Tonbo Imaging products In the hands of the users

[Water Car Engineer]

Finally, we're seeing more and more orders to these small, yet very specialized private sector players.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Good development

 

[Han Patriot]

Nice to see a punjabi who you all killed on the streets of Delhi selling stuff.

Tonbo is a stanford uni spin off which some Indians bought. Not even sure if it's made in India or China.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Tonbo is a stanford uni spin off which some Indians bought. Not even sure if it's made in India or China.

The founders bought themselves out. Watch the end, he says the IP is Indian, made in their Banglore facility. Nice try.

 

[Han Patriot]

The founders bought themselves out. Watch the end, he says the IP is Indian, made in their Banglore facility. Nice try.

Assembled or made? Who are the founders btw? Are you sure the IP is not licensed from Stanford? Just asking.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Assembled or made? Who are the founders btw? Are you sure the IP is not licensed from Stanford?

No, they bought themselves out in 2008, most of their products are made after that. They are made, the IP is their own, designed by them. Without Arvind Lakshmikumar, main founder, this company wouldnt have gone anywhere.

 

[Han Patriot]

No, they bought themselves out in 2008, most of their products are made after that. They are made, the IP is their own. Without Arvind Lakshmikumar, main founder, this company wouldnt have gone anywhere.

Interesting to find 3 out of 5 board members are foreigners and check google image, the Bangalore facility is just this crappy shared office.

1) My question, what is the ownership structure. When you said management buyout, who is the management?
2) Why are they 3 foreigners in the board members?
3) Are the equipment really Made in India, or are they 'system engineers'? I suspect equipment are assembled from Chinese and American components.
4) Are they listed as a foreign company or Indian company? Any evidence from GOI to support this? IP is owned by this entity started off by Sarnoff and Stanford.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Interesting to find 3 out of 5 board members are foreigners and check google image, the Bangalore facility is just this crappy shared office.

1) My question, what is the ownership structure. When you said management buyout, who is the management?
2) Why are they 3 foreigners in the board members?
3) Are the equipment really Made in India, or are they 'system engineers'? I suspect equipment are assembled from Chinese and American components.

Tonbo considers itself an international company, why cant it have 3 foreign board members? They have locations in the US, Singapore, and originally, before becoming independent, had roots from the US. The founder, and cofounders were students from the west.

If you think it's assembled Chinese, American components, prove it. Politically, and from a business perspective, no one is going to assemble defence equipment component from China, this is suicide.

This is fact, mentioned by the man himself, the IP is theirs, design is theirs, and they make it in India. They've already licensed their design to the Peruvian army, gained a $100 million contract from their thermal scopes.

 

[Han Patriot]

Tonbo considers itself an international company, why cant it have 3 foreign board members? They have locations in the US, Singapore, and originally, before becoming independent, had roots from the US. The founder, and cofounders were students from the west.

That's the problem, nobody knows the ownership structure and the fact that there are 3 foreigners on the board seems to indicate this is not an Indian owned company. It was spun off from Sarnoff and Stanford, and those 2 Indians were working for them. Therefore, they were not founders as they were employees of SRI/Stanford. They could be considered pioneer employees but not founders. It was still founded by those 2 companies, unless of course they founded Sarnoff/Standford research.

If you think it's assembled Chinese, American components, prove it. Politically, and from a business perspective, no one is going to assemble defence equipment component from China, this is suicide.

China is embedded into the world's supply chain, even Indian & US military inadvertently use Chinese components. My question was what is the contribution of indigenous technology given the primitive state of Indian industrial base?

This is fact, mentioned by the man himself, the IP is theirs, design is theirs, and they make it in India. They've already licensed their design to the Peruvian army, gained a $100 million contract from their thermal scopes.

I am not arguing whether the some IPs are owned by them, I am pretty sure the core technology is owned by the Sarnoff/SRI consortium and they are merely licensing it. This two are acting as middle men peddling to the Indian military from the looks of it. Unless you can prove otherwise? The current available information seems to indicate obscure origins. They as in the Indian company or Tonbo the international company majority owned by foreigners? Who are 'they'?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

That's the problem, nobody knows the ownership structure and the fact that there are 3 foreigners on the board seems to indicate this is not an Indian owned company. It was spun off from Sarnoff and Stanford, and those 2 Indians were working for them. Therefore, they were not founders as they were employees of SRI/Stanford. They could be considered pioneer employees but not founders. It was still founded by those 2 companies, unless of course they founded Sarnoff/Standford research.

So what if it has 3 foreigners? There are Indians companies like TATA motors with the same, it's not surprise that a company originally having origins outside India, now based out of India, having several locations outside India(California, Poland, Singapore) having, "foreigners", in the board.

China is embedded into the world's supply chain, even Indian & US military inadvertently use Chinese components. My question was what is the contribution of indigenous technology given the primitive state of Indian industrial base?

It'll be suicide to get into any sort of Indian defence procurement with any sort of significant Chinese assembly. How about you prove your, "possible this or that claims". A lot of what Tonbo makes is already being produced and designed by the likes of DRDO, BEL, nothing out of the norm there.

I am not arguing whether the some IPs are owned by them, I am pretty sure the core technology is owned by the Sarnoff/SRI consortium and they are merely licensing it. This two are acting as middle men peddling to the Indian military from the looks of it. Unless you can prove otherwise? The current available information seems to indicate obscure origins. They as in the Indian company or Tonbo the international company majority owned by foreigners? Who are 'they'?

No, how about you prove otherwise, show if they are licensing it, show that they are stanford owned. I am merely explaining what they say. Show me any, "stanford", connection to any of their export orders to Peru, Greece, etc. Show me any stanford connection when they themselves are giving out license agreement to manufacture their products to Peru, etc.

 

[Han Patriot]

So what if it has 3 foreigners? There are Indians companies like TATA motors with the same, it's not surprise that a company originally having origins outside India, now based out of India, having several locations outside India(California, Poland, Singapore) having, "foreigners", in the board.

Yet until now you can't prove to me the ownership structure of this 'Indian' company?

It'll be suicide to get into any sort of Indian defence procurement with any sort of significant Chinese assembly. How about you prove your, "possible this or that claims". A lot of what Tonbo makes is already being produced and designed by the likes of DRDO, BEL, nothing out of the norm there.

The burden of proof lies with you, you are claiming this is an indigenous company right. Then tell me the place they manufacture those CMOS chips? There are no modern fab in India, how the heck are they making it then?

No, how about you prove otherwise, show if they are licensing it, show that they are stanford owned. I am merely explaining what they say. Show me any, "stanford", connection to any of their export orders to Peru, Greece, etc. Show me any stanford connection when they themselves are giving out license agreement to manufacture their products to Peru, etc.

Their webpage already inform us they are a spinoff of Stanford Research and Sarnoff. Can you tell me their IP portfolio, and how is it shared with the original owners? What are the licensing structures? Again the burden of proof lies with you, you are claiming this company as Indian and the technology is Indian. Show me some proof.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Their webpage already inform us they are a spinoff of Stanford Research and Sarnoff. Can you tell me their IP portfolio, and how is it shared with the original owners? What are the licensing structures? Again the burden of proof lies with you, you are claiming this company as Indian and the technology is Indian. Show me some proof.

The website also states they became an independent entity at 2008, back then their name was
even Serial Innovations India. You show us the ownership breakdown, prove they are still somehow outside owned after becoming independent, because the India based Sarnoff spin off wasnt even a success before the founder, and partner bought it out and became indepedent.. Right now, Im taking what's at face value.

"With their specialised cameras and image processing software, I can confidently enter bids that would have been impossible before," said Frank J Frysiek , president and CEO at Potomac River Group, a defence contractor that serves high-profile US government departments. "Serial Innovations is one of few non-US technology companies that has developed night vision systems," said Ronald L Bauer, director for business development at Sparton Electronics, a US-based defence contractor.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-drones-arjun-tanks/articleshow/8883904.cms

"It was a lucrative job, but I was not satisfied, I wanted to come back," said Lakshmikumar, who relocated to India in 2003 to head the India operations of the US-based Sarnoff Corporation. However, soon Lakshmi kumar's home-coming dreams became a hard struggle for survival. Sarnoff had to wind up its India operations due to technology transfer is sues, as it was a direct source of imaging systems and cameras to the US defence. Lakshmikumar bought out 95% of the subsidiary along with his friend and partner Tim Mitchell.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-drones-arjun-tanks/articleshow/8883904.cms

 

[#hydra#]

The website also states they became an independent entity at 2008, back then their name was
even Serial Innovations India. You show us the ownership breakdown, prove they are still somehow outside owned after becoming independent, because the India based Sarnoff spin off wasnt even a success before the founder, and partner bought it out and became indepedent.. Right now, Im taking what's at face value.




https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-drones-arjun-tanks/articleshow/8883904.cms





https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...to-drones-arjun-tanks/articleshow/8883904.cms

You don't argue with dumb and stupid,they will drag you ti theirs level and defeat you with theirs experience.

 

[axisofevil]

Yet until now you can't prove to me the ownership structure of this 'Indian' company?



The burden of proof lies with you, you are claiming this is an indigenous company right. Then tell me the place they manufacture those CMOS chips? There are no modern fab in India, how the heck are they making it then?




Their webpage already inform us they are a spinoff of Stanford Research and Sarnoff. Can you tell me their IP portfolio, and how is it shared with the original owners? What are the licensing structures? Again the burden of proof lies with you, you are claiming this company as Indian and the technology is Indian. Show me some proof.

As long as you and your type keep on making up shit...why do you expect anyone of us to find such proof? We can go on for days asking for proof for the same issues with Chinese founders of defense companies....Oh I forget.....its all state run institutions in China lol..

 

[Nilgiri]

Keep hanging yourself with that rope you brought yourself "Han Warrior".

That was fun to read

As long as you and your type keep on making up shit...why do you expect anyone of us to find such proof? We can go on for days asking for proof for the same issues with Chinese founders of defense companies....Oh I forget.....its all state run institutions in China lol..

Shhhh, his "logic" can only apply one way you see.