Truth about Indian occupied Kashmir
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what the hell are you talking about? why do you always speak in a language none of us can understand? stop trying to speak english, you're only embarrassing
yourself.
you know, UnitedPak and I tried to keep the discussion earlier in kashmir. however, in frustration you brought up the other provinces. we still kept at kashmir, even though we could go into the movements in India.
as you said before, "And one can add juicy spicy stuff, as you have posted"
let me add Assam, Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, Khalistan, jihadi groups i can't even think off the top of my head, Naxalites, Maoists, etc.
here are the groups in North East India alone:
Assam:
The United Liberation Front of Asom.
The National Democratic Front of Bodoland.
Manipur:
The People's Liberation Army.
The United National Liberation Front.
The People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak.
The Kangleipak Communist Party.
The Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup.
The Manipur People's Liberation Front.
The Revolutionary People's Front.
Meghalaya:
The Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council.
The Achik National Volunteer Council.
Nagaland:
The National Socialist Council of Nagaland including all factions.
Tripura:
The All Tripura Tiger Force.
The National Liberation Front of Tripura.
Let's check out Khalistan a bit, shall we? you question the loyalties of the pakhtuns, yet you seem to forget the "dhamaka" of the loyal and brave Sikhs in Amristar?
your army managed to blow a hole in the mecca of the sikh religion, the Golden Temple, it can't get any worse than that!
khalistan even had its own temporary currency, as compared to the weak balochistan govt. in exile that runs a crappy blog!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Khalistanollars.jpg
let's not even get into Jihadi groups
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Dear asaad-ul-islam,
1. This forum apparently is using English as its vehicle for communication.
I am not embarrassing myself.
You are embarrassingly yourself. You are indicating that you do not understand English.
2. Open a thread on all those organisation you have mentioned and let's debate, what ho?
Jana,
Note that I did not have to prove the issue.
Assad has done it on my behalf!!
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what the hell are you talking about? why do you always speak in a language none of us can understand? stop trying to speak english, you're only embarrassing
yourself.
you know, UnitedPak and I tried to keep the discussion earlier in kashmir. however, in frustration you brought up the other provinces. we still kept at kashmir, even though we could go into the movements in India.
as you said before, "And one can add juicy spicy stuff, as you have posted"
let me add Assam, Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland, Tripura, Khalistan, jihadi groups i can't even think off the top of my head, Naxalites, Maoists, etc.
here are the groups in North East India alone:
Assam:
The United Liberation Front of Asom.
The National Democratic Front of Bodoland.
Manipur:
The People's Liberation Army.
The United National Liberation Front.
The People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak.
The Kangleipak Communist Party.
The Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup.
The Manipur People's Liberation Front.
The Revolutionary People's Front.
Meghalaya:
The Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council.
The Achik National Volunteer Council.
Nagaland:
The National Socialist Council of Nagaland including all factions.
Tripura:
The All Tripura Tiger Force.
The National Liberation Front of Tripura.
Let's check out Khalistan a bit, shall we? you question the loyalties of the pakhtuns, yet you seem to forget the "dhamaka" of the loyal and brave Sikhs in Amristar?
your army managed to blow a hole in the mecca of the sikh religion, the Golden Temple, it can't get any worse than that!
khalistan even had its own temporary currency, as compared to the weak balochistan govt. in exile that runs a crappy blog!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Khalistanollars.jpg
let's not even get into Jihadi groups
Thnx Asad I was looking for these...
Dear salim again I will say the same thing that acting like a pigeon and closing your eyes from the truth will not change it so please accept that all those mentioned above do exist in india. wWell i will kike to congrat you people for opne thing that you have been manging to keep these movemnet under your feet so they still are quite weak and tender...
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A U.S.-based human rights group on Thursday accused Pakistani security forces of using torture and other rights abuses in Pakistan's part of Kashmir.
"Most incidents of politically motivated torture recorded by Human Rights Watch involved the ISI, or the police acting on the military's behalf," Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report, referring to the military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
HRW issued a similar report on Indian Kashmir last week in which it said that rights abuses continued there unchecked.
In the 71-page report on Pakistani Kashmir, HRW noted that there had been a reduction in infiltration of Islamist militants into Indian Kashmir, but it was still taking place.
"Most of those interviewed were of the view that though the level of infiltration had decreased substantially since 2004, there have been no indications that the Pakistani military or militant groups had decided to abandon infiltration as policy."
The report said the Pakistani military still maintained a close relationship with the militant groups in Kashmir.
It said last year's devastating earthquake in the region was used an "opportunity to craft a new image for the militant groups rather than as an opportunity to disband them".
Charities linked to militant groups took a high profile in relief work after the devastating earthquake that killed more than 73,000 people last October.
Pakistan's government swiftly rejected the report.
"It is heavily biased and it contained factual errors," Junior Minister for Information Tariq Azeem Khan told a news conference. "We totally reject this report."
India and Pakistan have fought three wars -- two of them over Kashmir -- since winning independence in 1947.
South Asia's nuclear rivals embarked on a peace process in 2004 aimed at resolving all disputes, but progress has been slow.
Talks were put on ice after a series of bomb blasts on commuter trains in Indian commercial hub, Bombay on July 11 in which more than 180 people were killed.
But, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed to resume the process at a meeting in Cuba earlier this month.
The Human Rights commission of Pakistan slammed Pakistan on gross violation of human rights in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. It cited ISI the intelligence and covert operational wing of Pakistan in these allegations.
According to K.P.S Gill, The Northern Areas in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (***) have been split into five districts: Gilgit, Baltistan, Diamir, Ghizer and Ghanche. A population of 1.5 million inhabits a vast area of 72,495 square kilometers. Sparsely populated as the area is, the ethnic groups are varied Baltees, Vashkuns, Mughals, Kashmiris, Pathans, Ladakhis and Turks, speaking a multiplicity of languages, including Balti, Shina, Brushaski, Khawer, Wakhi, Turki, Tibeti, Pushto and Urdu.
The Northern Areas are the only region in Pakistan whose status is not specified in the Constitution. While Kashmir is mentioned as a disputed territory, the Northern Areas find no mention in the relevant schedule, nor do they have an autonomous or constitutional status of their own. The people of the Northern Areas are, consequently, not citizens of Pakistan within the meaning of the Constitution and do not enjoy any fundamental, legal, political or civil rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The region is also out of bounds to foreigners and journalists, except for occasional tightly controlled guided tours selectively organised by the Army or the intelligence agencies. The Northern Areas have thus been under virtual Martial Law for over five decades. Under the existing Frontier Crime Regulations (FCR), framed during the colonial era, every resident of the region has to report regularly to local intelligence personnel and all movements from one village to another have to be reported to the authorities.
From being continuously "watched and monitored" by Pakistan's ISI to denial of basic fundamental rights including access to judiciary and fair trial, people in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (***) have suffered gross violations of their rights, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
"The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has a strong presence in the region (***) according to information gathered by the HRCP and people continuously feel they are being watched and monitored," said a report released by a 11-member delegation of the commission which had been on a fact-finding mission to ***.
"There are various constitutional limitations on Azad Kashmir's autonomy," the report said. "Defence, security, foreign affairs and currency are, for instance, outside the purview of the Azad Kashmir's government."
The government is also not having control over the state's natural and financial resources and decision on their use. On the status of security in the 13,297 sq kilometre stretches, the report said, the judicial powers of the people are undermined and rights to expression are violated.
"People feel that civil and political rights of Kashmiris on both sides of the LoC have been infringed," it said adding that under the guise of the ''''Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance,'''' which prohibits activities that are prejudicial to public safety, the fundamental freedom of the public is violated.
The report touches upon several heads, which include press freedom, status of women and children, education, health and employment, prisons, and militancy, which reflects on the human rights issues involved in these sectors and is published by the agency under the title ''''Visionaries''''. On the freedom of press in ***, the report quotes journalists as complaining that their freedom of expression is restrained. "Journalists frequently face harassment at the hands of intelligence agencies, jihadis and the government," the report said citing cases of abductions and execution of journalists in the region.
The plight of women, however, brings a little cheer to the report, which claims that their literacy rate is 46-50 per cent higher than many of the neighbouring communities. However forced marriage, domestic violence is common evils with many who have non-Kashmiri fathers facing difficulties with their domicile rights. Children of *** are denied their rights and do not receive priority in the government's policies, according to the report. Child labour is a common practice in ***, it said.
Kashmiris in Pakistani occupied Kashmir are not even allowed to write their own newspapers leave alone voting.....children are forced to join terror camps funds ment for earthquake releaf are diverted for military purposes and people still living in tents after the earthquake...... speake volumes about the Pakistani establishment......
Protect your own house and put it into order before pointing fingers at neighbours.....
"Most incidents of politically motivated torture recorded by Human Rights Watch involved the ISI, or the police acting on the military's behalf," Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report, referring to the military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
HRW issued a similar report on Indian Kashmir last week in which it said that rights abuses continued there unchecked.
In the 71-page report on Pakistani Kashmir, HRW noted that there had been a reduction in infiltration of Islamist militants into Indian Kashmir, but it was still taking place.
"Most of those interviewed were of the view that though the level of infiltration had decreased substantially since 2004, there have been no indications that the Pakistani military or militant groups had decided to abandon infiltration as policy."
The report said the Pakistani military still maintained a close relationship with the militant groups in Kashmir.
It said last year's devastating earthquake in the region was used an "opportunity to craft a new image for the militant groups rather than as an opportunity to disband them".
Charities linked to militant groups took a high profile in relief work after the devastating earthquake that killed more than 73,000 people last October.
Pakistan's government swiftly rejected the report.
"It is heavily biased and it contained factual errors," Junior Minister for Information Tariq Azeem Khan told a news conference. "We totally reject this report."
India and Pakistan have fought three wars -- two of them over Kashmir -- since winning independence in 1947.
South Asia's nuclear rivals embarked on a peace process in 2004 aimed at resolving all disputes, but progress has been slow.
Talks were put on ice after a series of bomb blasts on commuter trains in Indian commercial hub, Bombay on July 11 in which more than 180 people were killed.
But, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed to resume the process at a meeting in Cuba earlier this month.
The Human Rights commission of Pakistan slammed Pakistan on gross violation of human rights in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. It cited ISI the intelligence and covert operational wing of Pakistan in these allegations.
According to K.P.S Gill, The Northern Areas in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (***) have been split into five districts: Gilgit, Baltistan, Diamir, Ghizer and Ghanche. A population of 1.5 million inhabits a vast area of 72,495 square kilometers. Sparsely populated as the area is, the ethnic groups are varied Baltees, Vashkuns, Mughals, Kashmiris, Pathans, Ladakhis and Turks, speaking a multiplicity of languages, including Balti, Shina, Brushaski, Khawer, Wakhi, Turki, Tibeti, Pushto and Urdu.
The Northern Areas are the only region in Pakistan whose status is not specified in the Constitution. While Kashmir is mentioned as a disputed territory, the Northern Areas find no mention in the relevant schedule, nor do they have an autonomous or constitutional status of their own. The people of the Northern Areas are, consequently, not citizens of Pakistan within the meaning of the Constitution and do not enjoy any fundamental, legal, political or civil rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The region is also out of bounds to foreigners and journalists, except for occasional tightly controlled guided tours selectively organised by the Army or the intelligence agencies. The Northern Areas have thus been under virtual Martial Law for over five decades. Under the existing Frontier Crime Regulations (FCR), framed during the colonial era, every resident of the region has to report regularly to local intelligence personnel and all movements from one village to another have to be reported to the authorities.
From being continuously "watched and monitored" by Pakistan's ISI to denial of basic fundamental rights including access to judiciary and fair trial, people in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (***) have suffered gross violations of their rights, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
"The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has a strong presence in the region (***) according to information gathered by the HRCP and people continuously feel they are being watched and monitored," said a report released by a 11-member delegation of the commission which had been on a fact-finding mission to ***.
"There are various constitutional limitations on Azad Kashmir's autonomy," the report said. "Defence, security, foreign affairs and currency are, for instance, outside the purview of the Azad Kashmir's government."
The government is also not having control over the state's natural and financial resources and decision on their use. On the status of security in the 13,297 sq kilometre stretches, the report said, the judicial powers of the people are undermined and rights to expression are violated.
"People feel that civil and political rights of Kashmiris on both sides of the LoC have been infringed," it said adding that under the guise of the ''''Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance,'''' which prohibits activities that are prejudicial to public safety, the fundamental freedom of the public is violated.
The report touches upon several heads, which include press freedom, status of women and children, education, health and employment, prisons, and militancy, which reflects on the human rights issues involved in these sectors and is published by the agency under the title ''''Visionaries''''. On the freedom of press in ***, the report quotes journalists as complaining that their freedom of expression is restrained. "Journalists frequently face harassment at the hands of intelligence agencies, jihadis and the government," the report said citing cases of abductions and execution of journalists in the region.
The plight of women, however, brings a little cheer to the report, which claims that their literacy rate is 46-50 per cent higher than many of the neighbouring communities. However forced marriage, domestic violence is common evils with many who have non-Kashmiri fathers facing difficulties with their domicile rights. Children of *** are denied their rights and do not receive priority in the government's policies, according to the report. Child labour is a common practice in ***, it said.
Kashmiris in Pakistani occupied Kashmir are not even allowed to write their own newspapers leave alone voting.....children are forced to join terror camps funds ment for earthquake releaf are diverted for military purposes and people still living in tents after the earthquake...... speake volumes about the Pakistani establishment......
Protect your own house and put it into order before pointing fingers at neighbours.....
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Some of the organisations are familiar and some are new to me.
I am sure there will be more such organisations.
It really does not matter since they are controllable to some extent, where governance still can be done.
India is a vast country and each one thinks he is a Kalifa!
But then, that is life!
As far as Khalisthan is concerned, why don't you visit Punjab. Visas are available and there is a train and a bus service too!! Seeing is believing. Why take anyone's word for it.
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