperation with the British BAE systems, could start equipping the air force with combat-ready squadrons as early as the 2030s.

The article makes no mention of Turkey’s plans to acquire the Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter jet despite Turkish President Erdogan getting a tour of the aircraft and various officials on both sides stating that buying the Su-57 was on the table for Istanbul.

Currently, “the Turkish Air Force operates the 4th-generation F-16s as the backbone of its doctrinal order of battle. Thus, in the 2020s, Turkey would need a feasible stopgap, either through an interim 4.5th-generation solution or a comprehensive F-16 modernization. An alternative way forward could be boosting the SAM (surface to air missile) capabilities to foster anti-access / area denial (A2/AD) posture while delegating air-ground missions in permissive operational environments to light attack aircraft (Armed Hurkus) and to UAVs with higher payloads and advanced sensors,” the article reads.

Still, none of these alternatives would compensate for the deep-strike and network-centric warfare capabilities offered by the F-35, the article notes. With the U.S. NDAA in effect, and considering the risk posed by the CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) sanctions a critical possibility, Ankara has to augment and diversify its international defense ties.

In addition to the US refusing to sell the F-35 and holding up funds invested by Ankara to buy the aircraft, Turkey could also suffer US denial if it seeks to upgrade its F-16 jets to the most modern Block 70 standard.

Capable partners remain vital for Turkey, the article said adding that the burgeoning military cooperation with Ukraine, especially in view of the success of active protection systems development for armored platforms’ survivability against anti-tank guided missiles, sets a good example in this respect.


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Hope its worth it. F-35 is state of the art and with no alternative.

 

[MMM-E]

Hope its worth it. F-35 is state of the art and with no alternative.

American control F-35 is useless
F-35 is flying computer and without American permission Turkish F-35s even can not take off


Russia can not attack on NATO member Turkey
230 F-16s are enough for Iranian Airforce

Greece,France,Israel and Egypt vs TURKEY in the Eastern Mediterranean

Israeli Airforce can use F-35s against Turkey but Turkish Airforce can not use F-35s against Israel

-- The MDL ( Mission data loads ) has to be loaded into the F-35’s onboard computer before each mission and has to be updated after each mission

-- All F-35s including those from partner countries must update their mission files and ALIS ( Autonomic Logistics Information System ) profiles before and after each flight

Only the US is currently capable of programming the MDL and ALIS for all F-35s



since 2013 evangelist-zionist American Senate , CIA and PENTAGON attack on Turkey for Israeli interests


İf the US block delivery of F35s to Turkey , then its ok


Turkey should buy more 4 batteries S400 Air Defense Systems for $2,5 billion
to modernize F-16s with AESA Radar for $1,5 billion
and to spend $6 billion for developing the TF-X national 5th gen Fighter Jet until 2030 , instead of buying 100 useless F-35s for $10 billion until 2030

 

[Beast]

Hope its worth it. F-35 is state of the art and with no alternative.

The propulsion is state of art of vertical take off and landing are a massive advantage but the sensor are not sole state of art.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Su-35 is short term solution. Su-57 is long term solution.

 

[OldTwilight]

Russia can not attack on NATO member Turkey
230 F-16s are enough for Iranian Airforce

from where you include both Iran and Russian in this !?

and no sir , we have limited border with Turkey which mean 230 F16s wont survive passing our air defense and our air force if we concentrate our resource in border with Turkey ... specially with their limited range and the probability of attacking your air field in east of Anatoly

 

[Lincoln]

Not true. I know it for a fact.

 

[MMM-E]

from where you enter both Iran and Russian in there !?

Its possibility

and no sir , we have limited border with Turkey which mean 230 F16s wont survive passing our air defense and our air force if we concentrate our resource in border with Turkey ... specially with their limited range and the probability of attacking your air field in east of Anatoly

Turkish F-16s have enough combat radius for Iran ... also Turkish Airforce has 7 Boeing KC-135 air refueling Tankers

Iranian Air Defense Systems will be jammed state of the art Airborne stand off Jammer Aircrafts

also Iranian Air Defense Systems can not engage on Turkish F-16s which equipped SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite and 500 km SOM-ER stealth Cruise Missiles with Turkish KTJ-3200 turbojet engine

also Turkish F-16 pilots will control 100 kg GOKSUNGUR supersonic Drones to be target as F-16 Fighter Jets against Iranian Air Defense Systems

also Turkey develops MIUS supersonic stealth UCAV armed with SOM Cruise Missile for SEAD role

so Iranian Air Defense Systems will try to intercept SOM-ER stealth Cruise Missiles and GOKSUNGUR supersonic Drones ..... also 1.000+ km KARGI anti radiation Drones


btw Turkey also owns long range Ballistic and Cruise Missiles for attacking your air defense systems , air field in Iran including Tehran

-- 800 1.400 km GEZGIN land/naval based Cruise Missiles
-- 1.000+ km BORA Ballistic Missile


better Turkey and Iran not to fight each others

 

[OldTwilight]

Its possibility




Turkish F-16s have enough combat radius for Iran ... also Turkish Airforce has 7 Boeing KC-135 air refueling Tankers

Iranian Air Defense Systems will be jammed state of the art Airborne stand off Jammer Aircrafts

also Iranian Air Defense Systems can not engage on Turkish F-16s which equipped SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite and 500 km SOM-ER stealth Cruise Missiles with Turkish KTJ-3200 turbojet engine

also Turkish F-16 pilots will control 100 kg GOKSUNGUR supersonic Drones to be target as F-16 Fighter Jets against Iranian Air Defense Systems

also Turkey develops MIUS supersonic stealth UCAV armed with SOM Cruise Missile for SEAD role

so Iranian Air Defense Systems will try to intercept SOM-ER stealth Cruise Missiles and GOKSUNGUR supersonic Drones ..... also 1.000+ km KARGI anti radiation Drones


btw Turkey also owns long range Ballistic and Cruise Missiles for attacking your air defense systems , air field in Iran including Tehran

-- 800 1.400 km GEZGIN land/naval based Cruise Missiles
-- 1.000+ km BORA Ballistic Missile


better Turkey and Iran not to fight each others

Ah , how many times I read this kind of story in military forums , blogs and website ....

As programmer I can say your story is just " Happy Path " ....

 

[MMM-E]

Ah , how many times I read this kind of story in military forums , blogs and website ....

As programmer I can say your story is just " Happy Path " ....

then what about your outdated Armed Forces ? " cheap propaganda " as like QAHER 313

You can keeping match with Arabs who can not develop even Cruise Missile

Turkish Defense Industry is more than a match for Iran

 

[OldTwilight]

then what about your outdated Armed Forces ? " cheap propaganda " as like QAHER 313

You can keeping match with Arabs who can not develop even Cruise Missile

Turkish Defense Industry is more than a match for Iran

Yeah , you are super power , after you deal with Egypt , then come and talk

 

[MMM-E]

Yeah , you are super power , after you deal with Egypt , then come and talk

Egypt ? We dont deal with pathetic puppets

 

[Lincoln]

Hope its worth it. F-35 is state of the art and with no alternative.

It's worth it. The main reason Turkey is sacrificing the F-35 for S-400 is because Turkey wants to quickly become self reliant in defence procurements.

I have talked, and how much the US has held Turkey back from going into innovation and becoming self reliant in defence production, on the pretext of US supplying "all the defence products Turkey needs," is astonishing.

The major defining factor is that the Russians are willing for a Transfer of Technology for the system and its missiles, the Americans are not. That's better because it accelerates Turkey's path to self reliancy.

As for this article, it's bad. Turkey still hasn't gave up on hope of F-35, not yet.

 

[libertad]

If i true its a blessing in disguise.

 

[OldTwilight]

Egypt ? We dont deal with pathetic puppets

So , as time passes , Haftar troops slowly but steadily advance against your support troops and push them back to sea ....