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Trump: escalate trade war to cover all Chinese imports

Well... If things get hotter... They will mostly find their money elsewhere... Afterall China is no more the "only" factory of the world.
Yes it will take time, to redirect.... But in The Long term...China could lose. Afterall...You can't play alone in the market...
think about it. if there is a better alternative, do you think businessmen need government action before they go after it? what Trump does is to destroy the best option available and then forces businessmen to change. businessmen and citizens pay the price while Trump claims the credit if there is any. I cannot think of a better deal than this.
 
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think about it. if there is a better alternative, do you think businessmen need government action before they go after it? what Trump does is to destroy the best option available and then forces businessmen to change. businessmen and citizens pay the price while Trump claims the credit if there is any. I cannot think of a better deal than this.
You right, there is no better alternative than Chinese "ecosystem" as of today.
But when humans are forced to adapt, they are quite good in it...
Therefore, if such "war" is only for a short time aka Trump presidency... Then all good, China will get even stronger...
But, if it isn't... Then in the long term, they will dev their markets in other countries and therefore could impact China... By making few little China around the globe that you could profit at ease... No more every eggs in the same basket...

Its a bet... Is it short or not...

But one thing is sure... Short or not both parties will suffer greatly...
 
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You right, there is no better alternative than Chinese "ecosystem" as of today.
But when humans are forced to adapt, they are quite good in it...
Therefore, if such "war" is only for a short time aka Trump presidency... Then all good, China will get even stronger...
But, if it isn't... Then in the long term, they will dev their markets in other countries and therefore could impact China... By making little China around the globe that you could profit at ease...

Its a bet... Is it short or not...

But one thing is sure... Short or not both parties will suffer greatly...
actually commercial companies do not develop markets, certainly not in foreign countries. they participate in the markets. a market is largely developed by government by providing legal guidelines, such laws to protect private properties and contract enforcement, etc.
 
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actually commercial companies do not develop markets, certainly not in foreign countries. they participate in the markets. a market is largely developed by government by providing legal guidelines, such laws to protect private properties and contract enforcement, etc.
They lobby govs to do so...
 
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No. US is only fighting with China, and Russia, and Iran.
Those vassal states are going to be in line with US, Thailand included.
By cutting all ties, US now give China the opportunity to create world order of her own in competition with that of US, the position USSR was given. Soon the Chinese immigration will be slowed, and finally stopped, aja Chinese exclusion act of this century.
Now, this is the opportunity and crisis on the same coin. If China can create an SCO world order into prosperious scientific, economic world division, then the world will be Cold war 2.0: capitalism vs capitalism.
Exactly! Focusing on trade surpluses and deficits is missing the forest for the trees. This is nothing less than the severance of a unified global capitalist system into two different "capitalist" systems. On the China side, the "capitalism" will look very different -- probably more like the mixed socialism (red) capitalism system originally envisaged by Deng in the late 1970s.
 
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When US initiate the trade war, China has no choice but respond. China might come out as loser but all the world nation has been waiting to see a rise nation that can stand up to US and watching that China's respond to US's trade war with great interest: If China withstand US's economic war then no nations on earth will stand at submissive position to US.

Remember this: crisis is equally an opportunity to all Chinese, you Indians will never understand, better stay at your submissive position, you guys are not meant to rule but to be ruled.
Keep this discussion to the trade war. Don’t bring my ethnicity into this debate.

Mortal kombat Pakistani.
 
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China to retaliate against US to defend own interests

By Zhang Hongpei Source:Global Times Published: 2018/7/6 23:18:41

Nation can withstand additional tariffs: expert

China has brought a suit in the WTO against the US on Friday over the latter's imposed tariffs, China's Ministry of Commerce(MOFCOM) said the same day.

No one will win by fighting a trade war, yet China will implement countermeasures against US tariffs, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said on Friday during his official visit to Bulgaria.

China's Foreign Ministry said Friday that China has already begun implementing tariffs on some US goods in response to the 25 percent US tariffs.

The Xinhua News Agency reported that China's additional tariffs on some US products took effect at 12:01 am (Beijing Time) Friday, citing the country's customs authority.

Lu Kang, Foreign Ministry spokesperson, told a regular press briefing on Friday that "if anything, unilateral pressure is futile," adding that any person should not have any illusions. "When China's interests are treated unfairly, it has every reason to fight back," Lu said.

China is forced to take necessary retaliatory measures to defend the nation's core interests and the Chinese people's interests following the US' "largest-scale trade war in history," said a statement on the website of China's Ministry of Commerce.

The statement was posted immediately after the US' scheduled tariffs on $34 billion in Chinese products took effect at 12:01 pm (Beijing Time) Friday.

"The duties are typical bullying behavior, which will have a serious impact on the global industrial and value chain and pose obstacles to global economic recovery," the ministry said.

The duties will affect "innocent" transnational companies, ordinary companies as well as global consumers, it added, noting US enterprises and consumers will also be hurt.

William Zarit, chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China, told the Global Times Friday in a note that "there are no winners in a trade war. Counter-productive import tariffs, such as these, hurt not only the economies of the US and China but those of every country in the world."

Zarit said he is concerned with US firms doing business in China, stressing that "increased tensions between China and the US will negatively impact their operations in China.

"We urge the two governments to return to the negotiating table for productive discussions based on achieving results - focused on fairness and reciprocity- instead of escalating the current situation," Zarit said.

China has promised not to fire the first shot amid the trade row, however, is forced to take retaliatory measures, MOFCOM stressed, adding it will report the situation to the WTO in the hope of defending free trade and the multilateral mechanism.

MOFCOM also noted that China will closely monitor the impact of US tariffs on companies and take measures to help them.

Bai Ming, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, told the Global Times Friday on Friday that "it's hard for further negotiations between China and the US based on the two sides' firm stance."

"China has been sincere in the discussions, while the US has shown none. It even went further," Bai noted.

Lian Ping, an economist with the Bank of Communications, said the impact of US tariffs on China's GDP will be limited. "China can withstand the tariffs even if the US adds more Chinese products on its list."

"As for the markets, the impact is usually strongest between the announcement of the tariffs and their implementation. That means their impact will be weaker after the actual implementation," Lian told the Global Times Friday.
 
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Someone may be the orange man had the idea ... They are not playing with level field .. let me level it... guess what orange man... you charge $200 tariff on 100% of imports and they charge $200 on only 50% of U.S. imports ... U.S. looses! Get it? They just have to make the sum equal to U.S. tariffs. And U.S. companies will be effectively out of the race.
 
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Very good, Apple's mobile phone made by China's Apple Inc. will also be subject to tariffs and exported to the United States. I have no opinion on this.


On the other hand, I hope that the Chinese government will impose an additional 20% VAT on all US companies in China, 17% VAT still works on all European companies and Japanese companies, but new 37% VAT on all US companie in China, either pay taxes or completely withdraw from the Chinese market, any US company that withdraws from the Chinese market will banned from selling its products and services to Chinese market within seven years.

Let us see who lose the most and China gov need fine Americain company for the unfair treaty signed between China and US such as

Unequal Sino-US Wangxia Treaty in 1844
Unequal Sino-US Tianjin Treaty in 1862
Unequal Sino-US Beijing Xinchou Treaty in 1900
Unequal Chinese Kuomintang Sino- US "friendly" trade treaty in1947
, and so on. . .
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For each unequal treaty, the Chinese government should impose a fine of 200 billion U.S. dollars on the U.S. government by freezing the assets of U.S. companies in China.
The US government could be temporarily fined with $1 trillion.

If the US company refuses to pay the fine, China gov will confiscate the equal value assets of the US company in China, just as Mao Zedong confiscated the assets of foreign companies in China in 1949.

If US want to go to war, China does not intend to fight the second Korean War,
because if there is a war, there must be someone to die, but the weak China of 1950 was not afraid of war with the 17 United Nations armies . Today China will absolutely not accept any insult and any rape to China core interests.
China will not take the initiative to provoke war, but if anyone wants to impose a war on the Chinese, the Communist China will make this kind of person pay double price for its provocatuion.

If the United States wants to fight a hot war with the Communist Party’s 1.4 billion people, come on!

 
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Which war? What we got on PDF are dozens of Articles about How "China is winning...China is losing nothing in this war... China is strong... US will Fall...Everyone will become a 3rd World Country except All Mighty China "...

So? No need to be worried then... if Everything is good and Beauty...
OR... Reality and Fantasy...are not the same...in the End...
Chinese and supporters here are confident of winning the trade war but yet seem the most worried.
It's like they are in a echo chamber and are trying to assuage themselves by repeatedly claiming that only USA will suffer.
In contrast if you notice the normally strident Chinese officials and their mouthpieces like the global times are very conciliatory and espousing talks and sagacity.
Bottom line is that the other presidents let the trade deficit with China linger while Trump has no hangups about legacies and similar stuff , and is determined to cut China to size.
Chinas days of forcing other countries and companies to handover their thousands of hours of r&d for market access are over. No more easily copied bullet trains and metro trains and chip companies.
Now you want something , pay for it.
 
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Chinese and supporters here are confident of winning the trade war but yet seem the most worried.
It's like they are in a echo chamber and are trying to assuage themselves by repeatedly claiming that only USA will suffer.
In contrast if you notice the normally strident Chinese officials and their mouthpieces like the global times are very conciliatory and espousing talks and sagacity.
Bottom line is that the other presidents let the trade deficit with China linger while Trump has no hangups about legacies and similar stuff , and is determined to cut China to size.
Chinas days of forcing other countries and companies to handover their thousands of hours of r&d for market access are over. No more easily copied bullet trains and metro trains and chip companies.
Now you want something , pay for it.
1) So, is the world's first quantum communication satellite stolen from the Netherlands? !
2) China did not occupy Indonesia and launched massacres in Indonesia.
List of areas occupied and massacred by the Netherlands (including but not limited to):
Dutch East India (1602-1811, 1816-1949)
China Taiwan (1624-1662)
Ceylon (1658-1796, present Sri Lanka)
Netherlands India (1608-1825)
Coromandel Coast (1608-1825)
Malabar Coast (1663-1795)
Netherlands Bangladesh (1635-1781, 1784-1795)
Malacca (1641-1795, 1802-1807, 1818-1826)
Cape Colony (1652-1797, 1803-1806)
Dutch Guiana (1665-1975)
Netherlands Antilles (1848-2010)
Aruba (1634- )
Arguin Island (1633-1678, 1722-1724)
Belgium (1815-1830)
Berbice (1666-1781, 1784-1796, 1802-1803)
Bonaire (1642- )
Curacao (1634- )
Draga Bay (Mozambique) (1721-1725)
Demerara-Essequibo (1624-1781, 1784-1796, 1802-1803)
Deshima (Dejima) (1641-1860)
The Dutch Gold Coast (1598-1871)
Netherlands New Guinea (1828-1962)
Netherlands West Africa (Angola) (1641-1648)
Dutch West Indies (1828-1848)
German-occupied area of Germany (1949-1963)
Essequibo (1624-1781, 1784-1803)
French Guiana (1660-1664)
Gorée (1617-1663, 1664-1677)
Luxembourg (1815-1890)
Mauritius (1638-1710)
Moluca Islands (Malgu Islands, Northeastern Indonesia) (1621-1949)
New Holland (Netherlands Brazil) (1630-1654)
New Holland (New York) (1653-1664) * New Amsterdam (1623-1664)
New Walcheren (Tobago) (1628-37, 1654-1666, 1667-1672, 1676-1677)
Pomeroon (1657-1689)
Saba (1640- )
Sao Tome Island (1641-1648)
Sint Eustatius (1636- )
Sint Maarten (1648- )
 
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1) So, is the world's first quantum communication satellite stolen from the Netherlands? !
2) China did not occupy Indonesia and launched massacres in Indonesia.
List of areas occupied and massacred by the Netherlands (including but not limited to):
Dutch East India (1602-1811, 1816-1949)
China Taiwan (1624-1662)
Ceylon (1658-1796, present Sri Lanka)
Netherlands India (1608-1825)
Coromandel Coast (1608-1825)
Malabar Coast (1663-1795)
Netherlands Bangladesh (1635-1781, 1784-1795)
Malacca (1641-1795, 1802-1807, 1818-1826)
Cape Colony (1652-1797, 1803-1806)
Dutch Guiana (1665-1975)
Netherlands Antilles (1848-2010)
Aruba (1634- )
Arguin Island (1633-1678, 1722-1724)
Belgium (1815-1830)
Berbice (1666-1781, 1784-1796, 1802-1803)
Bonaire (1642- )
Curacao (1634- )
Draga Bay (Mozambique) (1721-1725)
Demerara-Essequibo (1624-1781, 1784-1796, 1802-1803)
Deshima (Dejima) (1641-1860)
The Dutch Gold Coast (1598-1871)
Netherlands New Guinea (1828-1962)
Netherlands West Africa (Angola) (1641-1648)
Dutch West Indies (1828-1848)
German-occupied area of Germany (1949-1963)
Essequibo (1624-1781, 1784-1803)
French Guiana (1660-1664)
Gorée (1617-1663, 1664-1677)
Luxembourg (1815-1890)
Mauritius (1638-1710)
Moluca Islands (Malgu Islands, Northeastern Indonesia) (1621-1949)
New Holland (Netherlands Brazil) (1630-1654)
New Holland (New York) (1653-1664) * New Amsterdam (1623-1664)
New Walcheren (Tobago) (1628-37, 1654-1666, 1667-1672, 1676-1677)
Pomeroon (1657-1689)
Saba (1640- )
Sao Tome Island (1641-1648)
Sint Eustatius (1636- )
Sint Maarten (1648- )
Stay on topic.
 
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