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Timothy Geithner: China 'Very, Very Aggressive' In Stealing U.S. Technology

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that China is holding to its decades-old strategy to steal American intellectual property, in a pointed statement reflecting U.S. officials' growing impatience with Beijing.

"They China have made possible systematic stealing of intellectual property of American companies and have not been very aggressive to put in place the basic protections for property rights that every serious economy needs over time," Geithner told a forum in Washington.

"We're seeing China continue to be very, very aggressive in a strategy they started several decades ago, which goes like this: you want to sell to our country, we want you to come produce here ... if you want to come produce here, you need to transfer your technology to us," Geithner said.

Although unusually direct, Geithner's comments echo a common refrain from U.S. officials and executives. The new U.S. Ambassador to China, Gary Locke, who has assailed China in the past for its trade practices, has put the defense of U.S. intellectual property among his chief priorities.

China has said it would drop some of its "indigenous innovation" rules that have riled foreign companies who say access to government equipment and technology orders hinge on their transferring patents and other intellectual property.

But business associations in China argue that enforcement of Beijing's promises has been spotty, particularly at the local government level, hampering foreign companies' access to a market estimated to be worth as much as $1 trillion a year.

In an offshoot of Washington's dissatisfaction with Beijing's trade policies, leaders in Washington have long argued that China's yuan currency is undervalued, giving Chinese companies a price advantage that costs U.S. jobs.

But the foreign business community in China -- concerned about what they see as China becoming more closed toward foreign investors in recent years -- has argued that the emphasis on yuan revaluation distracts from the most serious issues threatening U.S. business interests.

A coalition of 51 U.S. business groups sent a letter dated Wednesday to senators considering a currency bill, urging them to focus more on China's inadequate protection of intellectual property and restrictions on market access.

"... unilateral legislation on this issue would be counterproductive not only to the goals related to China's exchange rate that we all share, but also to our nation's broader objectives of addressing the many and growing challenges that we face in China," the groups said.

Piracy and counterfeiting of U.S. software and a wide range of other intellectual property in China cost U.S. businesses alone an estimated $48 billion and 2.1 million jobs in 2009, the U.S. International Trade Commission has said.

The United States' trade deficit with China hit a record $273 billion in 2010 and could top that this year.

In May, China was listed for the seventh year by the U.S. Trade Representative's office as a country with one of the worst records for preventing copyright theft.
 
And yet, US companies will make technological investment in China as long as their "shareholders" are getting decent dividends. Stop whining, Timmy.
 
And yet, US companies will make technological investment in China as long as their "shareholders" are getting decent dividends. Stop whining, Timmy.
Sorry...But there is no direct correlation between the two acts: Investments and Theft. The former is a legitimate business strategic consideration. The latter is considered immoral by any society throughout history.
 
Sorry...But there is no direct correlation between the two acts: Investments and Theft. The former is a legitimate business strategic consideration. The latter is considered immoral by any society throughout history.

Sounded as stupid as saying that if you drive around in bad neighborhood and get mugged or something, it was not your fault. You knew it was a bad area! These businesses understand the risk very well and they still invest because they are greedy as f...k. It cannot get more retarded than that.
 
When early humans invented fire they did not patend it and call it THEIR FIRE ...
it was fire for all humans:what:


This patent smashtet is all bull to keep 1-2 races above others:coffee:

Why is Africa a grinding ground for virus , wars and killing because there have not developed technologically
 
Sounded as stupid as saying that if you drive around in bad neighborhood and get mugged or something, it was not your fault. You knew it was a bad area! These businesses understand the risk very well and they still invest because they are greedy as f...k. It cannot get more retarded than that.

No no no- you do not understand this--- there is an article I will post later which shows the extent of Chinese spying and stealing of both economic and military tech. This is isn’t about driving in a bad neighborhood. Its espionage at its finest (in terms of success)
 
Timothy Geithner: China 'Very, Very Aggressive' In Stealing U.S. Technology

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that China is holding to its decades-old strategy to steal American intellectual property, in a pointed statement reflecting U.S. officials' growing impatience with Beijing.

"They China have made possible systematic stealing of intellectual property of American companies and have not been very aggressive to put in place the basic protections for property rights that every serious economy needs over time," Geithner told a forum in Washington.

"We're seeing China continue to be very, very aggressive in a strategy they started several decades ago, which goes like this: you want to sell to our country, we want you to come produce here ... if you want to come produce here, you need to transfer your technology to us," Geithner said.

Although unusually direct, Geithner's comments echo a common refrain from U.S. officials and executives. The new U.S. Ambassador to China, Gary Locke, who has assailed China in the past for its trade practices, has put the defense of U.S. intellectual property among his chief priorities.

China has said it would drop some of its "indigenous innovation" rules that have riled foreign companies who say access to government equipment and technology orders hinge on their transferring patents and other intellectual property.

But business associations in China argue that enforcement of Beijing's promises has been spotty, particularly at the local government level, hampering foreign companies' access to a market estimated to be worth as much as $1 trillion a year.

In an offshoot of Washington's dissatisfaction with Beijing's trade policies, leaders in Washington have long argued that China's yuan currency is undervalued, giving Chinese companies a price advantage that costs U.S. jobs.

But the foreign business community in China -- concerned about what they see as China becoming more closed toward foreign investors in recent years -- has argued that the emphasis on yuan revaluation distracts from the most serious issues threatening U.S. business interests.

A coalition of 51 U.S. business groups sent a letter dated Wednesday to senators considering a currency bill, urging them to focus more on China's inadequate protection of intellectual property and restrictions on market access.

"... unilateral legislation on this issue would be counterproductive not only to the goals related to China's exchange rate that we all share, but also to our nation's broader objectives of addressing the many and growing challenges that we face in China," the groups said.

Piracy and counterfeiting of U.S. software and a wide range of other intellectual property in China cost U.S. businesses alone an estimated $48 billion and 2.1 million jobs in 2009, the U.S. International Trade Commission has said.

The United States' trade deficit with China hit a record $273 billion in 2010 and could top that this year.

In May, China was listed for the seventh year by the U.S. Trade Representative's office as a country with one of the worst records for preventing copyright theft.

US should should keep its mouth shut, they stole mig29 tech and su27 tech as well
 
Sounded as stupid as saying that if you drive around in bad neighborhood and get mugged or something, it was not your fault. You knew it was a bad area! These businesses understand the risk very well and they still invest because they are greedy as f...k. It cannot get more retarded than that.
In a way, I can even accept your argument. But driving through a 'bad neighborhood' does nothing good for the neighborhood while spending one's own money and making calculated risks in a a new business venture usually involve benefits to all sides. So from that perspective, your criticism failed.
 
"We're seeing China continue to be very, very aggressive in a strategy they started several decades ago, which goes like this: you want to sell to our country, we want you to come produce here ... if you want to come produce here, you need to transfer your technology to us," Geithner said.
But in spite of that America continues with its usual policy of using China as a manufacturing hub for American products! Because labor is cheap!! That's the bottom line.

Therefore, America should stop belly aching. It can't have the cake and eat it too! :azn:
 
In a way, I can even accept your argument. But driving through a 'bad neighborhood' does nothing good for the neighborhood while spending one's own money and making calculated risks in a a new business venture usually involve benefits to all sides. So from that perspective, your criticism failed.



Is that why American businesses went to China? To "help" each other? It was nothing more than slaver labor for them. Piss poor salaries, non existing labor laws, horrible working conditions..Yeah, I can see their concern for local population. If their actions actually resulted in helping the "neighborhood", it was not because they wanted it. Infact if it was up to them, they would have kept China just as poor as it was in late 80s. Now wages are up, labor laws and working conditions are up and companies are moving out. This is nothing more than human exploitation.

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But in spite of that America continues with its usual policy of using China as a manufacturing hub for American products! Because labor is cheap!! That's the bottom line.

Therefore, America should stop belly aching. It can't have the cake and eat it too! :azn:



Greed. Nothing more. These companies could have stayed in US and kept America ,as a whole, prosperous. But few rich men wanted to get even richer and now they have screwed America thoroughly. As for as I am concerned, this is Karmic Justice.
 
But in spite of that America continues with its usual policy of using China as a manufacturing hub for American products! Because labor is cheap!! That's the bottom line.

Therefore, America should stop belly aching. It can't have the cake and eat it too! :azn:
And did we forced such a pricing policy? We are not investing in some tribes just discovered in the jungle who barely know how to use fire. But if that is the case, then we would not be sending engineers but simply Boy Scouts. As I am in semicon manufacturing, if we invest in China, we would be hiring Chinese engineers, buying local Chinese building products, hiring local workers, injecting money into many related industries, etc. In doing so, we would be imparting knowledge as well. Everyone benefits.

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There is no need for China to commit theft and fraud to the scale that it became an international issue.
 
Is that why American businesses went to China? To "help" each other? It was nothing more than slaver labor for them. Piss poor salaries, non existing labor laws, horrible working conditions..Yeah, I can see their concern for local population. If their actions actually resulted in helping the "neighborhood", it was not because they wanted it. Infact if it was up to them, they would have kept China just as poor as it was in late 80s. Now wages are up, labor laws and working conditions are up and companies are moving out. This is nothing more than human exploitation.
Of course, China can be just like NKR and shut everyone out. This way, no one can exploit the Chinese people. No one can gauge the rate of Chinese labor. May be this is why NKR keeps people out: To prevent others from spoiling that "Worker's Paradise".
 
And did we forced such a pricing policy? We are not investing in some tribes just discovered in the jungle who barely know how to use fire. But if that is the case, then we would not be sending engineers but simply Boy Scouts. As I am in semicon manufacturing, if we invest in China, we would be hiring Chinese engineers, buying local Chinese building


You actually work in a fab lab?
 
Of course, China can be just like NKR and shut everyone out. This way, no one can exploit the Chinese people. No one can gauge the rate of Chinese labor. May be this is why NKR keeps people out: To prevent others from spoiling that "Worker's Paradise".

But China is coming out as winner here! It recognized very early that American people will sell their family for extra dollar. We destroyed our manufacturing capability, turned 50% American into working poor and now we have regrets? Too late. Now average blue collar worker is fighting for 10 dollar job and believes that is as good as it is going to get.
 

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