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Facing Pakistan? What can Pakistan do? I guess in every country there is a Seif el Arab...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::pakistan:
I am not saif al Arab he is a sectarian idiot.
The problem is that we Muslims are divided and when USA come hit one of us other gets happy. How long we will all tolerate this and one by one one we all will vanish. Sometimes at the hand of US puppet leaders and other times at the hands of cruise missiles. Hope we will all unite.
 
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I am not saif al Arab he is a sectarian idiot.
The problem is that we Muslims are divided and when USA come hit one of us other gets happy. How long we will all tolerate this and one by one one we all will vanish. Sometimes at the hand of US puppet leaders and other times at the hands of cruise missiles. Hope we will all unite.
Exactly us Muslims need to look after our interests, instead of trying to be in USA, or Russia, or Chinese camp.

Although Chinese have never wronged us.
 
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Lol

You have no strategic depth in your thinking. Should US go after KSA (God forbid), it will shut down its bases across the Middle East first. US would remove Iran and Pakistan from the picture (ENTIRELY), next. And some additional number of steps, to make sure that KSA is isolated and vulnerable.

This won't be a mere expedition. This would be the ultimate clash of civilizations (the endgame) in which US will bring much of its strength to bear, against the entire Islamic bloc [if necessary]. Have a good look at the sheer size of USAF and USN, and quality of their respective assets on top. USN have established solid defenses against cruise missiles and even ballistic missiles, and can strike at potential targets from much distance. They have extensive surveillance apparatus in place (they can see lot of military-oriented activity on a 24/7 basis), and have studied regional defenses of many countries over the course of years. The entire Islamic bloc is much behind in the domain of science, engineering and level of preparation for the endgame.

What you saw in Iraq and Afghanistan were mere expeditions, to fuel their MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, and generate lot of business. They fulfilled this agenda, in glorious manner.

WE are not supernatural beings, my naive bro. Civilians never stand a chance against a powerful army out in the open, by the way.

No Islamic country can move an entire army to KSA on a moment's notice. No aircraft carriers. No Islamic country have fielded a huge number of spy satellites out there, to construct a clear picture of American military deployments across the Arabian Sea, and where to strike. No submarines armed with MiRV'ed SLBM. No long-range bombers. No long-range ALCM. Lacking in EW. Lacking in radar coverage. Lacking in defenses against cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. So much more.

Come back to Earth.


Bro,

Time always change. American capabilities are also changing accordingly. Getting better actually.

USA cannot remove Afghanistan in 17 years and you are thinking about Pakistan and Iran lol quite wishful thinking on your end. You know Israel and DC will be fried turkey in the process.
 
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Not saying Russia and China are saints.

That is the problem with us Muslims today, instead of being For USA, or Russia, or China, Muslims need to be Pro themselves.

Muslims need to fight for their own interests, their rights, their society, their countries!

They unfortunately don't think like us Western-minded Muslims. There is too much 'rule of the fist' in the Muslim world, no real checks and balances, which greatly debilitate a nation's ability to develop. Also contributes to much corruption. And lastly, many Muslim nations are poor/not wealthy enough where most people are just trying to make a living and can barely afford eating out at a fancy restaurant once a month, if even.

Now for the wealthier nations in Arab world, the rulers believe providing a good quality of life can offset negatives of totalitarian rule. Either that, or they believe it is too early to start transferring some power to more civilian representing institutions. I doubt that however. In meantime people will do nothing about it, because they(Gulf Arabs) more distracted by Iranian threat. Also those rulers constantly tout in state media the advantage of having security, it's pretty much propaganda. Even some nationalist music is centered around being grateful for having internal security and not ending up like other nations. That's great that none of these nations are like Syria, but you can bet these ruler's intentions are not about development or reaching sky's high limit. They will always hinder ability of population to prosper if they keep feeding them with this propaganda.

They also promote theories that other Arabs want to see them fail and are jealous, and that they should just focus on themselves and appreciate their rulers for representing the Gulf Arab world, and without those rulers they would lose their identity to an extent. It may be true some ordinary(non-influential people) are indeed jealous, but jeoaulusy is so common among humanity, and I wouldn't even take that seriously, unless it's serious and coming from an hostile regime. So these rulers are providing quality of life and emphasizing nationalism as of recent in an accelerated manner. At same time, they don't want their citizens to even think of strategic independence.

So I hope Muslim people don't settle for 'security/prosper'. This is like a society not taking initiative to be better or the best. And we know what that ends up making us, pathetic losers with no clout. It's not a coincidence that influential nations always are working to innovate and be ahead of others. And the other part of it is the inclusiveness in the government, Arabs do not need to rebel against their rulers, but they need to ramp up social pressure on their rulers to allow for more inclusivenesses and checks and balances if you want to have effective policy making. Now I'm emphasizing Gulf Arabs because I believe they have the potential and I believe they will eventually figure things out. As for other Arab nations, they are too poor or incapable of strategic independence.

So maybe we will see that time in the future, but I can't help but feel there are wasted opportunities and time thanks to the rulers.
 
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USA is in a strategic problem entire US weaponry is offensive and tomorrow if you reach main land USA they cannot fight a war and stop you. Patriot is a failure we all know it. This all is wishful thinking but it all depends on what USA wants here. Threatening allies for money is known as extortion
 
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They unfortunately don't think like us Western-minded Muslims. There is too much 'rule of the fist' in the Muslim world, no real checks and balances, which greatly debilitate a nation's ability to develop. Also contributes to much corruption. And lastly, many Muslim nations are poor/not wealthy enough where most people are just trying to make a living and can barely afford eating out at a fancy restaurant once a month, if even.

Now for the wealthier nations in Arab world, the rulers believe providing a good quality of life can offset negatives of totalitarian rule. Either that, or they believe it is too early to start transferring some power to more civilian representing institutions. I doubt that however. In meantime people will do nothing about it, because they(Gulf Arabs) more distracted by Iranian threat. Also those rulers constantly tout in state media the advantage of having security, it's pretty much propaganda. Even some nationalist music is centered around being grateful for having internal security and not ending up like other nations. That's great that none of these nations are like Syria, but you can bet these ruler's intentions are not about development or reaching sky's high limit. They will always hinder ability of population to prosper if they keep feeding them with this propaganda.

They also promote theories that other Arabs want to see them fail and are jealous, and that they should just focus on themselves and appreciate their rulers for representing the Gulf Arab world, and without those rulers they would lose their identity to an extent. It may be true some ordinary(non-influential people) are indeed jealous, but jeoaulusy is so common among humanity, and I wouldn't even take that seriously, unless it's serious and coming from an hostile regime. So these rulers are providing quality of life and emphasizing nationalism as of recent in an accelerated manner. At same time, they don't want their citizens to even think of strategic independence.

So I hope Muslim people don't settle for 'security/prosper'. This is like a society not taking initiative to be better or the best. And we know what that ends up making us, pathetic losers with no clout. It's not a coincidence that influential nations always are working to innovate and be ahead of others. And the other part of it is the inclusiveness in the government, Arabs do not need to rebel against their rulers, but they need to ramp up social pressure on their rulers to allow for more inclusivenesses and checks and balances if you want to have effective policy making. Now I'm emphasizing Gulf Arabs because I believe they have the potential and I believe they will eventually figure things out. As for other Arab nations, they are too poor or incapable of strategic independence.

So maybe we will see that time in the future, but I can't help but feel there are wasted opportunities and time thanks to the rulers.
I think the Syrian uprising was a big mistake. Now Syria is in ruins.
 
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I am not saif al Arab he is a sectarian idiot.
The problem is that we Muslims are divided and when USA come hit one of us other gets happy. How long we will all tolerate this and one by one one we all will vanish. Sometimes at the hand of US puppet leaders and other times at the hands of cruise missiles. Hope we will all unite.

Actually you are pretty sectarian, I can see your agenda through your posts easily. And I said before I hope you change, that's up to you.

US is not to blame for the rulers we have, if we wanted to be independent we can be, no one is preventing us but us. Transition of power is less important now, but building necessary foundations to operate like first world nations is emphasis. I don't think we can do that when we have ruler obsessed folks and sectarian people like you promote an Iranian dictatorship while blaming USA/Israel for everything. All people in the region deserve better, including Iranians.
 
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I think the Syrian uprising was a big mistake. Now Syria is in ruins.

Well that wasn't my point. It was more about how people don't want to end like how some nations did in the Arab spring. That being said, I don't think the uprising was a calculated move, was in cohesion with Arab spring atmosphere, but it kind of took off from there in all wrong ways.
 
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USA cannot remove Afghanistan in 17 years and you are thinking about Pakistan and Iran lol quite wishful thinking on your end. You know Israel and DC will be fried turkey in the process.
Bro,

You are not thinking clearly. Some wars are fought to appease MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, and some to win.

US decimated the Wehrmacht in Europe and the Japanese Imperial Forces across the Pacific, in WW2. This was a war which US took really really seriously.

Iraq and Afghanistan were POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED expeditions to satiate their MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. They wanted to test new types of weapon systems, and operational doctrines. And it all worked out, as they had originally intended. They scored huge number of deals worldwide. Sometimes, regional villains are created, to justify POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED expeditions.

US can literally exterminate entire Afghanistan, in short order. Don't delude yourself.
 
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Bro,

You are not thinking clearly. Some wars are fought to appease MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, and some to win.

US decimated the Wehrmacht in Europe and the Japanese Imperial Forces across the Pacific, in WW2. This was a war which US took really really seriously.

Iraq and Afghanistan were POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED expeditions to satiate their MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. They wanted to test new types of weapon systems, and operational doctrines. And it all worked out, as they had originally intended. They scored huge number of deals worldwide. Sometimes, regional villains are created, to justify POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED expeditions.

US can literally exterminate entire Afghanistan, in short order. Don't delude yourself.
Yes USA can exterminate Afghanistan, but the world would be against USA forever for genocide.
 
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The question is how can and how much Pakistan get benefit from a rift between KSA and US relations?
 
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Yes USA can exterminate Afghanistan, but the world would be against USA forever for genocide.
Yes, this would be an issue.

WORLD OPINION, is a solid defense in itself.

However, we do not know. I see plenty of tolerance for regional genocides.
 
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And his entire cabinet smacked their faces at that. However, the Saudis will not react because they see the long game of keeping the US at their side until they have fully developed as a peoples and as a nation.
They will never develop as people and or as a nation without some sort of democratic institutions. Even china has its own socialist democratic institutions.

Blood monarchy and tribal feudalism which is even against tribal egalitarianism. can never develop into a modern state or nation.
 
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