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you will turn us into smoke and we will sit quite
and you want to sign on ur expiry date..huh..
Did I ever say that you won't do anything? Grow up,kid.
Time to test Indias Cold Start Doctrine
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Did I ever say that you won't do anything? Grow up,kid.
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For one reason or other, you just can not make it.Thats why I am saying COLD START is now dead option.
Resolving disputes by dialogue is in our mutual benefit, hope you give up such offensive doctrines and will develop trusted relation with neighbour country.
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India will never intiate cold start.
THEIR gdp is ready to cross the $2 trillion mark next year or early 2013.
They booming economy at 8% growth.
THEY WILL LOSE THIS GROWETH TRAJECTORY OR MOMENTUM in a war even short term.
MONEY AND GROWTH IS FAR MORE USEFUL TO INDIA LONG TERM
THEIR gdp is ready to cross the $2 trillion mark next year or early 2013.
They booming economy at 8% growth.
THEY WILL LOSE THIS GROWETH TRAJECTORY OR MOMENTUM in a war even short term.
MONEY AND GROWTH IS FAR MORE USEFUL TO INDIA LONG TERM
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Yep, Obama couldn't even manage the economy given that he was an opponent of Bush's policies. And funnily, Bush was able to keep the economy afloat while managing two wars at the same time.
Maybe it's possible that the US intends to use India as a proxy, but I really doubt if India would ever play by that.
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1. India is not addicted to its economical prosperity yet and people are ready to live poor but wouldn't mind any Indian offences against any neighbouring state; who would undermine its union.
2. It would be a sign of failure of Indian forces as an institution if they would prerequisite Pakistan into shambles first, by Indian state using illegal means of spreading terrorism, Investing in stateless actors, separatist insurgencies, economical blockade, and international isolation of Pakistan; before going for offences.
Cold start is (should be) independent of such considerations when choosing an optimum time (Pakistan in shambles first) to go for it. CSD is a reaction to something wrong happening against us from Pakistani sides not a preemptive adventure. One of the good guy from good ranks once told me that India has already gained that reaction from Pakistan against us to initiate cold start at whim, just his thoughts.
3. Pakistan's internal security issues are not Indian army's concern, any thing which will fell to our favour is/will be a plus point otherwise no military strategist is going to waste brain matter for rag tag gun wending barbarians showing resistance against Pakistan or Indian battle groups. Even Pakistani military strategist are not going to waste resources for low level local conflicts or insurgencies/act of anarchy at that time. So there is no need to have sleepless nights for any would be internal security issues, if one has good military mind. Military fights Military.
2. It would be a sign of failure of Indian forces as an institution if they would prerequisite Pakistan into shambles first, by Indian state using illegal means of spreading terrorism, Investing in stateless actors, separatist insurgencies, economical blockade, and international isolation of Pakistan; before going for offences.
Cold start is (should be) independent of such considerations when choosing an optimum time (Pakistan in shambles first) to go for it. CSD is a reaction to something wrong happening against us from Pakistani sides not a preemptive adventure. One of the good guy from good ranks once told me that India has already gained that reaction from Pakistan against us to initiate cold start at whim, just his thoughts.
3. Pakistan's internal security issues are not Indian army's concern, any thing which will fell to our favour is/will be a plus point otherwise no military strategist is going to waste brain matter for rag tag gun wending barbarians showing resistance against Pakistan or Indian battle groups. Even Pakistani military strategist are not going to waste resources for low level local conflicts or insurgencies/act of anarchy at that time. So there is no need to have sleepless nights for any would be internal security issues, if one has good military mind. Military fights Military.
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I just don't understand that whom should I take more seriously you or AUz . You want to resolve our disputes via talks while he want to nuke us.
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So like always you guyz will keep on troubling India with Kashmir and Terrorism and will switch on the self destructive mode of Indian sub continent when we'll question you.
You guyz don't even have confidence on your Armed Forces' war fighting capabilities and even then one moron was saying 2 pages back that its India who don't have balls.
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This is not actually funny article. It is something serious and Pakistan Army took note of CSD years ago... and Pakistan Army itself knows that it cannot be implemented but when Indian Forces take aggressive steps then Pakistan also have to be a little aggressive, e.g. the article says "Pakistan has already deployed nuclear-armed ballistic missiles on its borders. The missiles would provide a deterrent to the use of nuclear weapons by either Pakistan or any other country. No doubt, Pakistan’s strategic nuclear forces have acquired the desired edge. It is also prepared for nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is visiting various garrisons to witness the functioning of Command and Control System (CCS). War is no solution to bring peace but when it is imposed, it is the only option. "
And CSD is nothing new... it alread exists in NATO and is centuries old... Its nothing but sort surprise attack.
Indian Cold Start Doctrine
Cold Start is a military doctrine developed by the Indian Armed Forces in 2004. It involves joint operations between India's three main services (Army, Navy, and Air Force) and integrated battle groups for offensive operations. Cold Start Doctrine aims at offensive operations on other countries in a surprising manner by minimizing the mobilization time and using Air Power.
Cold Start Doctrine is not a new concept, in fact, such strategy already exist in NATO.
Indian Cold Start Doctrine is said to be Pakistan specific. But it must be kept in mind that no country/army in the world will ever ‘publish’ (disclose) their future war strategy.
Defensive Corps/Holding Corps (Indian Army): As the name suggest, this group of Corps is meant to be deployed closer to border with a primary task of ‘hold the line’ or ‘defend the border/LoC’. In other words, holding the advancement of any invading army was/is the primary role of these corps.
Strike Corps (Indian Army): Primary task of strike corps is to attack Pakistan. Strike Corps are deployed far away from borders. So, India, will first have to move Strike Corp elements far away from existing garrisons/cantonments’ if they really want ‘Cold Start’ to be ‘Cold Start’ and not a ‘Failed Attempt’.
Cold Start is just a written doctrine and can NEVER be executed against Pakistan due to our nuclear weapons. But capability of our Defending Corps must be increased to reduce the risk. This doctrine can be very successfully executed against countries like Nepal and Sri Lanka because they neither have nuclear weapons nor any effective air defense systems.
Recommendations/Problems of Cold Start Doctrine
Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and Pakistan Army (PA) should increase their Air Defense capability. PAF should induct more AWACS. The numerical difference between Indian Air Force (IAF) and PAF is reducing continuously largely due to induction of JF-17 Thunder in PAF. IAF, though inducting high level weapons and combat aircrafts holds a very poor record of maintenance. It has the worst crash record in history. Indian Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM’s) are no solution to Pakistan’s Ballistic and Cruise Missiles . But state-of-the-art fighter's like F-15 E and F-22 should be inducted in PAF as soon as possible. (May be I took wrong names
) And induction of JF-17's and FC-20 are much more important.
Pakistan Navy (PN) should induct fast moving ships in order to enhance their mobility. Blue Water IN with aircraft carrier and numerical strength will give us serious and effective resistance in case of war. Their amphibious landing capability is also a threat to our coastal areas.
Slow mobilization of large armour of Indian army was witnessed in 2002’s Military stand-off It took three weeks for Indian armor divisions to converge on advance positions along Pakistan-India border.
Indian Army has been unsuccessful in any conventional war against Pakistan (other than 1971). So, it is obvious that it’s impossible for them to capture a nation having WMD’s.
Pakistan’s close ties with Gulf States and Indian dependence on these states for fuel is another problem for India. In future conflict with Pakistan, India will need huge fuel reserves because during the war the Gulf States will hopefully not export fuel to India (though this can NOT be said for sure).
Pak-Iran military and strategic ties. Iran can supply Pakistan with critical energy resources in times of war. On the contrary, India has no such neighbor.
Wireless communication ability of Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers should be increased. Cantonments should be built near the border.
India is itself an unstable country and is constantly under threat of civil war.
---------- Post added at 06:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:54 PM ----------
In 1974 India conducted a nuclear test but it was something not WAR WORTHY.
And CSD is nothing new... it alread exists in NATO and is centuries old... Its nothing but sort surprise attack.
Indian Cold Start Doctrine
Cold Start is a military doctrine developed by the Indian Armed Forces in 2004. It involves joint operations between India's three main services (Army, Navy, and Air Force) and integrated battle groups for offensive operations. Cold Start Doctrine aims at offensive operations on other countries in a surprising manner by minimizing the mobilization time and using Air Power.
Cold Start Doctrine is not a new concept, in fact, such strategy already exist in NATO.
Indian Cold Start Doctrine is said to be Pakistan specific. But it must be kept in mind that no country/army in the world will ever ‘publish’ (disclose) their future war strategy.
Defensive Corps/Holding Corps (Indian Army): As the name suggest, this group of Corps is meant to be deployed closer to border with a primary task of ‘hold the line’ or ‘defend the border/LoC’. In other words, holding the advancement of any invading army was/is the primary role of these corps.
Strike Corps (Indian Army): Primary task of strike corps is to attack Pakistan. Strike Corps are deployed far away from borders. So, India, will first have to move Strike Corp elements far away from existing garrisons/cantonments’ if they really want ‘Cold Start’ to be ‘Cold Start’ and not a ‘Failed Attempt’.
Cold Start is just a written doctrine and can NEVER be executed against Pakistan due to our nuclear weapons. But capability of our Defending Corps must be increased to reduce the risk. This doctrine can be very successfully executed against countries like Nepal and Sri Lanka because they neither have nuclear weapons nor any effective air defense systems.
Recommendations/Problems of Cold Start Doctrine
Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and Pakistan Army (PA) should increase their Air Defense capability. PAF should induct more AWACS. The numerical difference between Indian Air Force (IAF) and PAF is reducing continuously largely due to induction of JF-17 Thunder in PAF. IAF, though inducting high level weapons and combat aircrafts holds a very poor record of maintenance. It has the worst crash record in history. Indian Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM’s) are no solution to Pakistan’s Ballistic and Cruise Missiles . But state-of-the-art fighter's like F-15 E and F-22 should be inducted in PAF as soon as possible. (May be I took wrong names
) And induction of JF-17's and FC-20 are much more important.Pakistan Navy (PN) should induct fast moving ships in order to enhance their mobility. Blue Water IN with aircraft carrier and numerical strength will give us serious and effective resistance in case of war. Their amphibious landing capability is also a threat to our coastal areas.
Slow mobilization of large armour of Indian army was witnessed in 2002’s Military stand-off It took three weeks for Indian armor divisions to converge on advance positions along Pakistan-India border.
Indian Army has been unsuccessful in any conventional war against Pakistan (other than 1971). So, it is obvious that it’s impossible for them to capture a nation having WMD’s.
Pakistan’s close ties with Gulf States and Indian dependence on these states for fuel is another problem for India. In future conflict with Pakistan, India will need huge fuel reserves because during the war the Gulf States will hopefully not export fuel to India (though this can NOT be said for sure).
Pak-Iran military and strategic ties. Iran can supply Pakistan with critical energy resources in times of war. On the contrary, India has no such neighbor.
Wireless communication ability of Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers should be increased. Cantonments should be built near the border.
India is itself an unstable country and is constantly under threat of civil war.
---------- Post added at 06:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:54 PM ----------
In 1974 India conducted a nuclear test but it was something not WAR WORTHY.
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