Top 10 Richest Countries in 2050 according to Citibank

[KRAIT]

You suffer from some serious downplaying issues, and lack of knowledge of the US armory. I think you're just riding the feel good "west is going down" train. No offense.

Just read your post. Do I downplay US armory ? I am big fan of US armory. Leave aside the numbers, I love its technological advancement.

Having said that, I think Euro-Crisis has affected Europe a lot, they are not down but they are not progressing wither at relative rate. They can't afford war with country of size of China.

US has its economical and social problem too. I think you know more than me.

I am talking about entire scenario, can US afford to go against China in its current economic condition, it will be a Suicide. Militarily, don't say you won't have significant loss.

Look from all angles buddy. Vietnam is not even century old war. Approach to this notion from all the angles. Also count in Russia factor too.

We are not playing Poker, if we you have bigger hand (better technology and huge in number ), you will win. Even if you are playing it, Bluffing (Deception, lack of intelligence about China's abilities) still can make you fold.

 

[Plexyre]

Putting aside the trolling from timetravel, I'll answer some interesting points from the OP's post.

1) I did not know Hong Kong and Taiwan will be countries in 2050

2) Assuming that South Korea does not unite with North Korea before 2050 and get saddled with the costs of providing for it.

3) Japan is not on the list? And Austria is?
It would be more accurate to replace Austria with Australia because Australia gets so much money from selling mineral wealth (in fact Australia is one of the fastest growing developed economies today), just as Saudi Arabia gets so much wealth from selling oil.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

From a Nobel laureate: Why China's Economy Will Grow to $123 Trillion by 2040 - By Robert Fogel | Foreign Policy

In 2040, the Chinese economy will reach $123 trillion, or nearly three times the economic output of the entire globe in 2000. China's per capita income will hit $85,000, more than double the forecast for the European Union, and also much higher than that of India and Japan. In other words, the average Chinese megacity dweller will be living twice as well as the average Frenchman when China goes from a poor country in 2000 to a superrich country in 2040. Although it will not have overtaken the United States in per capita wealth, according to my forecasts, China's share of global GDP -- 40 percent -- will dwarf that of the United States (14 percent) and the European Union (5 percent) 30 years from now. This is what economic hegemony will look like.

This is a view of 2 years ago, maybe now he is thinking differently...

 

[timetravel]

That's what I essentially said. They had chance even after 1962. Leave 1962 if you want to.

you are overestimating China and downgrading India if you say so, because you mean that it was China's good will otherwise China could have taken large parts of India.

Now this is totally in-objective and untrue. China was in no position to hold AP in 62, and since then China has been in a relative decline in its ability to harm India. The graph has gone downwards for China since then. India took Sikkim and India hold off China on many times in other border conflicts. China was never in a position to take any lands from India during or primarliy as you say after 62.

Chinese best chance happened to be 62 and that too happened bcoz of neglect of IA by Nehru and the element of surprise and deception. Otherwise even then with some good leaders China would not have managed to even enter AP.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

This is a view of 2 years ago, maybe now he is thinking differently...

Like other posters have said, this is too far away to forecast accurately. If someone makes a guess about 2020, there would probably be a bit of accuracy in it. Even then I'm sure the predictions won't be 100% true.

 

[chauism]

you are overestimating China and downgrading India if you say so, because you mean that it was China's good will otherwise China could have taken large parts of India.

Now this is totally in-objective and untrue. China was in no position to hold AP in 62, and since then China has been in a relative decline in its ability to harm India. The graph has gone downwards for China since then. India took Sikkim and India hold off China on many times in other border conflicts. China was never in a position to take any lands from India during or primarliy as you say after 62.

Chinese best chance happened to be 62 and that too happened bcoz of neglect of IA by Nehru and the element of surprise and deception. Otherwise even then with some good leaders China would not have managed to enter AP.

Sometimes I feel you and Sinochallenge are twins somehow.

 

[Audio]

If US is on the offensive, I'm sure China will win. USA is the only country which can deploy a huge number of troops overseas, but their deployment is not nearly large enough to negate the Chinese numerical advantage. Look at the 2003 invasion of Iraq. They had support from UK (they gave their island in Indian Ocean to USA), Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the majority of the Arab World, and faced such a huge list of deployment issues, that I can take hours to type it out.

What deployment issues? They steamrolled over everything. What more would you ask? ofcourse there was room for improvement, there always is, but end result is what it is.

Also in regards to numerical advantage, many weapons dating as far as the cold war were designed specifically with Soviet numerical advantage in mind, in other words it not a new thing, saturation type attack also isn't something unknown, it was as far as forum talk goes the only viable tactic the Soviet naval commanders came up with and even then they estimated that for a sure kill they would have to use tactical nuclear warheads on antiship missiles.
There isn't any numerical advantage in modern equipment, only maybe in old T-55 and MiG-21 knockoffs and ofcourse, manpower.

Against China, this will be worse, because no one would offer support (afraid of retaliation from China)

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Everyone is gonna gang up to aquire a piece of rocks they never had before. In fact, China's list of quite not friendly neighbours seems to be growing.

They destroyed Iraq for the sake of Kuwait (or rather, for the sake of oil).

Every GCC nation asked for it, provided support and done some liberating too. Additionally, Saddam was heavily indebted then, he planned to add Kuwait's output as a means to finance his debts from the Iran fiasco. Can't have robbers running around annexing countries, can we?

 

[KRAIT]

Im not American, i can only discuss from an abstract point of view of a westerner. Ron Paul had some good ideas, yes, some were just wacko. Not offended

Dont really feel like starting a doomsday thread. Im more of a "latest scientific breakthrough" thread starter type.

Wacko...good one.....Agreed from your western POV.

I don't believe in doomsday thread which most of the thread becomes when Indians and Pakistanis start launching nukes at each other. As for technological advancement, is US ahead, yes they are, but can we ignore China, no we can't.

Look at any top university's site and Post Graduate candidates, Chinese and Indians everywhere. Now China govt. is offering lucrative packages to bring those PhD degree holder from MIT/Caltech/UCLA etc. back to their country while more number of US students opting not to go to college.

What US/UK is essentially doing is giving top notch education and experience in world class R&D facilities to these foreign students and loose them eventually as they return back, taking this it back home. Now you have less number of researchers from your country. There is the problem. That's how they are and will reduce the gap.

 

[timetravel]

Sometimes I feel you and Sinochallenge are twins somehow.

what is your problem dude. if you have any thing to contribute or proof that China can capture large parts of India and HOLD during 62 or afterwards why don't you discuss? All I see is ur *** burning if someone says something for China you don't like. grow up.

and if I say nice sweet things bout China you dont care even if I exaggerate and accept it all gleefully.

as a matter of fact after 62 India has managed to capture Sikkim. What have you Chinese achieved since 62 apart from withdrawing shamefully from AP also and then begging for same for next 6 decades? and you want to talk about capturing large parts of India.

and nowadays you have some problems with accepting Sikkim also and back then you also wanted to fight India on Sikkim but couldn't do anything and stop India from taking it.

 

[chauism]

what is your problem dude. if you have any thing to contribute or proof that China can capture large parts of India and HOLD during 62 or afterwards why don't you discuss? All I see is ur *** burning if someone says something for China you don't like. grow up.

as a matter of fact after 62 India has managed to capture Sikkim. What have you Chinese achieved since 62 apart from withdrawing shamefully from AP also and then begging for same for next 6 decades? and you want to talk about capturing large parts of India.

I have discussed those issues with many Indian members with a reasonable and knowledgable mind like Joe Shearer before. Go look for yourself.

 

[ChinaToday]

This is a view of 2 years ago, maybe now he is thinking differently...

How do you know he is thinking differently? did he tell you

 

[Audio]

Wacko...good one.....Agreed from your western POV.

I don't believe in doomsday thread which most of the thread becomes when Indians and Pakistanis start launching nukes at each other. As for technological advancement, is US ahead, yes they are, but can we ignore China, no we can't.

Look at any top university's site and Post Graduate candidates, Chinese and Indians everywhere. Now China govt. is offering lucrative packages to bring those PhD degree holder from MIT/Caltech/UCLA etc. back to their country while more number of US students opting not to go to college.

What US/UK is essentially doing is giving top notch education and experience in world class R&D facilities to these foreign students and loose them eventually as they return back, taking this it back home. Now you have less number of researchers from your country. There is the problem. That's how they are and will reduce the gap.

There's this dream you guys have that all of you will be middle class with 50k $ gdp per capita. US had the same. Look where they are now, economically speaking.

In regards to the researchers leaving, how would you stop knowledge from spreading? I mean, what's classified in most cases doesn't get out. And science how to feed a billion people with genetically altered plants for example, i find it pretty harmless to share.

College grounds are a brainwashing machine anyhow, US especially, so i wonder what else those students will bring home.

 

[terranMarine]

@Krait
Many Europeans think America can easily destroy China, no news here they are that brainwashed by hollywood movies. I wouldn't take Audio's opinion too seriously. Some European even wrote on a forum that China teaming up with India will be no match for UK and France's nuclear arsenal and that we can't beat them. Western people generally think they are some kind of uber race, can you blame them as they turned many countries around the world into colonies in the past.

 

[timetravel]

I have discussed those issues with many Indian members with a reasonable and knowledgable mind like Joe Shearer before. Go look for yourself.

and did the debate conclude that China could take large parts of India. I dont think so. you must have lost the arguments there also. I dont need to look where the sun rises from if ccp says it rises from west. Similarly to this it is equally clear that ccp could never capture any Indian lands after 62 and in 62 also they could only enter and not hold.

 

[terranMarine]

It's getting way off topic here people. Discussions about a possible nuclear war and the 62 war between China and India just don't fit in this thread. Look 38 years from now is still far in the future, too many factors to make predictions. Who would have guessed about the American financial crisis involving Lehman and Madoff? Who would have thought the Euro zone is now having a major crisis?