Trump: Saudi king wouldn't last 'two weeks' without US support

[padamchen]

KSA have advanced weapons and an army at present but it cannot defeat Iran in a war yet.

In fact, if Iran and US were allies, Iran might have been the most powerful country in the entire Islamic bloc by now.

Iranians are really brave, and very capable. Iran of Shah era, was a force to be reckoned with.

Even when Iran was vulnerable after the revolution, it fought the strongest Arab country to a standstill.

A warrior race.

A master race.

In time it will be all of that again.

Cheers, Doc

 

[T-Rex]

This is the fate of all puppets. It doesn't matter if the pet is a US, Russian, israeli, Chinese or indian puppet. A puppet is a puppet. They may live in palaces made of gold but in the end they have no dignity. Even their masters point it out from time to time. On the other hand, even if you hang a Lion of the Desert the world always remembers him as a lion. People name their children after them because in their hearts they live forever. They are invincible. Look at Erdogan, sissy, Mahtir, assad, Tamim Bin Hamad, MBS, MBZ, zardari, hasina, you don't need rocket science to tell who's who.

 

[Zhukov]

Imagine if Saudis had invested just 1/10th amount of Money with Turkey, Pakistan, Italy,France and Russia to develop parallel defensive solutions along with the American Weapons for last 20 years what would have been the outcome?
Americans would have been happy with them for all the weapons they were buying and their defense would still have been formidable and independent.
I fail to understand Saudis is not Member of NATO nor does it follows the defense framework like turkey, what stopped them from acquiring S-300 Systems or Advanced Customized Flankers or Chinese Submarines, Co-developed Advanced Avionics with Turkey, Gunships made in cooperation with Italy and Turkey, Co developed Short Ranged Missiles Precision Missiles with Pakistan. Hell with that defense budget they could have bought a used aircraft carrier from Russia with Mig29k on board.
Never understood their defensive policy for relying on a single source for everything.

This is the fate of all puppets. It doesn't matter if the pet is a US, Russian, israeli, Chinese or indian puppet. A puppet is a puppet. They may live in palaces made of gold but in the end they have no dignity. Even their masters point it out from time to time. On the other hand, even if you hang a Lion of the Desert the world always remembers him as a lion. People name their children after them because in their hearts they live forever. They are invincible. Look at Erdogan, sissy, Mahtir, assad, Tamim Bin Hamad, MBS, MBZ, zardari, hasina, you don't need rocket science to tell who's who.

Zardari?
Why are you grouping a POLITICIAN of 3rd largest DEMOCRATIC party of Pakistan with dictators and Undemocratic Rulers?
Nobody likes Zardari in Pakistan for his corruption(Including me, he is a terrible and Corrupt Jerk politician) but he is leader of a political party not some dynasty ruler or derailer of system to strengthen his own rule sort of person. His Party was made by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who came to power by elections not coup, he was hanged, her daughter also came to power 2 times by General Public Elections competing fiercely with other parties. And he himself came to power by ELECTIONS competing fiercely against PMLN and still his party is thrid to PTI and PMLN. His pro Russian Policy was due to his Party's Stance from the beginning from Cold War era not because of being Puppet or something. Infact, to his credit he gave away the authorities he enjoyed being the president after General Musharraf and made Parliament and Prime Minister Stronger unlike Hasina who totally Apprehended the whole Bangladeshi Democratic System.
Don't drag Pakistan into this. we are pretty much functional Elected democracy even if our economy is in bad shape and system is stagnated for the time being

 

[Test7]

Very sad and shameful situation. Let them ride on gold-plated vehicles. The end of the king will be like Saddam, Kaddafi. Hopefully the Arabs will wake up from sleep soon. Because the trump can want king's wife or daughter to his bed for protection. It's not an insult, it's reality. Trump already have scandals about such events.

 

[T-Rex]

Zardari?
Why are you grouping a POLITICIAN of 3rd largest DEMOCRATIC party of Pakistan with dictators and Undemocratic Rulers?
Nobody likes Zardari in Pakistan for his corruption(Including me, he is a terrible and Corrupt Jerk politician) but he is leader of a political party not some dynasty ruler or derailer of system to strengthen his own rule sort of person. His Party was made by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who came to power by elections not coup, he was hanged, her daughter also came to power 2 times by General Public Elections competing fiercely with other parties. And he himself came to power by ELECTIONS competing fiercely against PMLN and still his party is thrid to PTI and PMLN. His pro Russian Policy was due to his Party's Stance from the beginning from Cold War era not because of being Puppet or something. Infact, to his credit he gave away the authorities he enjoyed being the president after General Musharraf and made Parliament and Prime Minister Stronger unlike Hasina who totally Apprehended the whole Bangladeshi Democratic System.
Don't drag Pakistan into this. we are pretty much functional Elected democracy even if our economy is in bad shape and system is stagnated for the time being

There's no strict rule that only monarchs and dictators qualify as puppets. Lendup Dorji of Sikkim was also elected and what is his permanent status in history today?

 

[Zhukov]

There's no strict rule that only monarchs and dictators qualify as puppets. Lendup Dorji of Sikkim was also elected and what is his permanent status in history today?

Sorry mate but comparing Pakistan of today and its Political Leaders with Kingdom of Sikkim and its fall means you have no idea about politics of Pakistan.
Sikkim State Congress party was formed solely for the demand of union with India against kingdom rule of Sikkim. And these parties such as STC and SJP formed coalition leading to Dorji Leading a united front. When people of Sikkim voted for them that meant they voted for succession for India. You cannot oversimplify things like this.
In a similar manner how People of East Pakistan VOTED for Awami League meant the majority chose Sheikh Mujib and his vision instead of West Pakistan Lead strong Federal unity Structure. Anyways. cheers

 

[Ceylal]

@Taimoor Khan

Check following:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/oil-markets-saudi-arabia-russia-us-crude-inventories-in-focus.html

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/b...mber-to-lift-oil-output-told-u-s-3010851.html




Nuclear posturing did not end well for DPRK in 2017.

Let me refresh your memory: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/no-r...-foreign-minister.575098/page-3#post-10755240

What do you want Pakistan to do? Remind US that it have nuclear weapons? Seriously. Beep. Beep.

Nuclear posturing towards US, is the worst mistake any country can ever commit. Even the likes of Russia and China do not go this far.

Iranians will not understand, and this is why your country will not be a nuclear power.

You should rather wonder why even having a nuclear arsenal, does not address any problems for any country.

Message of humility in the Holy Quran:

Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful. (Surah An-Nisa, verse 36)

Having strategic depth and diplomatic skills, are important.

Let not get religious here...North Korea knows well the America psyche since they fought them..
Arabs have always bow down to power for the Benefit of the few...
Zia open the door to the American and tested the power he didn’t have with his citizens , but enjoyed under the Americans..as well as the one that followed him..

 

[nahtanbob]

Sir, I usually do not defend Pakistan (im chuckling inwardly just saying this), but the US only takes seriously those nations that have the demonstrated capability to land a nuke on their mainland.

North Korea does.

Pakistan does not.

Neither does India.

China does.

Connect the dots.

Cheers, Doc

north korean ability to hit the american homeland is questionable. their ability to hit Seoul or Tokyo is not.

 

[padamchen]

north korean ability to hit the american homeland is questionable. their ability to hit Seoul or Tokyo is not.

They have demonstrated missile tests.

Are you going to be the US President to take that chance?

Cheers, Doc

 

[nahtanbob]

They have demonstrated missile tests.

Are you going to be the US President to take that chance?

Cheers, Doc

If I did not have to worry about South Korea and Japan I would. it is either now or later

 

[padamchen]

If I did not have to worry about South Korea and Japan I would. it is either now or later

I don't think you care.

About SK or Japan over San Francisco or San Diego or Seattle that is ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[EpiiC]

With Pakistan there will be China and with China there will be Russia for weapon market.

And loosing KSA will hurt US more than any of these three.

LMAO where was China when Pakistan was at War with India, they China din't help enough? Never mind United states a country more than x10 more powerful and influential than India. United States can handle both KSA and PAK, in fact Japan can handle China, never mind the greatest military power this world has ever known...

You should ask yourself what will KSA do with the oil, if the US and other countries refuse to buy it? Drink it?

Then, they were men....not the today’s dry turts.

Oil imbargo din't last long enough, they US had plans to invade Saudi due to the oil imbargo, KSA quickly took of the oil sanction and restored relations.

 

[AZ1]

LMAO where was China when Pakistan was at War with India, they China din't help enough? Never mind United states a country more than x10 more powerful and influential than India. United States can handle both KSA and PAK, in fact Japan can handle China, never mind the greatest military power this world has ever known...


Oil imbargo din't last long enough, they US had plans to invade Saudi due to the oil imbargo, KSA quickly took of the oil sanction and restored relations.

Actually China did ask pakistan and if we have choosen that time we would have free Kashmir that time. But Pakistan took the route of US and now we are at fight with india.

 

[BATMAN]

Now for today, Trump is the most beloved person on defence.pk

 

[damm1t]

Damn... This is deepest point of humiliation for a nation...