Top Secret Indian Government documents sneaked into by Chinese hackers

[Chill Bihari]

@pop also
I am not sure whether u are actually an Indian ,but if u are ,I must say u are doing a commendable job.People of our country needs to develop a habit of seeing the world w/o their rosy glasses and eat the pill w/o sugar coating.
But the way u have presneted ur posts it leaves no scope of doubt that u actually belong to the 50 cents group.

 

[pop_alsa]

@pop also
I am not sure whether u are actually an Indian ,but if u are ,I must say u are doing a commendable job.

Thank you.

But the way u have presneted ur posts it leaves no scope of doubt that u actually belong to the 50 cents group.

Well then, Ex-chairman of Infosys(Narayana Murthy) also belongs to 50 Cents, because he believes that China is far ahead of India? LOL.

China is 20 years ahead of India in economic development as well as technical maturity of its industries.

So, China doesn't really need 50 cents. But Indians are actually doing a favour to China by keeping themselves stuck with 50 cents.

Its a win-win for both, 50 cents feeds silly egos of Indians and China is silently progressing ahead.

Frankly speaking, Indians doesn't have enough courage to face the reality. So, they keep subscribing to conspiracy theories because it helps legitimize their fear of China and shows them as victims(innocents) in an effort to seek higher moral ground above China.

Even today, most Indians are embarrassed to accept that China is far ahead of India.

Indians should learn tobe humble and be pragmatic towards China rather than being jealous and arrogant.

 

[durgs360]

@ popalso
I dont understand your logic. If you love China so much why hide behind Indian flag? Why cant put your own flag ? And Narayan Murthy doesnt post anti India propaganda on this forum. Chinese members do. So my strong feeling is that you survive on 50 cents your masters pay you. You are so fake, just like the goods you manufacture !!

 

[faisaljaffery]

If its true then its very shameful for the indian government that they didnt ensured high level security of the sensitive data regarding their defence. and if its wrong then the times of india should be banned on publishing such ridiculous news

 

[mohit]

haha..no you're not ahead and i'm sorry to burst your bubbles..

SOFTWARE INDUSTRY PERFORMANCE IN INDIA AND CHINA
Stanley Nollen
Georgetown University
McDonough School of Business
Washington DC USA

full report here: *ttp://www.ris.org.in/India_Globalisation_Software%20in%20India%20and%20China_Stanley%20Nollen.pdf


The Indian software industry is the world’s leading exporter of software services and among the
world’s fastest growing software industries. The Chinese software industry is equally as large as
the Indian industry – maybe larger – and equally fast growing, but it is mainly oriented to the
domestic market.

The Indian software industry is predominantly a software services industry while the Chinese
software industry is more evenly balanced between products and services...Most of the
Indian software services consisted of production of customized software from project-based
engagements with clients. Much of this work consists of programming, testing, and maintenance,
and in total probably more than three-quarters of Indian software services production is at the low
end of the knowledge capital continuum.

In China, services accounted for less than half of Chinese software industry revenue according to
some sources (NASSCOM..and China Center for Information Development..)
...Chinese software products consist mostly of systems software, middleware, and applications software.


English is spoken by all educated Indians but not by all educated Chinese, and that is an often
cited reason why India is a major software exporter and China is not. The largest market for
software exports by far is the English-language speaking United States.


Technology has not been critical to the development of the Indian software industry. Indian
software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in technology inputs and outputs, but that
lag hasn’t hampered the Indian industry’s growth. Fewer Indian than Chinese software firms
have R&D expenditures, and those that do spend less. This result is due only in part to the
greater concentration of software services rather than products firms in the Indian industry –
software products firms are more likely to have R&D expenditures than software services firms.
In addition, Indian software firms introduce fewer new products than Chinese software firms.
Until very recently, the software business wasn’t an especially high technology business.
Advanced technology was not the basis on which firms competed, especially for software
services. The export business was mostly customized software services, much of which was
low-end entry level work for which neither R&D nor new product introductions were important.

Indian software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in both technology inputs and
outputs, but this weakness was not critical for most of the work done by Indian customized
software services firms.



China's software industry revenues, January to December 2009

Revenue (RMB bln) Y-o-y change (%)
Software products 328.8 ($48.13billion) 26.3
Software services 212.63 ($31.12billion) 31.4
Of which: software outsourcing 30.7($4.49billion) 35
System integration software 220.29 ($32.24billion) 23.7
Embedded software 167.36 ($24.50billion) 22.1
IC design software 22.22 ($3.25billion) 10.1
Software exports $18.5 billion 14
Of which: software outsourcing $2.4billion 15
Industry total 951.3($139.24billion) 25.6

Source: MIIT
*ttp://tmt.interfaxchina.com/news/2609

We are waaaaaay ahead than you are or ever will be. So stop enjoying China's success.. try to get some on your own (if that ).. what a pity..

 

[mohit]

answering phone calls and customizing database apps is not = IT power..don't fool yourself, indians.

Here is a good one for ya... Indian economy is growing at an annual rate of 10 percent.. how are you guys doing?

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Thank you.



Well then, Ex-chairman of Infosys(Narayana Murthy) also belongs to 50 Cents, because he believes that China is far ahead of India? LOL.

China is 20 years ahead of India in economic development as well as technical maturity of its industries.

So, China doesn't really need 50 cents. But Indians are actually doing a favour to China by keeping themselves stuck with 50 cents.

Its a win-win for both, 50 cents feeds silly egos of Indians and China is silently progressing ahead.

Frankly speaking, Indians doesn't have enough courage to face the reality. So, they keep subscribing to conspiracy theories because it helps legitimize their fear of China and shows them as victims(innocents) in an effort to seek higher moral ground above China.

Even today, most Indians are embarrassed to accept that China is far ahead of India.

Indians should learn tobe humble and be pragmatic towards China rather than being jealous and arrogant.

no proof, all rant....no need, thank you...

you are the saviour of 50 cent on this forum or what...what is true is true...and 50 cent views are only for fun...

 

[democracyspeaks]

So, why your Indian Government is acting sissy? You don't have skills to hack into China? Who is stopping you then?

What do you mean by "YOUR INDIAN GOVENMENT" arent you an indian? neways as i said its a cat and mouse game and chinese servers are the easiiest in the world, but clearly you lack knowledge regarding systems security, so you wont know how things work.

I agree. That will be narrow minded to judge China based on Western research reports. Indians have own brains too. But they don't use them, but just ape the western reports.

Who said Indians dont use them, I guess you dont or may be you are having two many wet dreams.

IBM is not Indian company.

Wait a minute, are you "USA is my daddy" type Indian?

Ofcourse IBM is not an Indian company but they are the grandaddies of Mainframes and not the chinese mainframe companies I doubt the chinese even have their own mainframe designed.

Are you "China & Pakistan" is my daddy kinds (wow no wonder you write such crap)

First learn to secure your own Indian servers. Then lecture your American daddy on security.

No matter how much you secure there will always be breakins from both sides, you still havent understood the cat and mouse chase game, so you wont understand.
Read about Titan rain and then speak.

And, maybe you should outsource Indian cyber security to Western agencies, who know better about Indian Defense systems, than Indians themselves?

Its a dual process and happening but again you wont know it.

Well, I agree on that last part. American hackers will open new firms and hire 100 of your types to serve American needs. I am sure, you are ready to serve.

we are mass producing good security experts so nothing wrong in earning extra bucks unlike you whoz hiding behind Indian flag and criticising Indian expertise and that too with ZERO knowledge.

Grow up kid.

 

[Kinetic]

answering phone calls and customizing database apps is not = IT power..don't fool yourself, indians.

Funniest answer on the PDF!!!!

You don't know anything about Indian IT industry!!! But you still have support China blindly!!! Go and learn first how many R&D centres are there in Bangalore only compared to the whole China. Aall the major IT companies from the world have their R&D centres in India.

Don't make people laugh on you next time. Support China but don't do it blindly.

 

[Sanchez]

Funniest answer on the PDF!!!!

You don't know anything about Indian IT industry!!! But you still have support China blindly!!! Go and learn first how many R&D centres are there in Bangalore only compared to the whole China. Aall the major IT companies from the world have their R&D centres in India.

Don't make people laugh on you next time. Support China but don't do it blindly.

So what is Indian IT industry? Software packaging? Programming? Your IT revenue is hardly one third of Chinese IT industry. It looks great because that's about the brightest industrial service you've got. Pathetic!

 

[Kinetic]

So what is Indian IT industry? Software packaging? Programming? Your IT revenue is hardly one third of Chinese IT industry. It looks great because that's about the brightest industrial service you've got. Pathetic!

Your way of argument doesn't make any sense. If the overall volume of the industry is the way to decide which one has better technology than China has better technology than Germany, UK or Japan because Chinese economy is bigger!!! But China is no where near to UK, Germany or Japan in terms of technology. Indian IT industry is way more advanced than China. We have next generation chip design centres to every types of software and network design and developments centres. For the sake of your argument, India's IT export is three times than that of China, does that mean Indian IT is better!!! I don't think you will agree here. Volume doesn't matters but what you are actually doing.

 

[liteon]

I see some Indians still living in denial..haha

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SOFTWARE INDUSTRY PERFORMANCE IN INDIA AND CHINA
Stanley Nollen
Georgetown University
McDonough School of Business
Washington DC USA

full report here: *ttp://www.ris.org.in/India_Globalisation_Software%20in%20India%20and%20 China_Stanley%20Nollen.pdf


The Indian software industry is the world’s leading exporter of software services and among the
world’s fastest growing software industries. The Chinese software industry is equally as large as
the Indian industry – maybe larger – and equally fast growing, but it is mainly oriented to the
domestic market.

The Indian software industry is predominantly a software services industry while the Chinese
software industry is more evenly balanced between products and services...Most of the
Indian software services consisted of production of customized software from project-based
engagements with clients. Much of this work consists of programming, testing, and maintenance,
and in total probably more than three-quarters of Indian software services production is at the low
end of the knowledge capital continuum.

In China, services accounted for less than half of Chinese software industry revenue according to
some sources (NASSCOM..and China Center for Information Development..)
...Chinese software products consist mostly of systems software, middleware, and applications software.


English is spoken by all educated Indians but not by all educated Chinese, and that is an often
cited reason why India is a major software exporter and China is not. The largest market for
software exports by far is the English-language speaking United States.


Technology has not been critical to the development of the Indian software industry. Indian
software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in technology inputs and outputs, but that
lag hasn’t hampered the Indian industry’s growth. Fewer Indian than Chinese software firms
have R&D expenditures, and those that do spend less. This result is due only in part to the
greater concentration of software services rather than products firms in the Indian industry –
software products firms are more likely to have R&D expenditures than software services firms.
In addition, Indian software firms introduce fewer new products than Chinese software firms.
Until very recently, the software business wasn’t an especially high technology business.
Advanced technology was not the basis on which firms competed, especially for software
services. The export business was mostly customized software services, much of which was
low-end entry level work for which neither R&D nor new product introductions were important.

Indian software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in both technology inputs and
outputs, but this weakness was not critical for most of the work done by Indian customized
software services firms.



China's software industry revenues, January to December 2009

Revenue (RMB bln) Y-o-y change (%)
Software products 328.8 ($48.13billion) 26.3
Software services 212.63 ($31.12billion) 31.4
Of which: software outsourcing 30.7($4.49billion) 35
System integration software 220.29 ($32.24billion) 23.7
Embedded software 167.36 ($24.50billion) 22.1
IC design software 22.22 ($3.25billion) 10.1
Software exports $18.5 billion 14
Of which: software outsourcing $2.4billion 15
Industry total 951.3($139.24billion) 25.6

Source: MIIT
*ttp://tmt.interfaxchina.com/news/2609

 

[Pride]

Such type of BS articles will come in the future as well..and mind you will all be reported by US and its associated countries...
This article is less researched and can be used only for defamation of China in current world arena..

 

[Pride]

I see some Indians still living in denial..haha

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SOFTWARE INDUSTRY PERFORMANCE IN INDIA AND CHINA
Stanley Nollen
Georgetown University
McDonough School of Business
Washington DC USA

full report here: *ttp://www.ris.org.in/India_Globalisation_Software%20in%20India%20and%20 China_Stanley%20Nollen.pdf


The Indian software industry is the world’s leading exporter of software services and among the
world’s fastest growing software industries. The Chinese software industry is equally as large as
the Indian industry – maybe larger – and equally fast growing, but it is mainly oriented to the
domestic market.

The Indian software industry is predominantly a software services industry while the Chinese
software industry is more evenly balanced between products and services...Most of the
Indian software services consisted of production of customized software from project-based
engagements with clients. Much of this work consists of programming, testing, and maintenance,
and in total probably more than three-quarters of Indian software services production is at the low
end of the knowledge capital continuum.

In China, services accounted for less than half of Chinese software industry revenue according to
some sources (NASSCOM..and China Center for Information Development..)
...Chinese software products consist mostly of systems software, middleware, and applications software.


English is spoken by all educated Indians but not by all educated Chinese, and that is an often
cited reason why India is a major software exporter and China is not. The largest market for
software exports by far is the English-language speaking United States.


Technology has not been critical to the development of the Indian software industry. Indian
software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in technology inputs and outputs, but that
lag hasn’t hampered the Indian industry’s growth. Fewer Indian than Chinese software firms
have R&D expenditures, and those that do spend less. This result is due only in part to the
greater concentration of software services rather than products firms in the Indian industry –
software products firms are more likely to have R&D expenditures than software services firms.
In addition, Indian software firms introduce fewer new products than Chinese software firms.
Until very recently, the software business wasn’t an especially high technology business.
Advanced technology was not the basis on which firms competed, especially for software
services. The export business was mostly customized software services, much of which was
low-end entry level work for which neither R&D nor new product introductions were important.

Indian software firms lag behind their Chinese counterparts in both technology inputs and
outputs, but this weakness was not critical for most of the work done by Indian customized
software services firms.



China's software industry revenues, January to December 2009

Revenue (RMB bln) Y-o-y change (%)
Software products 328.8 ($48.13billion) 26.3
Software services 212.63 ($31.12billion) 31.4
Of which: software outsourcing 30.7($4.49billion) 35
System integration software 220.29 ($32.24billion) 23.7
Embedded software 167.36 ($24.50billion) 22.1
IC design software 22.22 ($3.25billion) 10.1
Software exports $18.5 billion 14
Of which: software outsourcing $2.4billion 15
Industry total 951.3($139.24billion) 25.6

Source: MIIT
*ttp://tmt.interfaxchina.com/news/2609

Thanks sir, If you think that we Indian live in denial.. But discussing Apples and Oranges are not the same:-

1) China is having a large domestic market for software as there are less english speaker and hence they can't use globally accepted Softwares and hence need for domestic software development is mandatory. This is the same case with India for FMCG/Manufacturing industry we produce and consume ourselves and this is the reason we were least affected by Economic slowdown.

2) China is a main manufacturing outsourced country it means they get all design from US and other country and they develop the same on less cost(Read all laptops come from China.. mine too). This is the main reason they need to develop embedded software and software manuals for these products. Hence Mr Sanchez's packaging case is applicable here as well. India does the same in case of IT, It mainly maintains, support and sell it to global giants.. not to forget India and China both have R&D centers for IT and Manufacturing respective.

3) When we say IT industry in India, we consider only IT and ITes ( BPO) and not consider many cases like Biotech, Bioagro, Medical Transcription etc which again require software support and service..

 

[liteon]

truth hurts..i know. after a very long time brainwashed..i don't think anyone can accept it just yet..