Trump’s ‘deal-making skills’ can help resolve Kashmir: US VP-elect Mike Pence

[khalid_ khan]

So how is he going to convince pakistan to handover pakistani side of kashmir back to india ?

handover pakistani side of kashmir back to india ? if its belong to india come and take it back from Pakistan why you need USA OR russia help ?

 

[That Guy]

I thought the same about your post actually. You say you have magically solved Balochistan cause you've broken the back of Indian efforts there. Yet you say we have a problem in Kashmir. How many times do you think we have broken the back of Pakistani funded terrorism in Kashmir? Yet every new generation needs to be tackled afresh. That is the same with Balochistan. Every new generation will lift the gun.

Nice job making a flawed argument. I never said Baluchistan was solved, I said India's efforts were dead in their tracks, and declining. Nice job deliberately putting words into my mouth.

Nothing to over inflate. We have a proven track record where you are concerned. You on the other hand have nothing.

Sure, believe what you want. Nothing you say will change the truth, and the truth is that India isn't as powerful as you claim it to be, and nor is Pakistan as weak.

A pearl will remain a pearl, regardless of who it is cast before my friend.

I agree, but you shouldn't claim that the rock is a pearl, especially when everyone can see that it is clearly not a pearl.

 

[padamchen]

Nice job making a flawed argument. I never said Baluchistan was solved, I said India's efforts were dead in their tracks, and declining. Nice job deliberately putting words into my mouth.

The fact remains that Balochistan is going to continue. Do remember that Kashmir has no commercial significance for us. Right now Pakistan's fortunes hang on Balochistan. So whether we are dead in the tracks now as claimed by you or we are not, does not really matter. The population there has been fighting the state for near on 7 decades now. And they have done so without our help. If you have not been able to make that problem go away on its own, you are surely not going to make it go away with us to deal with as well.

Sure, believe what you want. Nothing you say will change the truth, and the truth is that India isn't as powerful as you claim it to be, and nor is Pakistan as weak.

This strong and weak is how schoolboys speak. Track records speak louder, and they speak the tongue of adults. Name one thing you have achieved against us as a nation. That has permanent and far reaching consequences.

I agree, but you shouldn't claim that the rock is a pearl, especially when everyone can see that it is clearly not a pearl.

Who are these faceless "everyone" here you feel obliged to pull in as a buttress to your increasingly flailing attempts to mount a cogent defense? The thing about pearls is that only the intelligent really appreciate them. While others might sniff around, try to take a nibble, and then move on to juicier aromatic attractions. For such, a pearl is hard, a rock is hard. A pearl cannot be eaten, a rock cannot be eaten. Ergo a pearl is a rock. Move one.

 

[Śakra]

Let me play Mr. Trump for a second. "Mr. Modi, I've heard enough of the "we can resolve our issues in the same language", while people have been getting killed and the risk of a nuke war is becoming a reality with every passing day. The US can't let that happen. So we need to resolve it and I'll give you 30 days to come up with an agreement and I'll do the same with the Pakistanis. We'll grantee the results so neither one of you will have issues in the future and nor can anyone break the deal".

Mr. Modi: Mr. Trump, I don't think the Indian people appreciate the US dictating us, we are the largest democracy. We can handle our affairs.

Mr. Trump: Well Mr. Modi, the Indian people would also not appreciate the US pulling out over a trillion dollars worth of business within the next three months, and cancelling over 200,000 H1B's that we don't need as at this point, these tech visas are over capacity and the Americans want their jobs back.

If you want to see your middle-class disappearing, we can make it happen. I don't know how the Indian people will take that. Not to mention, on anything going to India, I am already working on proposing a tax at 45% to promote local hiring in America. But believe me, I want India to be our strategic ally. You guys are one of the smartest people I've met. Amazing country, truly amazing!!

But the thing is, If we can't have leverage with trillions we've spent in India, for jobs that Americans were doing or can do, what's the point if you can't work with us to resolve the most dangerous issue in the world right now? Just take a look at your borders and how many innocent people get killed every month.

Mr. Modi: no answer (having a holly shiit moment). 30 days after, both sides provide proposals, 2-3 months after, Mr. Trump sits in between the two premiers, and signs a deal with the other two's agreement (negotiations had been ongoing for the past three months since Trump's above talk with Modi).

Issue resolve and Kashmiri people don't have to be slaughtered in the name of territory and religion anymore. The world becomes a much safer place.

3 months after that, both India and Pakistan list each other as most favorite nations for trade and India joins the CPEC per Pakistan's request. No more firing on borders, killing of soldiers or scared people on each side. A tourism plan is put in place and both, Indians and Pakistanis start to visit the other side boosting serious tourism and trade on both side. India still becomes a regional power and Pakistan grows as one of the fastest growing nations in the current times. Everyone's happy.

Mr. Trump is DA-MAN, way beyond the superman



He said "Make America great again", but he will be making "Make America great again and help the entire world become great again also". I believe the way he's approaching things, his predecessors will be using his name to get the power after his 8 years. This is how Republicans can stay in the government for the next 30-40 years easy.

You do realize cancelling H1Bs will help India more than it will help Americs. All those MIT/Stanford/Ivy League educated Indians will have to come back home with their experience, knowledge and ideas. It will be a catalyst for Indian growth.

 

[Armoured Division]

Poor Trump, he will fail just like Obummer.
Remember Obummer said in 2008 that he will help resolve Kashmir both during the campaign and just a few days after he won.
He even said that he will appoint Shill Clinton as an envoy to The region.
But now as his Presidency comes to an end, he was able to do Nada.

This is what Obummer said in 2008 after he won:

"Kashmir in particular is an interesting situation where that is obviously a potential tar pit diplomatically. But for us to devote serious diplomatic resources to get a special envoy in there, to figure out a plausible approach, and essentially make the argument to the Indians, you guys are on the brink of being an economic power, why do you want to keep on messing with this," he asked.

His line to Pakistan was, "look at India and what they are doing, why do you want to keep on being bogged down on Kashmir, particularly at a time where the biggest threat now is coming from the Afghan border? I think there is a moment where potentially we could get their attention. It won't be easy, but it's important"

 

[padamchen]

Pakistan is today in an unenviable position. Its water jugular vein is controlled by its mortal enemy. And its nascent economic femoral artery is being hacked at from within. Not to mention belligerent neighbors on both flanks. And completely vulnerable and incapable of defense from the sea. I think they have a lot more on their plate than just Kashmir.

 

[Vapnope]

if anybody can solve it.....its russia!!!

I hear you. Personally i think SC is the forum where Pakistan and India should engage each other to sort out all the extraordinary problems. Nobody from west is remotely interested to solve our issues.

 

[ssethii]

No Mediation on this Bi-lateral matter, no if's no buts!

your previous posts were sounding like it's unilateral. I think this bilateral term is being misused by Indians and suits them better from their initial appeal to UN. They never wanted to solve the Kashmir issue and never will come to table to solve it amicably. The intentions are quite clear from you people but our resolve is also unbreakable. If it comes to that we will go for war for this issue.

 

[abc123xyx]

I hear you. Personally i think SC is the forum where Pakistan and India should engage each other to sort out all the extraordinary problems. Nobody from west is remotely interested to solve our issues.

not that way , what my point was ,as pakistan looking towards russia , pakistan might not trun down a ressian call to respect loc and accept it as a default border.....

 

[padamchen]

your previous posts were sounding like it's unilateral. I think this bilateral term is being misused by Indians and suits them better from their initial appeal to UN. They never wanted to solve the Kashmir issue and never will come to table to solve it amicably. The intentions are quite clear from you people but our resolve is also unbreakable. If it comes to that we will go for war for this issue.

You have. Multiple times. Thing is brother, our resolve is at least as strong, if not stronger. If Kashmir is to be made a clash of ideologies, then you will lose. As you have lost in the past.

 

[Russell]

There can be no resolution to the Kashmir issue - there is no compromise to be had.

Even if a time comes when Kashmir doesn't make sense for India militarily, financially or in terms of human cost - they'll still never compromise. From an outsiders point of view - it looks to be a matter of pride now.

Plus, the more Kashmir develops and is integrated with the rest of India, the more the cries of independence will dry up. When you give people something to live for - a job, a home, a safe future, they won't pick up a gun.

Of course - it'll never completely go away - but more and more it'll be a nuisance rather than a concerted movement for Independence.

 

[Indrajit]

your previous posts were sounding like it's unilateral. I think this bilateral term is being misused by Indians and suits them better from their initial appeal to UN. They never wanted to solve the Kashmir issue and never will come to table to solve it amicably. The intentions are quite clear from you people but our resolve is also unbreakable. If it comes to that we will go for war for this issue.

Leaving aside your threats of war, what do you bring to the table, other than your demands?
Solving Kashmir? Yeah, that's easy, accept the present LoC as border & it is solved.
What Pakistanis mean by solving Kashmir is for India to give into Pakistani demands, not much of a solution really. What's there for India? Why should we humour you?

You recall the standoff between Pakistan and India in 2002? Indian armed forces were position on the border and India looked set to attack on a moment's notice. Then, suddenly, Indian government called it off. So what happened in your opinion? A single call from President Bush was enough. And what he threatened with, one can only guess. However, I learned that he threatened to end American investment in India in all its forms. For the Indians, cost was too high.

So don't assume that US cannot do anything about Kashmir. It has the power and leverage to address this conflict, should it want to. Even by force. However, US had been exercising restraint for the sake of maintaining decent relations with Pakistan and India. But for how long. remains to be seen. A solid reason is that the possibility of nuclear war in the region is real.

Ya, right. What actually happened was that President Musharraf agreed to put militancy on the back burner & started clamping down on terror groups within Pakistan leading first to the 2003 cease fire and then to the declaration in 2004 where Pakistan pledged not to allow its territory to be used by terrorists. A promise that Musharraf largely kept till 2007 when he started to weaken internally.

The Americans had very little to say though it is true that several US businessmen did warn of short term problems for the Indian economy if India went to war. Just look at this, if the U.S. can't get Pakistan to buckle down in Afghanistan when their own interests & lives are threatened, what possible leverage would they have against a much bigger country like India and why would they do it? At the end of the day, on matters of territory etc, countries don't give in to any kind of pressure, regardless of economic consequences. Russian actions in Ukraine is a prime example. It's true for India & it would be for Pakistan too.

 

[ssethii]

Leaving aside your threats of war, what do you bring to the table, other than your demands?
Solving Kashmir? Yeah, that's easy, accept the present LoC as border & it is solved.
What Pakistanis mean by solving Kashmir is for India to give into Pakistani demands, not much of a solution really. What's there for India? Why should we humour you?
.

We don't accept anything from India neither it's a give and take scenario. As long as the people continue to demand freedom in the heart of Valley, we will keep on reminding India their initial promise to the UN on this issue, and keep supporting the right of Kashmiris for their self-determination.

You have. Multiple times. Thing is brother, our resolve is at least as strong, if not stronger. If Kashmir is to be made a clash of ideologies, then you will lose. As you have lost in the past.

And we will continue to do so for the sake of dignity and rule of law. We will perish but won't accept defeat.

 

[padamchen]

We don't accept anything from India neither it's a give and take scenario. As long as the people continue to demand freedom in the heart of Valley, we will keep on reminding India their initial promise to the UN on this issue, and keep supporting the right of Kashmiris for their self-determination.


And we will continue to do so for the sake of dignity and rule of law. We will perish but won't accept defeat.

When you perish, it will be on the shoulders of yet another defeat.

As I've said elsewhere, India is not in this fight to save Kashmir from your grasp. And no, accepting the LOC as the IB is not going to finish this fight either.

 

[That Guy]

The fact remains that Balochistan is going to continue. Do remember that Kashmir has no commercial significance for us. Right now Pakistan's fortunes hang on Balochistan. So whether we are dead in the tracks now as claimed by you or we are not, does not really matter. The population there has been fighting the state for near on 7 decades now. And they have done so without our help. If you have not been able to make that problem go away on its own, you are surely not going to make it go away with us to deal with as well.

Funny you say that, because unlike India, Pakistan not only has the motivation to, but a proper way to deal with Baluchistan

Your apathy is why IoK Kashmir is currently facing unrest. You're so easy to point fingers, but are quick to dismiss your own issues.

This strong and weak is how schoolboys speak. Track records speak louder, and they speak the tongue of adults. Name one thing you have achieved against us as a nation. That has permanent and far reaching consequences.

It's funny how you talk about schoolboy chatter, but you're engaging in that very thing. Sri Lanka would have been divided, if Pakistan had no stepped in against India's plans for Sri Lanka. This is why Sri Lanka doesn't blindly follow India. Or how about Kashmir itself? You wanna talk about permanent and far reaching consequences, that is one right there.

Pakistan isn't the same as it used to be, it is far better off now than it has been in the past. Your attempts to try and put me on the spot, are dodgy at best.

Who are these faceless "everyone" here you feel obliged to pull in as a buttress to your increasingly flailing attempts to mount a cogent defense? The thing about pearls is that only the intelligent really appreciate them. While others might sniff around, try to take a nibble, and then move on to juicier aromatic attractions. For such, a pearl is hard, a rock is hard. A pearl cannot be eaten, a rock cannot be eaten. Ergo a pearl is a rock. Move one.

Everyone, as in the readers, the audience, the observers. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.

It's amazing how you continue to play these mental gymnastics, knowing full well just how bad you are at them; arguing semantics, yet presenting zero solid arguments.