Trump President and its meaning for the EU

[Divergent]

Many in EU and elsewhere will be understandably shocked by Donald Trump’s victory in the US presidential election, the rhetoric around it and what the election result means for the rest of the world, as well as America.

Trump’s election is an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people. It is one that has delivered escalating inequality and stagnating or falling living standards for the majority, both in the US and Britain

This is a rejection of a failed economic consensus and a governing elite that has been seen not to have listened. And the public anger that has propelled Donald Trump to office has been reflected in political upheavals across the world.

But some of Trump’s answers to the big questions facing America, and the divisive rhetoric around them, are clearly wrong.

I have no doubt, however, that the decency and common sense of the American people will prevail, and we send our solidarity to a nation of migrants, innovators and democrats.

After this latest global wake up call, the need for a real alternative to a failed economic and political system could not be clearer.

That alternative must be based on working together, social justice and economic renewal, rather than sowing fear and division. And the solutions we offer have to improve the lives of everyone, not pit one group of people against another.

Americans have made their choice. The urgent necessity is now for us all to work across continents to tackle our common global challenges: to secure peace, take action on climate change and deliver economic prosperity and justice.

 

[Fenrir]

of all the presidential candidates who would you have liked to see as president and why?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Well folks,we had "what in means for India ?,for Israel,for Pakistan,for Turkey,for Russia ?" ,but who cares,right ? The important thing is what it means for the EU. ( I joke,I joke ofc )

Seriously though,I see this as an opportunity and I'm pretty sure EU politicians think alike .Despite all the rhetoric most important EU states didn't cave into populists,after BREXIT ,polls in France,Germany,Denmark etc showed a growing support for the EU but the masses also sent an important message...Change !

Also after Brexit,Germany and France pushed for the EU Army and ,for the first time,suggested EU funds being diverted to the defence industry.Now,I don't believe,despite the fact that they want to work with Russia ,that Fra,Ger,Italy would hand over EE to Russia.They have businesses in the hundreds of billions in here ,a interwined market of some 120 million people and after bringing Russia that close who is safe anymore.Nor will European states pay a protection racket to the US.That was paid with dead citizens of ours in A'stan,Irak.

My take that calls for increased cooperation,more defence funds and stronger European integration will arrive.I see Europe picking a destiny for itself ,separated from the US.It's about time ,I say.

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well good points and frenchie has similar views.

ask your self who was the first presidant to congratulate trump? ....... it was Vladimir Putin. i think the us-russia tensions/stand-off would simmer down considerably. the Russians would be happy and as well as the Europeans and the usa too. personally i think he would reduce tensions with russia and keep the defense budget stable.

as for europe were already looking at our selfs, were looking at 6thgen fighters already and we have bad@ss ucavs on the way will the french being possible partners, the germans are slow in my opinion but my opinion would be things would simmer down. people are blowing this thing way out of proportion, its like brexit all over again.

end of the day only god know whats going on inside that head of his

 

[Glass]

Russia will invade baltivcs and i think also eastern europe (maybe later)

Europe will push for a mor eindeppendent army. NATO will remain but not more then a paper alliance.

 

[xenon54 out]

Trump’s election is an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people. It is one that has delivered escalating inequality and stagnating or falling living standards for the majority, both in the US and Britain

The irony is choosing Trump, a business magnate to end this.

Cant we just skip 2016?

 

[Blue Marlin]

meh you could always hide in the seed vault whilst we all burn and die

 

[19887]

ask your self who was the first presidant to congratulate trump? ....... it was Vladimir Putin.

It was sisi of egypt the first to call trump

 

[jian-10]

No doubt Trump is an idiot and has little idea about geopolitics. Listening to him is like watching an awful WWE pro wrestler talk, but this appeals to his target audience. But Iran definitely has to be worried because of his VP Pence, he is the connection to the Washington Neocons.

but either way Iran there was no positive outcome Hillary was just as bad if not worst because she had the full backing of the Neocons.

 

[Steve781]

Europe will push for a mor eindeppendent army. NATO will remain but not more then a paper alliance.

If Russia is so eager to invade Poland and the the Baltics, why didn't they do it from 1992-2004? Yes they were weaker then ,but much stronger than their neighbours

 

[Glass]

If Russia is so eager to invade Poland and the the Baltics, why didn't they do it from 1992-2004? Yes they were weaker then ,but much stronger than their neighbours

I dont think that russia wants to have poland they are not very pro Russia so it wouldnt make sense to in there and annex it but 1992-2004 was the time when russia was fcked up Putin himself said that no one in the world expected that russia would be still meaningful after 90´s but that was not the truth russia began to grow.
Russia also invaded georgia despite them being kinda protected by NATO. I think a invasion will come to baltics, parts of ukraine and maybe slovakia,romania and everything in their immediate neighborhood. have a read british source

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...baltic-latvia-lithuania-estonia-a7402136.html

Maybe appeasement policy towards russia is the key for europes safety. Letting them annex those parts in Eastern europe and in return they leave west/north/south/central alone.

 

[waz]

To be honest the EU leaders looked like they have seen a ghost. Tusk and Schulz couldn't even get their words out. It means uncertainty and plenty of it. I could see many EE and CE states being jittery over his comments praising Putin. The fact that he was clapped today in the upper house will just add to their suspicions. Trump views Europe, aside the UK, with suspicion and is of the opinion "why are we even bothering." This also casts a shadow over NATO, and just how serious he will commit himself and the US armed forces in keeping it functional remains to be seen.

For us here in the UK, for Brexitiers we have gained the most powerful ally out there, and will certainly strengthen our position when article 50 is triggered, as the EU hopes for a transatlantic trade deal, and annoying a key ally of his will spell trouble. He was talking today about how much he loved the UK. But honestly I'd like our separation to be amicable for all and we still keep strong ties with Europe.

We just all have to wait and see the developments.

 

[Penguin]

While awaiting his policies, it's worth noting Europe does not trust Trump:

Folks are worried: what policies will follow.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-foreign-policy-community-reaction-230937

A lot will depend on who will be in that administration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071

We'll see what the first 100 days of the new administration brings.

We're at the front of the queue for the US now, which will strengthen our hand in negotiations.
Also, nobody is now going to discount a victory for Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders.

Geert WIlders ...

Men with bad hair ...

 

[T-72]

His first meeting with Merkel might be a bit awkward.

on Russia, France, and the refugees:

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Some judge even that America is not a part of the Western world anymore.

That's Fantastic, not sure if we should declare ourselves the Northern World, Southern World, or both....

S'Northern or S'Nouthern........


Forgot about the Canadians, so sad....

To be honest, im not sure if Hillary would be any better, she just didnt seem honest to me, at least Trump spoke what he is thinking.

She would've hit the button on the 4th year, just to screw the next President. We should've had Bernie but President Trump was the next best choice. Hopefully we build diplomatic and economic relations with Russia, China, Turkey and others. Also take a more non-interventionist path.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Yes,that's the ideea that comes to me to,Europe is now the leader of the democratic world but it has to bank on it,and not only with soft power.There's an oportunity here and I believe Europe will take it.

Probably not, the union is already in trouble...real trouble.

That's the ideea,ride the wave in Europe's favour.It's time to shine.

My problem with the extrem right wing is, they are morons. I like some points of their agendas, but many more points not. At the end of the day, they will f***ed up the situation and make everything more worse.
But if i have to choose between right wingers from outside or domestically...i will always prefer my own idiots.
As a consequence i doubt that Europe will shine under the new wave...

You're in no man's land right now....out of the EU and watching a Trump led US leaning towards isolationism.

Good...could make the world a little bit more peaceful.