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China's submarines pose regional, strategic challenges
By Richard D. Fisher Jr.
For the first time since the end of the Cold War, the United States faces a resurgent submarine challenge from a state that is seeking to challenge American pre-eminence in Asia, and likely beyond. China is making a large-scale investment in the building up and sustaining of its submarine force, along with impressive investments in submarine weapons, surface warship, combat aircraft and space assets to complement its submarine force. Since the early World War II Battle of the Atlantic, when Germany's relatively small SSK fleet nearly knocked the U.S. out of the war, the U.S. has never let its strategic interests be so threatened by a foreign submarine fleet.

The submarine pre-eminence enjoyed by the U.S. today requires continued investment in both weapons and personnel, especially given China's determined buildup.

China is building up its People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) not only to achieve regional military dominance in Asia, but also to give Beijing increasing options for the global exercise of military power. For the remainder of this decade, the most important element of the PLAN's buildup will be its nuclear and conventional submarines.

It is noteworthy that current PLAN Commander Adm. Zhang Dingfa is a nuclear submariner. Until the growth of carrier aviation in the next decade, submarines will remain at the core of China's developing naval doctrines, which serve to achieve the strategic objectives of the state.

Through the 1990s, which saw the formation of doctrinal and industrial advances that are now propelling the transformation of the PLAN's submarine force, that force remained wedded to largely defensive naval doctrines and operations in coastal areas. The operational focus that was developed during the 1990s, and which will remain during the medium term, is to prepare for possible conflict to subdue Taiwan, and along with that, prevent the U.S. Navy from defending Taiwan if there is a decision to attack. Initially, the PLAN's goal is to join nuclear submarines (SSNs) and conventional submarines (SSKs) with ships and new aircraft, all equipped with new missiles, to operate in conjunction with PLA Air Force and even new 2nd Artillery ballistic missile forces, to attack enemy ships and their bases. This has led to the development of new classes of submarines and their weapons but has also propelled the PLAN to exploit new information technologies under the doctrinal goal of "informationalization." In addition, with the launching of the PLAN's first second-generation nuclear ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) in June 2004, the submarine force will quickly assume nuclear deterrent and attack missions.

FLEET GROWTH

Of particular concern to the U.S. and its allies is the speed of the PLAN buildup of new modern nuclear and conventional submarines. The PLA Navy submarine force started this decade with about 70 conventional and nuclear submarines and is likely to end the decade with roughly the same number. What is changing is the number of first- and second-generation Type 033 Romeo and Type 035 Mings, which are being replaced in the active force at a nearly 1-for-1 rate by third- and third-plus-generation submarines. According to U.S. government sources, from 2002 to mid-2005 the PLA Navy built 14 submarines. These included the first Type 094 Jin second-generation SSBN, two Type 093 Shang SSNs, the first Yuan-class SSK and 10 Type 039A Song SSKs. In 2006, the PLA Navy is expected to launch its third Shang and will finish taking delivery of eight Russian Kilo 636M SSKs. If this rate is sustained, China could produce and purchase about 40 new submarines this decade.

This acquisition surge follows a substantial investment in submarine development, production and logistic support capability. Nuclear submarine production facilities in Huludao were modernized in the late 1990s to enable the series production of both SSNs and SSBNs that is now underway. In 2003, China started building its new Type 039A Song-class submarines at a second conventional submarine yard at the Jiangshan shipyards Shanghai, while the traditional yard at Wuhan started construction of the new Yuan-class SSK in addition to the Song. For its 2002 order of eight new Kilo 636M submarines, China invested in the revival of two additional Russian submarine yards to accelerate delivery. Foreign sources also note that the PLAN is building up to five "new" submarine bases, though PLA sources note some of these new facilities are expansions of current bases. New foreign technologies, to include modern welding robots from Russia and computer-aided design systems from Europe, have been critical to the success of China's submarine production expansion. There has also been a vigorous exchange in dual-use fuel cell technology between German and Chinese engineers, with many of the latter coming from PLAN institutes.

U.S. sources point to substantial cooperation between Russia and China. The Type 093 has often been described as having performance similar to the Project 671 (Victor III) SSN, and Russia has provided particular assistance to China's naval nuclear propulsion development. In recent years, however, as the prospect of European competition has loomed, Russia has relaxed previous limits on the level of military technology sold to China, and it stands to reason that Russia may be selling China ever more modern nuclear and conventional submarine technologies. In a 2004 unclassified publication, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) projected that the Type 094 SSBN would have a submarine-launched ballistic- missile (SLBM) "farm" that is strikingly similar to that projected for the Russian fourth-generation Project 955 Borei SSBN. This raises the possibility that some Russian fourth-generation submarine technologies are also migrating to China.

NUCLEAR WAR-FIGHTING GROWTH

In June 2004, the PLA launched its first second-generation Type 094 Jin class SSBN. In contrast to the long-gestating and troubled Type 092 Xia-class, the Type 094 is expected to constitute China's first reliable nuclear second-strike force within the next year or two. In the mid-1990s, reports emerged that Russia's Rubin Bureau was assisting China's nuclear submarine effort. It is curious that Rubin is the lead designer for the new Project 955 SSBN, an upgraded version of the Project 667BDRM (Delta IV). ONI has adjusted its projection for the Type 094 from 16 JL-2 SLBMs to 12, the same number as projected for the Project 955. It is variously estimated that China will build four to six new SSBNs.

The buildup and basing of China's second-generation SSBN force will also create strategic pressures for the United States, its friends and its allies. In early 2005, the PLA deployed a Type 091 Han class nuclear attack submarine to its South Sea Fleet base at Yulin, on the southern end of Hainan Island. Some Asian military officials believe that in 2006 the PLAN will begin operations at a new nuclear-submarine base beside Yulin that will become a new base for PLAN SSBNs and SSNs. This base was constructed to give near-immediate access to waters for deep water patrols, which is not possible in the shallow Bohai Gulf, the current base area for the solitary Type 092. But to hit targets in the United States with their new 5,000-plus-nautical-mile-range JL-2 SLBMs, these SSBNs will have to travel between the Philippines and Taiwan. This will mean that the PLAN's focus of operations will shift to the south to support SSBN access, requiring that additional ship and aircraft resources be deployed south.

NUCLEAR ATTACK SUBMARINES

Following a lengthy development program that started in the 1970s, the PLA launched its first second-generation nuclear attack submarine in December 2002. A second was launched in late 2003, with a third under construction, and the first was expected to enter service in 2005. Designated the Shang class by the U.S. Navy and known as the Type 093 in the PLA Navy, it is widely believed to constitute a major technological advance over the first-generation Type 091 Han class SSN. The 2003 Pentagon report on the PLA noted, "The Type 093-class will compare to the technology of the Russian Victor III SSN and will carry wire-guided and wake-homing torpedoes, as well as cruise missiles." However, the only known picture of the Type 093 shows its sail is a consistent development from the Type 091: thin, with diving planes in the U.S. fashion. If the Type 093 were to approach the acoustic performance of the Project 671RTM (Victor III), it would be superior to early SSN 688 Los Angeles class SSNs. Though not as good as the latest SSN 21 Seawolf and SSN 774 Virginia, the Type 093 would constitute a remarkable advance over the widely acknowledged poor acoustic performance of the Type 091.

Barring conjecture that the Type 093 may incorporate unknown elements of Russian fourth-generation nuclear submarines that may further improve its acoustic and combat performance, it can be expected that the PLA will aggressively pursue improvements for the Type 093 or even rapidly develop follow-on classes in the next decade. China can be expected to develop or seek Russian assistance with new large spherical sonar arrays, quieting technologies, propulsors, advanced underwater communications, vertical launch tubes for cruise missiles, and canted torpedo tubes. It is also likely that China will seek to follow the U.S. example and incorporate unmanned underwater vehicles and energy weapons on to its new SSNs.

To replace its more numerous and less sophisticated Type 033- and 035-class conventional attack submarines, the PLA is taking delivery of three new SSK types. The U.S. Navy was reported to have been surprised by the launching of a new type of Chinese SSK at the Wuhan yard in July 2004. Dubbed the Yuan class by the U.S. Navy, it has since been in testing at the Northern Fleet submarine development complex at Qingdao. While the Chinese have released virtually no data on this submarine, many Internet source photos confirm its broad similarity to the new Rubin-class Project 667 Lada/Amur-class SSK, although the Yuan may be similar in size to the larger Kilo. The Yuan exhibits modern anechoic tiling, and the "step" deck that Rubin has used to develop vertical cruise missile launch tubes aft the sail for future versions of the Lada. If, as suspected, there has been substantial Russian input, it would be safe to project that the Yuan also incorporates advanced quieting technologies and better automated combat-and-control systems, and, in the future (if not already) will incorporate new Russian or Chinese-designed air-independent propulsion systems.

Russia already has made a substantial contribution to the PLAN's new submarine capabilities through the sale of 12 Rubin-designed Kilo class SSKs. The first two Project 877EM export models introduced the PLAN to modern SSK technology and led the PLA to order two of the more capable Kilo 636 model. Following initial challenges absorbing these ships, most are now stationed with the East Sea Fleet nearest Taiwan. The latest batch of eight new Kilo 636M submarines appears to be divided between the East Sea Fleet and the South Sea Fleet.

In addition to improvements in quieting and automation, the Kilo 636M also features the Novator Club-S series of three missiles. These include the 220-kilometer-range 3M-54E anti-ship cruise missile, which uses a unique supersonic second stage to defeat close-in weapon system defenses. The 91RE1 fires a purpose-designed lightweight torpedo out to a maximum range of 50 kilometers. And the 3M-14E is a 300-kilometer-range subsonic terrain-following land-attack cruise missile. Russian sources have told the author that China has purchased all three of these missiles for its new Kilos. Also, the Kilos allowed the PLAN to have access to other modern Russian submarine weapons to include their latest homing and wake-homing torpedoes, and new mobile mines. In late 2003, there were Russian press reports of the nation considering selling China the rights to co-produce up to 20 Kilos, a prospect that seems less likely should the Yuan prove successful. However, it cannot be discounted that China may order more Russian-built Kilos, having already invested in substantial production expansion.

The 2002 order for the Kilo is often linked to problems that China had with its Type 039 Song SSK, but its protracted development issues of the 1990s were largely solved by the time the latest Kilo contract was signed. According to a European submarine industry source, the Type 039's problems stemmed from the inability of Israeli consultants to meld disparate foreign technologies. By 2005, however, an estimated 12 to 14 Songs had been launched, with reports noting that at least three more are under construction. And the decision to expand production of this submarine to a second shipyard constitutes a vote of confidence in its design. Since 2004, the PLA has marketed the Type 039, and Pakistan could emerge as an early customer for this type.

Roughly similar in size and appearance to the French Agosta-class SSK, the Type 039 or 039A Song is a clear improvement over the Type 035 Ming, in turn a development of the 1950s Russian Romeo design. The Song uses an Agosta-style sail with diving planes, and Chinese TV coverage shows it makes ample use of digital command-and-control systems, indicating some degree of automation. Internet source photos of Song construction in Shanghai also show it employs sophisticated two-level anechoic covering. The Song is also armed with a sub-launched version of the 40-kilometer-range YJ-81 anti-ship missile, in addition to Chinese-made torpedoes.

While the numbers of Type 033 Romeo and Type 035 Ming SSKs may be declining in the active force, it is possible that many will be retained for training or combat reserve missions. As part of its still-relevant "People's War" doctrines, the PLA is averse to simply discarding weapons that still work, regardless of whether they are obsolete. Some PLAN writers have identified missions for these older submarines to include laying mines, transporting special forces and acting as decoys to expose more capable, but less numerous, U.S. submarines.

REACHING OUT

PLAN submarines typically have not been deployed far from their bases. While there have been rumors for some time of aggressive movements by PLAN submarines during the March 1996 confrontation over Taiwan, the most visible PLA use of its submarines occurred in November 2004. Destroyers and P-3 Orion anti-submarine warfare aircraft of the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force tracked Han-class SSN No. 405 for several hours as it briefly clipped Japanese territorial waters. No. 405 was on its way back from circumnavigating Guam, and apparently had been tracked by the U.S. Navy since it left its Northern Fleet base at Qingdao. Such sorties, designed to test U.S. and Japanese reactions, are likely to become more frequent as the number of new PLAN submarines continues to grow.

In addition, as the focus of its nuclear second-strike capability moves south, it can be expected that Beijing will become more belligerent regarding its territorial claims in the South China Sea. After three decades of a hot-cold military-diplomatic campaign to seize and build up small island bases in the South China Sea, Beijing is now in a lull period. But as it builds up its strategic nuclear presence in Hainan, China will be tempted to undertake military operations to capture Taiwan's island holdings at Itu Aba, the Pratas, and possibly as far as the Peng Hu Islands in the middle of the Taiwan Strait in order to ensure no opposing force can use them to prosecute PLAN SSBNs. China may demonstrate high sensitivity to future U.S. and Japanese naval activities in this region, increasing the chances of naval incidents. The April 2001 EP-3 incident offers just a foretaste of the PLA's resistance should the U.S. move to shadow and contain Hainan-based SSBNs.

Also, before the end of the decade, new Type 093 SSNs are likely to be able to carry out small-scale but politically powerful power-projection missions for the Chinese leadership. This will follow from the expectation that the Type 093 SSN will be the only PLA platform that can carry a version of the PLA's new land-attack cruise missile (LACM) to the world's littoral areas. These LACMs are expected to have a range of 1,000 kilometers to 2,000 kilometers and to be cued and guided by an initial space constellation of imaging and communication, expected to be in place by the end of the decade. It is not inconceivable that by early in the next decade China could be using these LACMs to intervene in distant countries to favor political factions loyal to Beijing.

China's commitment to increasing both the numbers and the capabilities of its submarine forces comes at a time of increasing fiscal constraint for the U.S. Navy's submarine and anti-submarine forces. It has long been reported that budgetary pressures could have dire consequences should U.S. SSN production decline to less than one per year, with SSN numbers seen as falling to between 30 and 40 by the end of the next decade. This would clearly be unacceptable given the global strategic commitments supported by the U.S. submarine fleet and the expected rapid rise in PLAN submarine numbers. Should there be a conflict in which the U.S. would choose to defend Taiwan from Chinese attack, Washington simply may not have sufficient submarines to hold the line long enough. Despite projections of continuing U.S. technical superiority, the nation simply may not be able to withstand a superior number of China's Russian-influenced third- or third-plus-generation submarines.

Other Asian democracies will face pressures from China's submarines. The PLA's 2002 order for eight more upgraded Kilo 636M SSKs sought to match the U.S. 2001 commitment to sell Taiwan eight SSKs. The PLA will have its new submarines by 2006, whereas, because of politics in Taipei, it remains undecided whether or when Taiwan will receive theirs. In addition, barring a significant increase in defense spending, Japan is expected to sustain its fleet of 15 to 16 SSKs. Though modern, and manned by highly professional crews, Japan's submarine fleet would be overwhelmed by the PLAN's sub fleet in the event of a Sino-Japanese war, such as a conflict over resource claims in the East China Sea.

China is going in a big way with its submarine arm and its Navy.

Is it worrisome to strategists around the world?
 
How is China a threat when India is the one massively building up and unchecked??

China's military acquisition is only modest compare to India's.

The submarines are only going to be counter to the massive Indian navy build up (40+ new ship under consruction, 2-3 more aircraft carriers.... and since topic is about submarines let's see what Indian has in store :

"
* 6 Scorpene (Being built by Mazagaon Dock Ltd., Mumbai)
* 6 U-214/Amur[1]/S1000 (Under Development by Russia and Italy)[2]

Nuclear Powered Submarines

* 6 Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) submarine project is still ongoing. (2010) (Being built by the Ship Building Center, Vishakhapatnam) First launch expected in 2007.[3]
* 4 Akula According to many reliable sources it is known that one or two akula submarines will join the forces between 2006 to 2008. India signed a lease/purchase deal with Russia in Moscow in the end of 2005."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy


That's 22 NEW submarines under Indian military acquisition.
So in essence India is the real threat.
 
Indian military build-up threatens South Asia

Contributing Editor Air Marshal (Retd) AYAZ AHMED KHAN opines that India continues to threaten the countries in the region.

Military mischief is the logical consequence of unchecked weapons buildup. India is creating the situation for the fourth war over Kashmir by continuing state terrorism and depredations against the Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir, had Pakistan been as strong in conventional forces and weaponry as India, by now it would have intervened to stop Indian Army&#8217;s and BSF massacres in Held Kashmir. With the ratio of conventional forces in India&#8217;s favour, Pakistan has no choice but to be a silent spectator, while the Indian military continues to decimate Kashmiri Muslims and turn them into a minority in the Occupied State. Indian Army is twice the size of Pakistan Army. Indian armour and artillery strength is about three times that of Pakistan. IAF is twice as large in combat aircraft, but five times larger in state of the art strike aircraft. IN is five times larger than the PN, except that PN&#8217;s submarine fleet is more modern. This imbalance must be redressed.

Pakistan has larger inventory of surface to surface missiles, and the country must safeguard its security and sovereignty by assured nuclear deterrence. Pakistan has more medium range missiles like, Shaheens and Ghoris, but Indian inventory of Prithvi short-range missiles is larger. All the three Indian services have different versions of Prithvi SSMs, which will carry miniaturized nuclear warheads. Indian Navy in terms of surface ships is five times bigger than Pakistan Navy. It has several modern cruisers, destroyers and frigates, which are a serious threat to Pakistan&#8217;s sea lanes, IN&#8217;s submarine fleet with 18 Russian subs is twice as big as PN&#8217;s, but is somewhat obsolete. Indian Navy is currently negotiating purchase of Scorpion &#8212;state of art submarines from France. The IAF has hundreds of heavy lift and gunship helicopters. The PAF has none. Instead Pakistan Army Aviation Corps mans helicopters and AOP aircraft.

Deployment of 400,000 regular troops and 350,000 para-military and police forces in Jammu and Kashmir has serious repercussions for the safety of Kashmiri men, women and children and for Pakistan&#8217;s national security. Indian Army presently has a grip on Pakistan jugular vein, which must be broken at the first opportunity. Besides 42&#37; defence budget hike since 1999, India plans to spend fifty billion US Dollars on the modernization and expansion of its conventional military forces and over ten billion US dollars on its missile and nuclear capability. Besides, plans for huge induction of offensive weapons for the Indian military are in hand. This weapon collection frenzy threatens the security of the entire region.

Defence and Foreign Minister Major Takhur Jaswant Singh went to Moscow on June 5, 2001 to sign the largest ever defence deal with Russia. Indian media has described the new, 6.1 billion dollars weapon deal as, &#8220;a matrix&#8221; for future Indo-Russian strategic cooperation. The agreement includes supply of 310 T-90 main battle tanks. Under an earlier agreement 124 T-90 tanks will be procured from Russian tank formations, while 186 will be licence produced at the DRDO tank factory at Avadi at &#8220;sticker price&#8221; of 800 million dollars. Agreement has also been signed for supply of refurbished aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. Two squadrons &#8212; forty aircraft of the latest Mig-29 K carrier borne fighters have also been negotiated for the Indian Navy. At the meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission for Military-Technological Cooperation Jaswant Singh and Russian Deputy Prime Minister llya Klebanov discussed the modalities of the deal. Licenced production of 140 Su-30 K air superiority fighters at HAL Bangalore was finalized at a cost of $ 3.3 billion. Since 1996, supply of 50 Su-30 K fighters off the shelf has already been negotiated for the Indian Air Force. In ten years time the IAF will have a huge fleet of 190 Su-30 K fighter bombers, able to penetrate deep and attack targets in China and Pakistan. The whole arms package is worth Rs ten thousand crore, a truly staggering amount. Another 6 billion dollars would be spent on the purchase of sixty advanced jet trainers and ten more Mirage 2000 H multirole fighter aircraft.

Pakistan is not in competition with India. But Islamabad cannot ignore 42% increase in Indian defence spending within a short period of two years, and the planned massive reinforcement of Indian military power. South Asia is being destabilized by massive supplies of latest Russian weapons. Supply of Russian 310 T-90 main battle tanks, 190 SU-30-K nuclear strike aircraft, multi-barrel rocket launchers, avionic and weapon technology, India has stoked a weapon race in South Asia. The deployment of Indian Air Force close to Pakistan&#8217;s border, and high priority given to the Indian Air Force viz enhanced budget of Rs 79 billion has implications for Pakistan&#8217;s security. India has developed very close relations with Israel and has placed an order worth Rs 2.07 billion for the purchase of 130 mm Soltam field guns. Billions of Rupees will be spent to buy L I W T - 6 turrets for Arjun tanks from South Africa. Russian and US assistance for major defence projects like the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme, high tech computers and information technology industry, and Indian nuclear programme inspite of the sanctions is to prod India as a bulwark against China. Both Russia and the US have a hand in stoking the weapons race in South Asia.

The government has to take due note of increase in Indian defence budgets and weapon procurement programmes. Pakistan cannot allow this unabated offensive buildup to loom as a dark shadow over the country. Neither can it allow continued Indian occupation of Kashmir, and give a free hand to India to trample under foot the life and honour of Kashmiri men, women and children. The core issue of Kashmir is the main cause for the nuclear and conventional arms race. President General Pervez Musharraf tried very hard to convince India to settle the Kashmir dispute peacefully. But India has rejected his highly logical arguments. Indian resolve to solidify its military occupation of Jammu and Kashmir, be a hegemony in the region is being stoked by the West in general and by US and Russia in particular. Pakistan, regardless of its weak economy has taken on the challenge. The 23 March 2001 Pakistan Day Parade provided enough evidence that Pakistan is ready and is not ignoring possible eventualities arising as a result of armaments buildup across the border. The series production of MBT Al-Khalid proves that Pakistan is not going to be caught napping. But money constraints are so acute, that India is going to gallop in the weapons race, leaving Pakistan well behind. Strategic defence accord with China is the only option left. But Chinese priority is economic development and peaceful

co-existence, and may shy-off from military oriented strategic alliance. US is prodding India to threaten China. United States is also engaged in the military buildup of Taiwan for obvious resons.

In the missile race Pakistan seems to have an edge presently. But this may be lost if full attention is not given to the missile and nuclear programme. Pakistani scientists in a short span of three years have developed a whole range of guided weapons to challenge Indian weapons of mass destruction. Shaheen-I (Hatf IV), Ghauri (Hatf V), and intermediate range Shaheen II (Hatf VI) are an antidote. These launcher mounted SSM systems are highly mobile, and could be deployed anywhere. Exhibiting the untested nuclear armed 2500 Km Shaheen II built by Dr. Summar Mubarakmand had a message for the evil wishers. With both the countries engaged in enlarging their nuclear and ballistic missile armouries, the future of South Asia is becoming darker. India is to be blamed for the missile and nuclear mischief in South Asia. Threatened, Pakistan followed suit quickly, but in this suicidal race there will be no victors.

Pakistan&#8217;s self-reliance programmes have made tremendous headway in recent years. At the Ideas 2000 Arms for Peace exhibition held in Karachi several MBTs including Khalid MBT were put on display. Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) will produce fifty Khalid main battle tanks every year. This is a big achievement for a resourceless country shackled by all kinds of sanctions. It is a great success story considering that Arjun the Indian main battle tank has been under development for twenty five years, and series production is nowhere in sight. Pakistani Khalid is equal if not superior to the Russian T-90 that India is acquiring from Russia. Export of state of the art Khalid MBTs to friendly countries including Peoples Republic of China be pursued vigorously.

MBT Zarrar the updated T-59 MBT with a better engine and Pak made 125 mm gun was greatly admired by armour experts from many countries. Hundreds of MBT Zarrar will be manufactured for the Pakistan Army and other armies in Africa and Asia. Pakistan has already received over 300 much praised Ukrainian T-80 UD main battle tanks. Chinese T-85 MBTs with 125 mm guns are also being manufactured at HIT Taxila, and have been supplied in quantity to Pakistan Army. Pakistan, thus seems to have an edge over India in the race for main battle tanks. But this is an expensive race, and Pakistani economy cannot sustain it.

The PAF&#8217;s professional competence is a guarantor for national defence. With the induction of new fighters like F-7 MP and Super-7, latest radars, beyond visual range weapons, and avionics fitted on Mirages and F-7&#8217;s, PAF is trying to maintain some balance with the adversary air power. PAF&#8217;s excellent fight safety record since three years provides evidence of high professional expertise of this proud service. Indian Air Force has been suffering heavy aircraft losses from fighter aircraft crashes. Sixty IAF fighters have hit the dust during the last three years. One hundred IAF fighters have crashed with fifty pilots killed since 1997. With six IAF squadrons written off during peace time the morale of IAF pilots must be in their boots. Keeping PAF away from the Kargil air war was a mistake. PAF should have taken on the IAF in the Kargil skies to disallow IAF mirages free run on the exposed Kashmiri Mujahidin on Kargil and Drass tops.

Because of the Augusta submarines and new technology weapon systems Pakistan Navy morale is sky high. The Army has trained hard in all spheres of war making, Pakistan now has high technology Armed Forces. Armour, mechanized infantry, artillery, Signals, and Engineers of the Army are equipped with home made tanks, APCs, Baktar Shikan anti tank missiles, medium and long range artillery guns, SAMs, ANZA I and ANZA II shoulder fired missiles. Field air defence radars, radar controlled Ack Ack, satellite controlled anti-jamming signal equipment, Pak made bridging equipment, multi-barrel rocket launchers, gunship helicopters. With the well-trained and highly motivated soldier, sailor and airman the Armed Forces of Pakistan today are in good shape, and are guarantors of national security. And this has happened inspite of cut and freeze of the defence budget. But the production of missiles, aircraft, submarines, armour and allied defence equipment to ensure reasonable balance with the ever growing Indian military might is not possible without large scale funding and investment. And that Pakistan cannot afford. India has triggered a dangerous and wasteful armament race in South Asia. Indian motive could be to bring about Pakistan&#8217;s economic collapse by roping it into a race for weapons. Though Pakistan&#8217;s military build up basically is to check mate growing Indian military preponderance, but it is being caught in a trap from which it may not be able to extricate itself. With 42 billion dollar reserves India has the funds for reckless military spending. With three dollars in the kitty, and 36 billion external debt Pakistan is gasping for breath. Pakistani defence planners are faced with a dilemma. How to avoid the arms race that India, yet maintain defence preparedness in the face of weak economy? Putting the economy on track is General Musharraf&#8217;s first priority. A new economic and military strategy needs to be evolved to reuse Pakistan from economic collapse, yet be able to field its nuclear deterrent and conventional capability successfully. The strategic military in South Asia will get out of hand, if the world community keeps its eyes shut to India&#8217;s unilateral military buildup. The United States as the sole superpower cannot shirk its responsibility to keep Bharat&#8217;s hegemonic ambitions in check. The U.S. must play its role to restrain Indian military and nuclear buildup.

http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/october/military.htm
 
Chill dude. India doesn't plan to invade Pakistan anytime soon.

Gunboat diplomacy? Perhaps.
 
How is China a threat when India is the one massively building up and unchecked??

China's military acquisition is only modest compare to India's.

The submarines are only going to be counter to the massive Indian navy build up (40+ new ship under consruction, 2-3 more aircraft carriers.... and since topic is about submarines let's see what Indian has in store :

"
* 6 Scorpene (Being built by Mazagaon Dock Ltd., Mumbai)
* 6 U-214/Amur[1]/S1000 (Under Development by Russia and Italy)[2]

Nuclear Powered Submarines

* 6 Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) submarine project is still ongoing. (2010) (Being built by the Ship Building Center, Vishakhapatnam) First launch expected in 2007.[3]
* 4 Akula According to many reliable sources it is known that one or two akula submarines will join the forces between 2006 to 2008. India signed a lease/purchase deal with Russia in Moscow in the end of 2005."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy


That's 22 NEW submarines under Indian military acquisition.
So in essence India is the real threat.

errr dude just one point......The ATV has awhile to go i think....2007 already and it's no-where to be seen. If it follows the pathway of other homegrown products don't hold your breath......
The Akula rumour has been going around for a while too and not a sign of it in the last few years...
 
How is China a threat when India is the one massively building up and unchecked??

China's military acquisition is only modest compare to India's.

The submarines are only going to be counter to the massive Indian navy build up (40+ new ship under consruction, 2-3 more aircraft carriers.... and since topic is about submarines let's see what Indian has in store :

"
* 6 Scorpene (Being built by Mazagaon Dock Ltd., Mumbai)
* 6 U-214/Amur[1]/S1000 (Under Development by Russia and Italy)[2]

Nuclear Powered Submarines

* 6 Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) submarine project is still ongoing. (2010) (Being built by the Ship Building Center, Vishakhapatnam) First launch expected in 2007.[3]
* 4 Akula According to many reliable sources it is known that one or two akula submarines will join the forces between 2006 to 2008. India signed a lease/purchase deal with Russia in Moscow in the end of 2005."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy


That's 22 NEW submarines under Indian military acquisition.
So in essence India is the real threat.

Overseer,

Your view is too narrow and you apparently don't understand geo strategy.

China does not bother about India. It is US centric.

Think BIG!

Cast your myopic hate overboard.
 
Overseer,

Your view is too narrow and you apparently don't understand geo strategy.

China does not bother about India. It is US centric.

Think BIG!

Cast your myopic hate overboard.

Are you talking about yourself ?? Your narrow minded view and myopic hatre of Chinese is astounding.

You are the one here perpetrating Chinese threat and sinophobic fear. If China does not bother India like you said, why are you so intent on perpetrating such unfounded sinophobic fear??

Secondly, please list me new ships and submarines China has been acquiring, NOW compare it to the current list of 22 submarines and 40+ advanced warships and 3 aircraft carriers India is acquiring. So who's the biggest threat here? Isn't India acquiring far more advanced arsenals in every categories and in far greater number than China??? What exactly is India's naked ambition?? India has the largest navy in all of Asia (possibly rivaling Russia) and it is still building up, ask yourself, why is your country constituting 44&#37; of the world's poor, is acquiring the most aggressive military expansion the world has ever seen??

So, please cast your racist hatre somewhere else. All I see is your hypocrisy of pot calling a kettle black. If you want to talk about China threat, take a look at yourself in the mirror and talk about yourself first. That's all I am asking.
 
errr dude just one point......The ATV has awhile to go i think....2007 already and it's no-where to be seen. If it follows the pathway of other homegrown products don't hold your breath......
The Akula rumour has been going around for a while too and not a sign of it in the last few years...


Keysersoze, whether their aggressive acquisition programs are proceeding or delaying is besides the point, they are aggressively acquiring them shows their INTENT and PURPOSE. That's geopolitics. They will get those weapons eventually, and that is the threat.
 
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