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Trump administration pressed Dutch hard to cancel China chip-equipment sale: sources

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...f9b142-37fc-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html

The $150 Million Machine With $200 Billion at Stake for China

Huawei Technologies Co. has become very much the U.S.’s whipping boy in the battle to nip China’s technological ascendancy in the bud. President Donald Trump’s administration has slapped sanctions and curbs on the Shenzhen-based company and lobbied allies to do the same. Last month growing resistance against Huawei among lawmakers in Germany’s governing coalition sparked threats of retaliation from the Chinese ambassador.

But what’s happening next door in the Netherlands has higher stakes for China.

There, Beijing’s envoy this week said there will be negative consequences if the Dutch continue to block the export of a single piece of high-tech manufacturing equipment made by ASML Holding NV. According to Reuters, the U.S. has exerted pressure to prevent the sale to a Chinese firm. But it’s not just any machine. It’s a $150 million state-of-the-art apparatus that could ensure Moore’s Law — which says that processing power doubles every 18 months — continues apace, and the microchips powering our smartphones, computers and networks get ever smaller.

Like with Huawei, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo cited intelligence concerns, though Reuters didn’t specify what they are. The Hague subsequently rescinded an export license it had previously granted for the machine.

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Any individual nation state cutting Huawei, the world’s largest networking business, out of the supply chain for its 5G networks will of course be a blow to the Chinese firm. But the impact on China as a whole will be limited. Beijing will still be able to build its own next-generation telecommunication networks, and losing a few exports will have a minor effect on the economy as a whole. Huawei’s sales in Europe, the Middle East and Africa totaled $31 billion in 2018.

A ban on buying machines from ASML is potentially far more significant, because it will hinder China’s ambitious goals to strengthen its super high-tech manufacturing industry.

As far as tech giants go, ASML doesn’t have the global brand cachet of an Apple Inc., Samsung Electronics Co. or Amazon.com Inc. That’s partly because its products are two steps removed from the electronic devices that reside in consumers’ pockets, on their desktops or in their living rooms: ASML builds the machines that make the semiconductors that go into their devices. But it’s one of Europe’s biggest three technology companies, and its top customers include chipmakers Intel Corp., Samsung and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., which is known as TSMC and makes chips for Apple and Huawei alike.

The Dutch firm stands out from rivals Nikon Corp. and Canon Inc. because it’s alone in having mastered an approach known as extreme ultraviolet lithography, which is needed for the manufacture of the next generation of chips. Lithography is the process by which circuit patterns are etched onto silicon wafers, and the EUV process will allow the printing of circuits that are more than 10 times smaller than the current standard.

So you can see why China would be particularly interested in using ASML’s equipment. Although the country is a hub of electronics manufacturing, much of that is simply assembling iPhones, laptops, smart speakers and the like. The underlying tech is often imported, including some $200 billion-worth of semiconductors each year.

Beijing wants to reduce that dependence on imports by investing $150 billion over a decade in an effort to take the lead in technology design and manufacturing. Access to machines made by ASML will be essential to achieving that. By the end of next year, as much as half of TSMC’s revenue will depend at least partly on some EUV processes, according to Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Masahiro Wakasugi. That could be $18 billion worth of chips. TSMC said on Thursday that its deployment of EUV machines was on schedule, advancing at a similar rate to earlier technologies, as it reported earnings that exceeded analyst expectations.

While it could take a decade and more than one EUV machine for Chinese firms such as Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. to rival that, that is clearly the long-term goal. (SMIC is reportedly the company that placed the order at the heart of the current spat.)

Dutch newspaper Het Financieele Dagblad reported last year that ASML was the target of theft by a rival with ties to the Chinese state, though the company later said that any “suggestion that we were somehow victim of a national conspiracy is wrong.” Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink surely doesn’t want to lose China’s business: It’s ASML’s fastest-growing market.

What makes the Dutch move so remarkable is that the U.S. can only unilaterally block sales abroad if components or R&D contributions originating domestically exceed 25% for the relevant product. Here, it seems to have succeeded in leaning on the Dutch government to prevent the sale even though, according to press reports, ASML’s extreme ultraviolet lithography machine doesn’t meet that test. An even greater risk would be that other important suppliers of underlying technology follow suit, whether under U.S. duress or not.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...f9b142-37fc-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html

The $150 Million Machine With $200 Billion at Stake for China

Huawei Technologies Co. has become very much the U.S.’s whipping boy in the battle to nip China’s technological ascendancy in the bud. President Donald Trump’s administration has slapped sanctions and curbs on the Shenzhen-based company and lobbied allies to do the same. Last month growing resistance against Huawei among lawmakers in Germany’s governing coalition sparked threats of retaliation from the Chinese ambassador.

But what’s happening next door in the Netherlands has higher stakes for China.

There, Beijing’s envoy this week said there will be negative consequences if the Dutch continue to block the export of a single piece of high-tech manufacturing equipment made by ASML Holding NV. According to Reuters, the U.S. has exerted pressure to prevent the sale to a Chinese firm. But it’s not just any machine. It’s a $150 million state-of-the-art apparatus that could ensure Moore’s Law — which says that processing power doubles every 18 months — continues apace, and the microchips powering our smartphones, computers and networks get ever smaller.

Like with Huawei, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo cited intelligence concerns, though Reuters didn’t specify what they are. The Hague subsequently rescinded an export license it had previously granted for the machine.

imrs.php

Any individual nation state cutting Huawei, the world’s largest networking business, out of the supply chain for its 5G networks will of course be a blow to the Chinese firm. But the impact on China as a whole will be limited. Beijing will still be able to build its own next-generation telecommunication networks, and losing a few exports will have a minor effect on the economy as a whole. Huawei’s sales in Europe, the Middle East and Africa totaled $31 billion in 2018.

A ban on buying machines from ASML is potentially far more significant, because it will hinder China’s ambitious goals to strengthen its super high-tech manufacturing industry.

As far as tech giants go, ASML doesn’t have the global brand cachet of an Apple Inc., Samsung Electronics Co. or Amazon.com Inc. That’s partly because its products are two steps removed from the electronic devices that reside in consumers’ pockets, on their desktops or in their living rooms: ASML builds the machines that make the semiconductors that go into their devices. But it’s one of Europe’s biggest three technology companies, and its top customers include chipmakers Intel Corp., Samsung and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., which is known as TSMC and makes chips for Apple and Huawei alike.

The Dutch firm stands out from rivals Nikon Corp. and Canon Inc. because it’s alone in having mastered an approach known as extreme ultraviolet lithography, which is needed for the manufacture of the next generation of chips. Lithography is the process by which circuit patterns are etched onto silicon wafers, and the EUV process will allow the printing of circuits that are more than 10 times smaller than the current standard.

So you can see why China would be particularly interested in using ASML’s equipment. Although the country is a hub of electronics manufacturing, much of that is simply assembling iPhones, laptops, smart speakers and the like. The underlying tech is often imported, including some $200 billion-worth of semiconductors each year.

Beijing wants to reduce that dependence on imports by investing $150 billion over a decade in an effort to take the lead in technology design and manufacturing. Access to machines made by ASML will be essential to achieving that. By the end of next year, as much as half of TSMC’s revenue will depend at least partly on some EUV processes, according to Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Masahiro Wakasugi. That could be $18 billion worth of chips. TSMC said on Thursday that its deployment of EUV machines was on schedule, advancing at a similar rate to earlier technologies, as it reported earnings that exceeded analyst expectations.

While it could take a decade and more than one EUV machine for Chinese firms such as Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. to rival that, that is clearly the long-term goal. (SMIC is reportedly the company that placed the order at the heart of the current spat.)

Dutch newspaper Het Financieele Dagblad reported last year that ASML was the target of theft by a rival with ties to the Chinese state, though the company later said that any “suggestion that we were somehow victim of a national conspiracy is wrong.” Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink surely doesn’t want to lose China’s business: It’s ASML’s fastest-growing market.

What makes the Dutch move so remarkable is that the U.S. can only unilaterally block sales abroad if components or R&D contributions originating domestically exceed 25% for the relevant product. Here, it seems to have succeeded in leaning on the Dutch government to prevent the sale even though, according to press reports, ASML’s extreme ultraviolet lithography machine doesn’t meet that test. An even greater risk would be that other important suppliers of underlying technology follow suit, whether under U.S. duress or not.

Typical Rubbish news. Anything can be Chinese build, it’s cheaper to import than R&D.
 
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Typical Rubbish news. Anything can be Chinese build, it’s cheaper to import than R&D.

You don’t realize how the US has slowly successfully lumped China into the same security threat bucket as Russia. This block was a result of a Security threat issue not a competition issue.

The US keeps opening eyes.
 
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New U.S. curb on Huawei in limbo amid pushback from Pentagon: sources
(Reuters) - The U.S. Commerce Department has withdrawn a rule aimed at further reducing sales to China's Huawei Technologies amid concerns from the Defense Department the move would harm U.S. businesses, people familiar with the matter said.

U.S. businesses have pushed back against the measure, arguing that enabling the government to regulate more sales to Huawei to include low-tech items made overseas with very little U.S. technology would end up needlessly hurting American companies while encouraging Huawei to source more goods abroad.

Senators Tom Cotton, Ben Sasse and Marco Rubio, all Republicans on the Select Committee on Intelligence, wrote to Defense Secretary Mark Esper to demand a rationale for the department’s reported objections.
 
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You don’t realize how the US has slowly successfully lumped China into the same security threat bucket as Russia. This was block was a result of a Security threat issue not a competition issue.

The US keeps opening eyes.

The USSR simply cannot managed its economy and it’s tech is the same as USA in the 80s.

What's stopping China from.building their own machine? Is it just delay if anything?
The Dutch has agreed to sell older versions of the machines while the foreign ministry is checking with the Dutch about this. If need China can boycott Holland and see if USA will shell out money for the lost trade.
 
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The Dutch has agreed to sell older versions of the machines while the foreign ministry is checking with the Dutch about this. If need China can boycott Holland and see if USA will shell out money for the lost trade.

My question was, why can't China build this machine?

And, there's no need for China to bully the Dutch if they don't want to sell this to China. Employing an economic boycott would be tantamount to ransom.
 
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My question was, why can't China build this machine?
Well... nobody ever tried making them here, and there are nobody to make them?

Chinese equipment makers for semiconductor fabrication haven't done much besides reactors and deposition tools. Some metrology tooling seem to be made for non-fab usage.

The thing is, there are no country that has full cycle semi tooling. Semiconductor industry has been born global. There was never a single country that had it all.

Any single country hosting a dominant tool maker can break entire industry on a whim. Japanese and Taiwanese champion speciality chemicals. Japanese, Germans and Americans host de-facto monopolists in speciality metrology. Dutch host ASML, and Japanese lower tier stepped makers. USA and Germany host gatekeeper companies for fab automation. Wafer making was never monopolised, but shutting down a single major maker can still shut down $1B+ chunk of the industry. Korean have near monopoly on latest gen AMHS, with Japanese far away on second positions.
 
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Well... nobody ever tried making them here, and there are nobody to make them?

Chinese equipment makers for semiconductor fabrication haven't done much besides reactors and deposition tools. Some metrology tooling seem to be made for non-fab usage.

The thing is, there are no country that has full cycle semi tooling. Semiconductor industry has been born global. There was never a single country that had it all.

Any single country hosting a dominant tool maker can break entire industry on a whim. Japanese and Taiwanese champion speciality chemicals. Japanese, Germans and Americans host de-facto monopolists in speciality metrology. Dutch host ASML, and Japanese lower tier stepped makers. USA and Germany host gatekeeper companies for fab automation. Wafer making was never monopolised, but shutting down a single major maker can still shut down $1B+ chunk of the industry. Korean have near monopoly on latest gen AMHS, with Japanese far away on second positions.

China has Ar-F litho similar to previous gen Japanese tools and etch / deposition chambers.
 
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My question was, why can't China build this machine?

And, there's no need for China to bully the Dutch if they don't want to sell this to China. Employing an economic boycott would be tantamount to ransom.

The question is why isn’t China announcing a new tech which is better than ASML’s. Is Dutch R&D so much better than all of China’s? Why is China constantly a follower instead of an innovator?

This reminds me of all the energy and money China invested to reverse engineer the metallurgy of the fan blades of Western jets. Meanwhile western jet makers switched over to ceramic blades. So all that investment to copy was for nothing. If they had focused on an alternative strategy such as ceramics right at the beginning they probably would have been ahead.

China will spend all this money to reverse engineer ASML’s machine and by the time they do it ASML will announce they are switching over to an entirely new tech.
 
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My question was, why can't China build this machine?

And, there's no need for China to bully the Dutch if they don't want to sell this to China. Employing an economic boycott would be tantamount to ransom.
Because it’s cheaper than doing full R & D (because many Chinese campanies are cheap) and many Chinese companies expect foreign brands to be better quality. If they can’t buy it they will invest into a Chinese brand.
 
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