TTP managed Charsadda attack from Afghanistan: COAS

[koolio]

I am really happy to see the trench and walls being constructed, that will surely go a long way stopping in terrorists crossing over and staging attacks, 100% fool proof border control is never going to happen, in the long term it will minimise evil monsters that cross over and are hell bent in killing children.

 

[CENTCOM]

The importance of mutual cooperation between Afghanistan and Pakistan has been acknowledged by the officials from both sides on many occasions. The common enemies have been able to take advantage of the long and rugged terrain shared between the neighboring countries to conduct their terrorist activities inside both countries. The recent attack on the Bacha Khan University again highlights the danger that presides at the hands of these terrorists. To make matters worse, the Taliban faction behind the Bacha Khan University massacre in Charsadda reportedly issued a video message vowing to target schools throughout the country.“We will continue to attack schools, colleges and universities across Pakistan as these are the foundations that produce apostates. We will target and demolish the foundations.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1032278...attackers-vow-to-target-schools-in-new-video/

The U.S., Pakistan and Afghanistan have made many sacrifices in trying to restore peace and stabilize the Afghanistan and Pakistan region. All differences aside, it is in the best interest of our nations to eradicate terrorism from the region. The leaders from Afghanistan and Pakistan in their recent meetings vowed to work together to negate the common threat.

We repeat what White House press secretary Josh Earnest said:

“The conclusion that we’ve drawn here is…that the Taliban poses a security threat to both countries, and that the nations of Afghanistan and Pakistan are going to be able to more effectively confront that threat if they’re able to more effectively cooperate.”

Ali Khan
Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM

 

[saiyan0321]

It's not going to be even close to 100% and it'll be extremely difficult constructing it across the "entire border", especially in terrain like this:

Yes but as I mentioned it's a step on the right direction... Think of it as a long road and we have just taken the first step on that road. There are no magic wand solutions and it will take a long long long time till we can say we have secured ( doesn't mean a hundred percent wall buy majority of the area walled and checked with constant expansion) the border...

As I said I am very happy to hear that we are walking in the right direction and what I expect is constant expansion of this project.

 

[Peshwa]

Agree, but ask yourself this, which terrorist get's their guns from your friendly neighbourhood gun shop?

Ask yourself this as well..If I were a young radical and I had a bone to pick with a blashphemous individual, How would I get my hands on a gun? You are ignoring the fact that
a. These guns give the average joe, the means to vent their frustration, form militias etc
b. breeds gun makers...so these same individuals who sell might be making these for terrorists...

I do realize that ISI and PA have a better handle on this than I do, but just making a general observation.

You are on a defence forum, I hope you understand that. However to satisfy your curiosity there have been plenty of good threads on the subject:
Illegal arms in Pakistan and police actions | news and updates
Deweaponisation bill: Weapon-free Pakistan?
Kalashnikov & Pakistan
Weaponisation of Pakistan
Smuggled NATO weapons in Pakistan
Aware me on Gun ownership policy in Pakistan
Years of the gun: A political history of the AK-47 in Pakistan
Worlds biggest illegale Gun market in Pakistan

Take your pick

I wouldnt call these "good threads" sir..
I went through most of these..
None of these threads have lasted for more than 3-4 pages, concerning a handful of Pakistanis of the liberal western kind. ...I would hardly call that a debate/
I still see very few opposing guns on this forum..Most think its a birth right and part of the martial culture of Pakistan...Which might be true, but that needs to change is my opinion..thats all.

Yeah..... About that, your friends are not the average Pakistani are they? Armed convoy, bodyguards? Average salary for lower middle class man is 15/25000 PKR PM, Average cost of a decent armed guard: 15,000 PKR PM. Are you going to compare the cartel to all Columbians? See where I am going with this?

No I hear ya...and which is why I made it a point to note that my friends might not be the best sample here...
But the stories ive heard are true...
Also, to be noted is the appearance of AKs in weddings and celebrations in the countryside of Pakistan..How are these people getting guns then if not for these illegal markets?

I suppose those are pea shooters in their holsters "right"?

My dear friend, did you happen to notice those little badges hung accross the chest?
Those are licenses...clearly these armed body gurads are sanctioned by the state..Mostly ex-cops, private security agencies (growing business but legal)..we are not talking about these.

The anecdotes I mentioned have to do with the Pathan who watches your door, most of whom hardly have a training, let alone a license to use the weapon wielding them in public..

Anyways, I do get your general argument..I simply stated that if I had to start somewhere..making it harder for terrorists to get guns is where I would start
and given the fact that there is foreign funding available and a semi-ruled country like Afgh next door, the importance of taking the home grown option away becomes even more impreritive.

 

[That Guy]

How about starting with something as simple as gun control?!
Make it harder for every tom dick and harry to just walk up to the gun market in Peshawar and buy an AK...

Not saying that India is a role model for this, but the insurgencies in India have remained largely impotent because of lack of availability of guns, whether legally or in the grey market...

Something to think about...

It's extremely hard to buy a weapon legally in Pakistan. The big problem is that most of the weapons are sold underground, and while a lot of illegal sellers have been shut down, the flow of weapons from Afghanistan is extremely difficult to plug up. The gun culture that was imported from Afghanistan, has made it politically and militarily difficult to completely take guns off the streets.

OK lets chalk up TTP/Afghan Taliban etc to European Colonialism.
What about characters such as that (Qadri?) guy that killed your governor. Or the villagers that burned that Christian couple alive or the Blasphemy supporters .. or the TV cleric that makes anti-Ahmaddiya statements everyday?
Islam has a long 1400 yr history of wiping out any difference of opinion / change of view.... this is the big problem that the world faces today. I am typing this from Venezuela where the Inflation rate clocked at 141% this year and the poverty is mind boggling... It is still more civilized and next year when inflation hits 720% it'll be relatively better that ANY I repeat ANY muslim country in the world. (one possible exception Turkey although not sure how long that would last. )

Pakistan is in a state of war, extremists thrive in warring states. Your point is moot.

Qadri was sentenced to death, the mobs that target minorities are now quickly shut down. The TV clerics that spout nonsense are also shut down now, due to NAP.

You know nothing about the history of Islam, and your concept of "civilization" is bordering on fascism. You ignore that the golden age of Islam, thinkers, scientists, philosophers from all over the world migrated to Muslim territory. Minorities had more rights in Islamic territories than they did under European rule. 1400 years? You can't even get the facts of a single day right.

My point is, your comment is nonsense.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Trust me I am much your senior, Junior!


Been there have you? How many years uniformed service?


You should have bothered to click on the 3rd and 4th links then....



Lol, where did I copy and paste, is there a comprehension problem here?

SON, your intellect is no better then my 12 year old boy.

How old are you btw? 40 ? 50?

As I said, I dont have time for silly games. just bring forth your arguments and we will talk. Remember, you first put forth you argument and then post links to support your claims. You dont even have made one, all I am hearing are silly rants.

Go and check the history of our exchanges, then come back to me so I can educate you further.