Tk.1,330/ton Transit Fee Proposed for Indian Goods

[Roybot]

But, most affected will be Tripura and territories east, north and south of it. I wish people in those places will accept a lower income and higher price than the rest of India.

For that we have Sittwe Port

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

For that we have Sittwe Port

Sittwe Port is never a economically viable port then bangladeshi ports... this is not my words but all the bharti articles so far have written that... so if you would like to remain in wet dream not 1 would ask you to stop dreaming such... n If you think that is more feasible then ask your India to go for that deal.. it would save bangladesh from investing in such a loosy project which is not going to contribute anything to bangladesh...N for your infia ... this is not likely Sittwe Port will also be a cheritable port and free transit like the case of bangladesh...

 

[senselesstalk]

While building infrastructure one has taken into consideration whether it is viable or not economically or any other viable options exist. But in this case it is strategically important to connect Rest of India with North East. If Bangladeshi brothers doesn't provide the access, there is always option for Indian establishment to utilize the infrastructure of Myanmar to connect to Tripura if it so required.

But the same brothers also have to remember that they want to invest & import electricity from Bhutan which is landlocked and requires Indian support. Every neighbour needs another, if one bullies another have the option too .. but that's not the way to go, co-operation with the each other is ideal ..

 

[Roybot]

]Sittwe Port is never a economically viable port then bangladeshi ports[/B]... this is not my words but all the bharti articles so far have written that... so if you would like to remain in wet dream not 1 would ask you to stop dreaming such... n If you think that is more feasible then ask your India to go for that deal.. it would save bangladesh from investing in such a loosy project which is not going to contribute anything to bangladesh...N for your infia ... this is not likely Sittwe Port will also be a cheritable port and free transit like the case of bangladesh...

India has already gone for the deal. We have already committed to invest 120 Million USD and the work started late December last year. Thank you for your concern if its feasible or not

December 1, 2010: Sittwe: Construction of the Sittwe Seaport, a major component of the Kaladan Multiple River Project between Burma and India, has been underway for a week, report witnesses and townspeople.

A businessman in Sittwe said, "The construction of the Sittwe Seaport began last week. Now along the bank of the strand road in Sittwe sand has been piled up for construction of the port."

The seaport of Sittwe is a major part of the Kaladan Multiple River Project, meant to connect with the northeast states of India. The port is to be upgraded for vessels to run along the river route of the Kaladan from Sittwe to Sitpyitpyin in Paletwa Township, located on the upper Kaladan River.

In April 2009, India and Burma signed a framework agreement along with two other documents on the construction and operation of the 120-million USD multi-modal transits and transport facility on the Kaladan River, to connect Sittwe with the Indian State of Mizoram.

Specifically, the project covers upgrading both motor-roads and waterways in northwestern Chin State to enable Indian cargo vessels to travel along the Kaladan River in Sittwe's eastern bank to berth at Paletwa, where a high-standard port is to be built. A highway will also be built to connect with the port in Paletwa to enable access to the border area of Myeikwa to facilitate the flow of commodities to India's Mizoram State.

India stands as Burma's fourth largest trading partner after Thailand, China, and Singapore.
Construction of Sittwe Port for Kaladan Multiple River Project Starts — Indo-Burma News

P.S: Link us to some of them Bharti articles you talked about

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

While building infrastructure one has taken into consideration whether it is viable or not economically or any other viable options exist. But in this case it is strategically important to connect Rest of India with North East. If Bangladeshi brothers doesn't provide the access, there is always option for Indian establishment to utilize the infrastructure of Myanmar to connect to Tripura if it so required.

But the same brothers also have to remember that they want to invest & import electricity from Bhutan which is landlocked and requires Indian support. Every neighbour needs another, if one bullies another have the option too .. but that's not the way to go, co-operation with the each other is ideal ..

1st thing ... no bangladeshi rejected transit... but said they are opposed to free transit under present framework as under present framework there are no benefit for bd... N you are talking about using myaanmar port... definitely you can do it... But do you expect this will also be free like bangladesh like present framework??? or more economically viable then bangladesh option??? Using bangladesh will give bhartis more option to reach NE India more easily then myaanmar...Using chicken neck is an option but not a preffered solution... as the land lock problem will not be solved and Bhartis will have to take help from either bangladesh or myaanmar... at best they can hope both will be free as per their cheap mentality.

N regarding bhutan and nepal India is bound to help or provide it access to export its product to third country or to give transit to it to reach third country as per WTO rules.

 

[eastwatch]

While building infrastructure one has taken into consideration whether it is viable or not economically or any other viable options exist. But in this case it is strategically important to connect Rest of India with North East. If Bangladeshi brothers doesn't provide the access, there is always option for Indian establishment to utilize the infrastructure of Myanmar to connect to Tripura if it so required.

But the same brothers also have to remember that they want to invest & import electricity from Bhutan which is landlocked and requires Indian support. Every neighbour needs another, if one bullies another have the option too .. but that's not the way to go, co-operation with the each other is ideal ..

This is in response to your Myammar option. Look, the policy of Bangladesh is to provide access to all the countries and regions of the area that surround us when we build a deep-sea port near Cox's Bazaar. It means, it also includes your NE. A deep sea port is a costly affair. We spend $9 billion to build it, and then refuse access to this port by your NE is a suicidical formula. The port will die before it is born. So, you do not have to think about a Myammar connection. Rather, Myammar and also China are supposed to use the new port.

However, we are sensitivie when small Indian trucks easily come inside our territory. No one likes a Trojan Horse, isn't it? Even then, the GoB seems to be positive about a route through which machines for Patiala Power Plant are being transported. Please note that as far as I know Bangladesh has provided 5 other river routes for Indian goods to reach NE.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

India has already gone for the deal. We have already committed to invest 120 Million USD and the work started late December last year. Thank you for your concern if its feasible or not

P.S: Link us to some of them Bharti articles you talked about

I did not ask for it whether India has invested any amount or not... but I have just said whether that port is more economically viable or not. As i said before if you think that is more viable then why begging for free transit from bangladesh??

N point to be noted... India is investing 120 million on that port if it is not a loan... which myaanmar will return with interest. But for the case of bangladesh India is not investing a dime... n bangladesh needs to invest here so obviously cost benefit issue will come here...

 

[senselesstalk]

Even if India pays what Bangladesh asks for, even then Indians will be accused due to some suspicion. You do or You don't India is a bully this is the view of most here. So its good for India to have more options then one. While utilizing and considering the option of utilizing the Bangladesh Infrastructure, it should develop its own and also utilize the Myanmar option. NE is in such a location that its makes weather even the best of infrastructure inaccessible at times due to bad weather conditions. India infrastructure can be used for civilian transport, while others can be used for goods transport.

 

[Roybot]

I did not ask for it whether India has invested any amount or not... but I have just said whether that port is more economically viable or not. As i said before if you think that is more viable then why begging for free transit from bangladesh??

Its upto Indian government to decide if a project is feasible or not. If they have gone ahead with the project its good enough reason for me to believe that the project infact is feasible, instead of believing some random. And no one is begging for free transit, we just have a favorable government in Bangladesh, we are making use of that.

N point to be noted... India is investing 120 million on that port if it is not a loan... which myaanmar will return with interest. But for the case of bangladesh India is not investing a dime... n bangladesh needs to invest here so obviously cost benefit issue will come here...

Its not a loan. It will essentially be an Indian port, operated by Indian Port Authorities, so Indian goods won't be getting charged any foreign "Transit Fees". Just the port usage fees like every other port in India. And India did offer Bangladesh 1 Billion Dollar loan at a very low interest rate, but I know your views about that loan so don't bother replying to this.

TThe initial total estimated cost of the project was reported to be US$ 103 million. At the initial stage, the agreement between Government of India and Government of Myanmar is that, Government of Myanmar was to provide US$ 10million, and the rest by the Government of India. But, the Myanmar Government, known as State Peace and Development Council (SPDC) — run by a group of Generals, later conveyed its inability to fulfill its commitment of US$ 10million.

SPDC has though consented on the proposal, but showed reluctance to invest in the project, and only assured to provide free land for the project. So, the Government of India has agreed to provide the amount in the form of a Line of Credit to the Myanmar Government.

Superceding the previous decision, the meeting decided that India will extended to Burma a soft loan of US$ 10 million at an annual interest of 2.5 percent to cover the expenses of its share of the Kolodyne Multi-Modal Transport Project. The Prime Minister Office (PMO) says, “The total estimated amount for the Kaladan project is pegged at Rs 860.95 crore. Myanmar had to provide 10 million US dollars as its share. Since Myanmar was unwilling to invest the money, India agreed to provide a soft loan at about 2.5 per cent annual interest.

PORT SITTWE: PORT OF HOPE FOR MIZORAM

 

[senselesstalk]

I personally would prefer that India invest and develop its infrastructure in NE, not only it will be good long term investment for movement of civilian, goods and for defence forces but we can extend this infrastructure up to borders with china, so that there will be more access of goods movement for trade allowing NE part of India with Western part of china. India should build a good highway through NE-Myanmar-SE Asia as well Rail Connectivity and connect to Chinese Railway lines to making it more economical and viable. If Bangladesh wants to be part of it, they could also be accommodated, if they don't see us with suspicion in this.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Its upto Indian government to decide if a project is feasible or not. If they have gone ahead with the project its good enough reason for me to believe that the project infact is feasible, instead of believing some random. And no one is begging for free transit, we just have a favorable government in Bangladesh, we are making use of that.



Its not a loan. It will essentially be an Indian port, operated by Indian Port Authorities, so Indian goods won't be getting charged any foreign "Transit Fees". Just the port usage fees like every other port in India. And India did offer Bangladesh 1 Billion Dollar loan at a very low interest rate, but I know your views about that loan so don't bother replying to this.



PORT SITTWE: PORT OF HOPE FOR MIZORAM

I just can not understand to what extend this bhartis can have deluted thought... did you even read what is written in the link before saying such absurd stuff that it will be an Indian port... when India will have to return the operational control of the port to myaanmar after completing the project which Indian liked to keep under its control...

"
The source of continuing disagreement was the control of the port.
Since India is investing heavily in this project, it wants to retain control of
the port. This is not being accepted by Myanmar They expressed reservations over
India’s earlier proposal where India wanted to develop the port and operate it for
some time before transferring its use..


So, India softened its stand and offered Myanmar immediate use of the Sittwe Port
once it is ready for navigational purposes and agreed to hand over the Port soon
after its completion. The new offer made by India to Myanmar is a major shift in
India’s strategic thinking. It also gives an idea of the level it can go to in
accommodating Myanmar ‘s sensitivities. It is confirmed that the revised offer has
been approved by the MEA. India’s new offer to Myanmar on the development of the
Sittwe port has been approved by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee himself. "

Even after making a port with Indian own money myaanmar showed reservation of India's operation... n bhartis like you is whinning for free transit from bangladesh since 1972.

N regarding the fees nothing has been written here. But definitely it is not likely to be free as India will have to provide some charge one way or another even after investing more then 100 million just only in a port. N if is better for India then go for it instead begging for transit even through USA for years... So before saying India is not begging anything go check your countries history regarding transit. Even your cheap and poor minded country said unwilling ness to pay any fees for river transit and begged to extend the river transit protocol for 5 more year whcih even does not have any merit.


Mitter cautions against high transit fees

Mon, Apr 4th, 2011 11:12 pm BdST

Mitter cautions against high transit fees | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com

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Chittagong, Apr 4 (bdnews24.com) — The Indian envoy has indicated his preference for low transit fees and cautioned that high fees might hinder bilateral trade.

While he told journalists that India would certainly agree to Bangladesh's decision, Rajeet Mitter also noted that expensive transit might not bring the desired level benefits, especially in the form of bilateral trade.


N regarding utilaizing hasina and her government just go n look at their track record. Despite of remaining in power for 3 years and her appeasing the bhartis she could not offer anything other then promise in the case of transit. So every time you are hearing this and that. N your bharti government also knows that even if the transit deal goes through it will be cancelled within 2 year or so whent he new government will come here under present framework.

Despite myaanmar is isolated in the world your government failed to gail control right of the so called port which your country is building with its own money. In this regard thinking of free transit is not only absurd but also ridiculous. n your 1 billion deal is just to promote sub standard Indian companies. Many country offer such credit to promote their companies. But for the case of bangladesh many projects are unwanted.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

I personally would prefer that India invest and develop its infrastructure in NE, not only it will be good long term investment for movement of civilian, goods and for defence forces but we can extend this infrastructure up to borders with china, so that there will be more access of goods movement for trade allowing NE part of India with Western part of china. India should build a good highway through NE-Myanmar-SE Asia as well Rail Connectivity and connect to Chinese Railway lines to making it more economical and viable. If Bangladesh wants to be part of it, they could also be accommodated, if they don't see us with suspicion in this.

Whatever your country with cheap mentality its up to your country... but regarding connecting to china and south east asia bangladesh is doing its own work and own money... You need not think about it or bangladesh does not needs indias help on it.If so bangladesh would join asian highway.

N Bangladesh is not like India which will look forward to use transit of anoter country but will ask it for free. Bangladesh already has a plan to make connectivity with china through myaanmar and building rail and road link for it.

Work begins on Bangladesh-Myanmar rail line - Yahoo! News

Bangladesh has a plan to extend the lane or rail line up to south asian countries... But if you build it then it is fine ... BD will use it for free.....

 

[Roybot]

I just can not understand to what extend this bhartis can have deluted thought... did you even read what is written in the link before saying such absurd stuff that it will be an Indian port... when India will have to return the operational control of the port to myaanmar after completing the project which Indian liked to keep under its control...

Ok my bad I didn't read the whole thing, and thought it was the same situation as before when India was to operate the port.

So what does a Bongli want from India anyways? Are you against the Indian transit or not? Cause when Indians say that we aren't dying for Bangladesh transit and we ll use the alternatives available to us, you guys have issues with that and when we say ok we will use Bangladesh as a highway you have issues with that? Just tell me your stance, once and for all and I ll leave you alone after that.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Whatever your country with cheap mentality its up to your country... but regarding connecting to china and south east asia bangladesh is doing its own work and own money... You need not think about it or bangladesh does not needs indias help on it.If so bangladesh would join asian highway.

N Bangladesh is not like India which will look forward to use transit of anoter country but will ask it for free. Bangladesh already has a plan to make connectivity with china through myaanmar and building rail and road link for it.

Work begins on Bangladesh-Myanmar rail line - Yahoo! News

Bangladesh has a plan to extend the lane or rail line up to south asian countries... But if you build it then it is fine ... BD will use it for free.....

You know it very well what the bangladeshi's want. If bhartis want to use transit that is fine but not a free transit. It needs to give a fees which is beneficial to BD.

If it wants to use any other alternative source then its fine... use it and do not bother nd by asking for free transit. But considering the bd's location it is the only feasible and economic solution for transit among the other solution and everybody knows it n so bhartis will do go any exyend to get it.

But as I said before India will have to provide a fees which is mutually beneficial for all and which also takes in to consideration the amount that bangladesh will have to invest. Altrady the 1 billiion creadit line turned out to be 1 billion business of the bharti companies plus interest fees. Just look how myaanmar even did not allow India to operate the port even it is paying the whole fees to bild it. Otherwise pack your bags n go for chicken neck and swati port... whichever suits beneficial for you.

 

[Roybot]

You know it very well what the bangladeshi's want. If bhartis want to use transit that is fine but not a free transit. It needs to give a fees which is beneficial to BD.

If it wants to use any other alternative source then its fine... use it and do not bother nd by asking for free transit. But considering the bd's location it is the only feasible and economic solution for transit among the other solution and everybody knows it n so bhartis will do go any exyend to get it.

But as I said before India will have to provide a fees which is mutually beneficial for all and which also takes in to consideration the amount that bangladesh will have to invest. Altrady the 1 billiion creadit line turned out to be 1 billion business of the bharti companies plus interest fees. Just look how myaanmar even did not allow India to operate the port even it is paying the whole fees to bild it. Otherwise pack your bags n go for chicken neck and swati port... whichever suits beneficial for you.

Fair enough lets see what happens, I would give it another year, and things will be out in the open. I personally hope Bangladeshis never allow Indian transit. I have faith in people like yourself