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Tokyo Gas pushes for 13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline

Is this the same project mentioned in OP? Personally, I would rather see Japan get closer to Russia while putting some strategic space with the US.

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Russian Gazprom is not considering the possibility of delivering pipeline gas to Japan while pipeline gas supplies from the Far East are targeted at China, the company’s CEO Alexey Miller said when answering the question whether the proposal by Tokyo Gas to come back to negotiations on Russia’s pipeline to Japan is topical. Read more:

TASS: Economy - Russian Gazprom not considering pipeline gas supplies to Japan — CEO



Russian Gazprom not considering pipeline gas supplies to Japan — CEO

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Yes it is, in fact I posted an article on this back in Autumn Period of 2014. Looks like it's materializing.
 
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Tokyo Gas, the largest natural gas utility provider in Japan, is pushing for the construction of a Japan-Russia gas pipeline to cope with rising liquefied natural gas (LNG) demand, said a key official yesterday.

Feasibility studies were completed and sent to the Japanese government last year but it faced a roadblock due to sanctions on Russia over the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Shigeru Muraki, executive advisor to Tokyo Gas, says a pipeline needs to be constructed as a precursor to a pipeline network that would reportedly meet as much as 13% of Japan’s LNG needs.

Currently, Malaysia is one of the top suppliers of LNG to Japan.

“Building a pipeline from Russia to Japan would make it easier to build such a network,” he said.

He estimates the pipeline will run 1,500km from Sakhalin Island, Russia to Tokyo, and supply six million tonnes of LNG per year and cost around US$3.7 billion (RM13.32 billion).

“The pricing of US$600 per tonne of LNG is very competitive as it includes shipping costs,” he said.

Malaysia is the third largest supplier of LNG to Japan, the world’s biggest importer of LNG. It supplies 17% of Japan’s LNG, surpassed only by Qatar with 18% and Australia with 21%.

A pipeline deal would almost triple Russia’s current market share of 10% to 27% and eat away from the shares of other exporting nations, including Malaysia.

Shigeru also suggested the pipeline would come in handy should methane hydrate, slated as a next generation fuel source, become ready for domestic use in the next few decades.

Japan has an estimated supply of methane hydrate within its coastal waters to meet its natural gas requirements for a hundred years.

“Why has the US achieved so much success with shale gas?

“Because of their pipeline network,” he said.

Russia and China ratified a gas supply agreement last May that will see Gazprom provide China with 38 billion cu m of natural gas every year for 30 years, from 2018 onwards.

The Kremlin view pipeline projects with China, Japan and Korea as a means to wean Russia from dependence on exports to Europe.

Speaking to delegates at the 18th Asia Oil and Gas Conference here, Shigeru said demand for gas in Japan for energy purposes is slated to increase in tandem with concerns over the safety of nuclear power and high emissions from coal energy production.

While the cost of generating energy from coal may be cheaper than from LNG, increasing pressure on high carbon emissions will prevent expansion in that segment.

Tokyo Gas pushes for RM13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline | The Malaysian Reserve


@LordTyrannus @vostok @senheiser

Good now japan playing realpolitik.
 
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I think Japan and Russia are natural partners and if the islands issue as well as US opposition to further gas / oil transactions get out of the way, I think things can develop quite nicely and furthermore, having a lot of trade with Japan plus Japan becoming a much bigger outlet for Russian gas / oil plus Japanese investment in Russia would significantly reduce Russian dependence on China (and weakening the the facto Russia - China alliance) and that would be a very good thing for the west.

True, but then again that's just wishful thinking to be honest. Even if the U. S was to agree to let Japan go ahead with the pipeline(they might agree, to reduce China's influence over Russia) , it won't change much , since it will still be an economic deal, not a military /diplomatic one. China and Japan have a farrrrrrr bigger /closer economic relationship, yet they are the biggest of rivals. Lol Will be the same with Russia, since to Japan the U. S is still far more important as an ally than a Soviet Russia can ever be. If anybody really thinks the U. S will just vacate Japan and allow it's main Asian ally go against it and Ally with its rival, then I must say they are more disillusional than I thought. They don't realise the influence /leverage the U. SSstill has in Japan. Even more so, Japanese still welcome and view the U. S more favourably than any country in the region.

Moreover we forget that Russia and Japan are still technically at war with each other, since they never signed a peace treaty after WWII. To make things worse, Russia still holds /controls Japanese territory /islands it seized after the war which Japan has been pleading for its return for over half a century now invane. Lol We all know there is no way Japan is ever going to give up claiming it's lost territory to Russia, and Russia won't obviously cede control to a strategic island it's controls which Russian citizens live in by to way. So just like China -Japan dispute, good luck solving this dispute . lol

Finally, Japan knows it needs the U. S for now and the foreseeable future more than vice versa, for one to keep S. Korea from aligning with China against Japan (it's only the U. S that stops them) , to balancing a rising and increasingly powerful China these coming years /decades, to providing Japan with much needed exchange in high end military technology /cooperation and market for Japanese goods etc. :bounce: What can a declining Russia offer Japan apart from oil and gas which Japan pays for (it's not like it's free. lol) and which Japan can get from many other countries anyway. :undecided:
 
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China wants to keep India and Japan out of SCS as troublemakers,then we will do some unspeakable stuff to some countries hohoho
In how much money you bought the whole SCS?
 
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True, but then again that's just wishful thinking to be honest. Even if the U. S was to agree to let Japan go ahead with the pipeline(they might to reduce China's influence over Russia) , it won't change much , since it will still be an economic deal, not a military /diplomatic one. China and Japan have a farrrrrrr bigger /closer economic relationship, yet they are the biggest of rivals. Lol will be the same with Russia, since to Japan the U. s is still far more important as an ally than a Soviet Russia can ever be. if anybody thinks the U. s will just vacate Japan and allow it's main Asian ally go against it and Ally with its rival, then I must say they are more disillusional than I thought proper don't realise the influence /leverage the U. SSstill has in Japan. even more so, Japanese still welcome and view the U. S more favourably than any country in the region.

Moreover we forget that Russia and Japan are still technically at war, since they never signed a peace treaty after WWII, to make things worse Russia still holds /controls Japanese territory /islands it seized after the war which Japan has been pleading for its return for over half a century now invane. Lol we all know there is no way Japan is ever going to give up claiming it's lost territory to Russia, and Russia won't obviously cede control to a strategic island it's controls which Russian citizens live on by to way. So just like China -Japan dispute, good luck solving this dispute . lol

Finally, Japan knows it needs the U. S for now and the foreseeable future more than vice versa, for one to keep S. Korea from aligning with China against Japan (it's only the U. S that stops them) , to balancing a rising and increasingly powerful China these coming years /decades and providing it with much exchange in high end militate technology /cooperation and market for Japanese goods etc. :bounce: What can a declining Russia offer Japan apart from oil and gas which Japan pays for (it's not like it's free. lol) and which Japan can get from many other countries anyway. :undecided:


Mike, the relationships between Japan and Russia is not linear. It is very much multidimensional in every regard. :)
 
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True, but then again that's just wishful thinking to be honest. Even if the U. S was to agree to let Japan go ahead with the pipeline(they might agree, to reduce China's influence over Russia) , it won't change much , since it will still be an economic deal, not a military /diplomatic one. China and Japan have a farrrrrrr bigger /closer economic relationship, yet they are the biggest of rivals. Lol Will be the same with Russia, since to Japan the U. S is still far more important as an ally than a Soviet Russia can ever be. If anybody really thinks the U. S will just vacate Japan and allow it's main Asian ally go against it and Ally with its rival, then I must say they are more disillusional than I thought. They don't realise the influence /leverage the U. SSstill has in Japan. Even more so, Japanese still welcome and view the U. S more favourably than any country in the region.

Moreover we forget that Russia and Japan are still technically at war with each other, since they never signed a peace treaty after WWII. To make things worse, Russia still holds /controls Japanese territory /islands it seized after the war which Japan has been pleading for its return for over half a century now invane. Lol We all know there is no way Japan is ever going to give up claiming it's lost territory to Russia, and Russia won't obviously cede control to a strategic island it's controls which Russian citizens live in by to way. So just like China -Japan dispute, good luck solving this dispute . lol

Finally, Japan knows it needs the U. S for now and the foreseeable future more than vice versa, for one to keep S. Korea from aligning with China against Japan (it's only the U. S that stops them) , to balancing a rising and increasingly powerful China these coming years /decades, to providing Japan with much needed exchange in high end military technology /cooperation and market for Japanese goods etc. :bounce: What can a declining Russia offer Japan apart from oil and gas which Japan pays for (it's not like it's free. lol) and which Japan can get from many other countries anyway. :undecided:

I know, but that's why I said if the islands issue gets solved since that's the big issue that keeps them from normalizing relations.

Lets not forget that in case of normalized relation, Japan has a great investment capacity that can do wonders for the Russian economy and can virtually replace the chinese investment.

To complete it all, if at the same time the situation between Russia and US / EU gets normalized, then there isn't much need for Russia to be too close to China. Its possible, but it takes a few things going in the right direction.

@Nihonjin1051 Your opinion?
 
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I know, but that's why I said if the islands issue gets solved since that's the big issue that keeps them from normalizing relations.

Lets not forget that in case of normalized relation, Japan has a great investment capacity that can do wonders for the Russian economy and can virtually replace the chinese investment.

To complete it all, if at the same time the situation between Russia and US / EU gets normalized, then there isn't much need for Russia to be too close to China. Its possible, but it takes a few things going in the right direction.

@Nihonjin1051 Your opinion?

I never said otherwise, but Japan has as much chance of solving it's territorial dispute with Russia as it does with it dispute with China, and we all know how likely that is. Lool :lol:

Moreover as I said , it doesn't matter what happens, the U. S has more leverage than any other party here as I stated above anyway . So if anything critical /groundbreaking happens, it will be because of U S turning a blind eye (for strategic reasons) not inspite of the U. S. And make no mistake Russia (despite being far weaker today) is still a U. S/western rival for now (like it has for much of the past century) and the foreseeable future. :coffee:
 
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I never said otherwise, but Japan has as much chance of solving it's territorial dispute with Russia as it does with it dispute with China, and we all know how likely that is. Lool :lol:

Moreover as I said , it doesn't matter what happens, the U. S has more leverage than any other party here as I stated above anyway . So if anything critical /groundbreaking happens, it will be because of U S turning a blind eye (for strategic reasons) not inspite of the U. S. And make no mistake Russia (despite being far weaker today) is still a U. S/western rival for now (like it has for much of the past century) and the foreseeable future. :coffee:

Yes, but I would say that if US finds it in its favor to split the virtual China - Russia alliance and concentrate on the party that will be the biggest competitor / rival by far, that's China, then it can easily solve its problems with Russia (Russia is definitely open for that, they gave hints plenty of times) and with Japan acting the role of sugar daddy for Russia, then you have a much better strategic situation for the west.

Lets face it, going against Russia and China together is not a good thing. Its in the interest of the west to split them. The Russians offered to Japan 2 of the islands ( the smaller of the 4) to solve the issue and if they improve the offer enough to make it ok for Japan, then it could workout.
 
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