Trump: Saudi king wouldn't last 'two weeks' without US support

[Veritas01]

Bro, I am all ears.

However, I have some solid judgements, and understand Americans a bit better than many here.

This is not the first time US - KSA relations have experienced some friction.

Major hint: 1973 Oil Embargo.

OPEC is at the center of these episodes of friction. US (Obama administration) commenced shale revolution in 2014 to break the monopoly of OPEC in setting the price of oil per barrel, and much of the world celebrated this development. Now, OPEC is making a comeback with certain measures, and US is irked once again.

There is a solid basis to why Muhammad Bin Salman is trying to diversify Saudi economy; KSA is not comfortable with US - OPEC disputes, and Salman wants to reduce Saudi reliance on oil to fulfill its needs (Vision 2030).

However, US - KSA relations have withstood the test of time on the whole. And US shielded Saudi Monarchy from internal and external threats from time-to-time.

Donald Trump have the unfortunate habit of creating drama when there is none, to appease his vote base.

But make no mistake: US is a master strategist and incredibly powerful. Expect major surprises from it at the right time.

Learn from this post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fran...-bomb-attack-near-paris.579964/#post-10831302

They understand what to do, whom to send a message, and how to tackle potential threats. They have various Think Tanks, military strategists and economists working under them.

On a lighter note, Husband and Wife fight at times. And make-out at other times.

Scores of members overreading this crap.

@BHarwana
@Peaceful Civilian

He wants Saudi to increase oil production to offset his sanctions on Iran and Venezuela, but if Saudi increases production to near max, what happens when the next crisis strikes? Prices will, as they are now, continue to rise due to the lack of spare capacity to deal with elastic changes - it's not OPEC's actions that are at fault here.

Low oil prices don't benefit American shale oil companies either. The response to low oil prices in '15 for shale oil producers was to slow production and lay off workers since their break-even point is higher than most oil producers. Shale oil is now linked to the market's volatility, though much quicker to react to shocks due to innovative tech, it's still affected by price. Trump is just a moron who plays to domestic politics far too much.

 

[Cheeni]

U.S.A has to face Pakistan before attacking Saudi Arabia. We can provide nuclear weapons to Saudis if U.S.A goes against Saudi Arabia . Try it U.S.A.
U.S.A has no other option to keep good relation with K.S.A.
Going against Saudi Arabia will badly hurt America interest.
This is our official policy to protect Saudi Arabia not joke.
So this is in the Interest of uncle SAM for peaceful relation with Saudi Arabia .

What will KSA do with your nuclear weapons ? Will fire during Chand raat ? How can they reach US ?

 

[Fawadqasim1]

In the end much ado about nothing the king and thee prince will be in line with American dictates the crude prices will fall from 85 per barrel to round about mid seventies iran and russia will bite the bullet all others will be happy including Pakistan.

 

[American Pakistani]

Probably that's why they are more kin on holding on to the US, looking at the wonderful job you guys have done.

Wonderful job yes, by keeping 7 lakh Indian occupier terrorists at bay in the eastern front while defeating Indian sponsored terrorists in the western front. Wonderful indeed.

 

[BHarwana]

@Cheeni in my life time I have seen at least 6 Muslim countries destroyed totally by USA in the name of democracy freedom humanity and war on terror. I have also seen 2 countries defy USA in name of all odds with just sheer will of being sovereign. So USA is not as big a monster as you think. I don't know about any one else here MBS could be evil monarch don't help us and whatever but Nejad is sacred and any ill intentions towards it is asking for war. We will not tolerate a single Yankee turning its face towards it. At least Pakistanis love all Muslims and be it Iran or Saudis we stand with both of them against the world that is what Pakistan is. Now about those 26 you are talking about yes USA killed them and it was an act of state terrorism and if USA had balls they should have not apologized for it. Obama never apologized for Hiroshima bomb when he went to Japan but he apologized for those 26 it was the first US war crime apology in history.

 

[Dexon]

Did Saudis respond to this?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Do you think trump said this without trying to imply anything at all? Ask yourself what he was trying to convey to the Saudi King. I'm sure the King got the message, so he won't try to rely on Pakistan or any other country, that is, if he wants to live. The US forces are protecting him and those who protect also have the means to destroy, don't forget that.

CIA has brought me down - Merhum Shah Pehlevi of Iran after 1979 revolution

Arab Spring lite was attempted and failed on the get go. MBS is their man but that is only until their interests align with his.

King Faisal was assassinated by his own nephew....

Facing Pakistan? What can Pakistan do? I guess in every country there is a Seif el Arab...

With only a couple of billion $s in the treasury and in perpetual economic crisis, Pak has managed to produce nukes (sub kilo-ton to 100s of kilo-tons), miniaturized warheads, MIRV/cruise etc. missiles, fighters, tanks etc. while fighting 7x larger arch enemy, whose religious redemption lies in Pak's destruction, 24/7 via WOT!!! Not to mention the USA, USSR etc. According to the President Obama, Pak was his worst nightmare and an ally from Hell!!! Not that bad a performance...

Did Saudis respond to this?

They brought in Rahil Pasha along with ~5K Pak advisors....

 

[LeGenD]

American PAC-3 battery deployed in Mecca to shield it from air-breathing targets. These are the best in Saudi arsenal, and among the best in the world.

And this deployment highlight the level of relations between US and KSA.

FYI: https://www.janes.com/article/82511/saudi-patriot-pac-3-capability-confirmed

Now, everybody relax.

@BHarwana

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Did Saudis respond to this?

Did Salman respond to Trump when trump humiliated him like a child holding pictures of weapons and telling him you will buy this and this? Salman just felt shame and smiled to hide his humiliation.
Most probably salman will give him another gold chain or organizes a big event where he signs billions worth weapon deals with USA.

 

[BHarwana]

American PAC-3 battery deployed in Mecca to shield it from air-breathing targets. These are the best in Saudi arsenal, and among the best in the world.

And this deployment highlight the level of relations between US and KSA.

FYI: https://www.janes.com/article/82511/saudi-patriot-pac-3-capability-confirmed

Now, everybody relax.

@BHarwana

Why relax? I am a Muslim and KSA is the most holiest place for me and that Orange hair baboon is saying that it will collapse if not because of USA. Wow just wow. I think that Orange hair baboon don't know that they got their *** kicked in Syria in front of the whole world and they have become a joke for every one. Tell me a single war USA won. Name just one.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Also I want to tell some of our Pakistani friends here, why would you protect house of Saud, who is acting as a slave? That has nothing to do with protecting mecca and medina.

Secondly, lets say in worst case scenario they would attack holy mecca and medina, then ababil birds will reappear and stone all the USA bases in the region, no need for Pakistan to take risks.

 

[Big Tank]

We have enough numbers and USA starting a war on Saudis will be a US adventure that needs to be 100% successful because if not it will be a US grave for ever.
Muslim countries will jump in all US bases in the area are in range of Pakistani missiles. USA bases in Afghanistan will also be attacked it will be mess USA will regret. Over throwing Saudis for USA is not that easy. Harba will shut the straight for good and USA will stand out side in Indian ocean to fight any war. Situation is not that easy for USA as well. Pakistan is a counter balance for Saudis and a trusted ally.

Saying we've enough numbers isn't enough. My brother was there into the second last detachment and the troops are only mobilised with light infantry weapons which are itself issued by the Saudi Military. You need to understand the circumstances since scenario won't go like we want. OU

USA cannot remove Afghanistan in 17 years and you are thinking about Pakistan and Iran lol quite wishful thinking on your end. You know Israel and DC will be fried turkey in the process.

Although US was never there to win in Afghanistan..they wanted to stay and keep an eye. They've nothing to do with shitland like Afghanistan which can produce nothing but idiots. The only importance it has is the location. Both against Iran and Pakistan. US can never think of actually attacking Iran nor Pakistan and that's totally because both the countries are well armed and its general youth will be ready to resist all the time. Both the countries have China near and its heavy investment. We're talking about KSA. No we don't have significant number of troops in KSA. As I told you, we've roughly a battalion there. (full battalion consists of 600-800 troops). Meanwhile US has 2 divisions based at 6 different bases. About 8-9 Brigades already making 12-15 Battalion formations.armed with their own Weaponry, tech and support. US Army is deployed for the Kingdom's security. Pakistan Army is there for training purposes. It makes a huge difference mate. My brother was there in the second last detachment and trust me we'll stand no chance until re-enforcements arrive which US will be keeping an eye upon. At first, there is going to be no regime change in KSA. Its the best US can ever have. They're already killing enough Muslims in Yemen and keeping Syria at war. Kingdom served US like no one else.

 

[Max]

He is asking for ransom. They haven't paid for this year yet.

 

[BHarwana]

Saying we've enough numbers isn't enough. My brother was there into the second last detachment and the troops are only mobilised with light infantry weapons which are itself issued by the Saudi Military. You need to understand the circumstances since scenario won't go like we want. OU


Although US was never there to win in Afghanistan..they wanted to stay and keep an eye. They've nothing to do with shitland like Afghanistan which can produce nothing but idiots. The only importance it has is the location. Both against Iran and Pakistan. US can never think of actually attacking Iran nor Pakistan and that's totally because both the countries are well armed and its general youth will be ready to resist all the time. Both the countries have China near and its heavy investment. We're talking about KSA. No we don't have significant number of troops in KSA. As I told you, we've roughly a battalion there. (full battalion consists of 600-800 troops). Meanwhile US has 2 divisions based at 6 different bases. About 8-9 Brigades already making 12-15 Battalion formations.armed with their own Weaponry, tech and support. US Army is deployed for the Kingdom's security. Pakistan Army is there for training purposes. It makes a huge difference mate. My brother was there in the second last detachment and trust me we'll stand no chance until re-enforcements arrive which US will be keeping an eye upon. At first, there is going to be no regime change in KSA. Its the best US can ever have. They're already killing enough Muslims in Yemen and keeping Syria at war. Kingdom served US like no one else.

We have good number of troops there our last deployment consisted of 1000 troops and we have previously stationed some undisclosed numbers there. If USA is backing out on Saudis we should increase our the more protection Saudis have more chance we have of bridging the gap among Muslims.

 

[LeGenD]

Why relax? I am a Muslim and KSA is the most holiest place for me and that Orange hair baboon is saying that it will collapse if not because of USA. Wow just wow. I think that Orange hair baboon don't know that they got their *** kicked in Syria in front of the whole world and they have become a joke for every one. Tell me a single war USA won. Name just one.

Bro,

You are in an emotional frame of mind, at this moment. I would suggest you watch a movie and soothe your mind.

Pakistan cannot protect KSA from greatest power in existence. However, Allah Almighty is out there, and he control everything.

I am a Muslim, and so are many others, and most are like YAWN.

While you are boasting about Pakistani military presence in KSA, American missile defense systems defeated numerous ballistic missile attacks over KSA soil. One approached Mecca. Why Pakistan not beat the shit out of Yemen?

KSA might receive many volunteers from various countries in this hypothetical scenario, but expecting Pakistan - as a state - to commit suicide for KSA (monarchy) is a bit much.

Pakistan would rather bring both US and KSA to the negotiation table. However, even this won't be necessary because US - KSA relations just work out.

History of American Wars: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-american-wars.538912/

Tell me what is the performance of Pakistan Army in comparison? Let us not fuel this thread with useless rants, shall we?