Featured Time to bury the past and move forward: COAS Bajwa

[padamchen]

Agno is veteran. It was pleasure to read his detailed discussions. Now, probably he is aging

We are all aging.

We lost Razi to matrimony and ghar grihasthi chakki peesing.

Cheers, Doc

 

[HRK]

Another Hypocritical line of thinking quoted below

Then drag on the fighting until we return to being cave men.

why wait till that time we just need to wait till time when cost of disputes becomes higher than cost for Peace ....

In case of Pakistan Kashmir is an issue related to our survival therefore No Cost for Kashmir is greater then our own survival so we are bound to bear the cost no matter what circumstances would be .... same is not the case with India the Union Of India IS NOT DEPENDANT on Kashmir.

Therefore there will be a limit India could bear the cost for Kashmir, IF India want war and put its survival on stake so be it .... let the Indian establishment decide how would they survive after a full fledged war leading to Nuclear catastrophe in South Asia, let them conduct cost benefit analysis, we might not survive after Nuclear war but we would defiantly ceased to exit as an STATE without the Liberation of India occupied Kashmir.

Till then we just have to keep the Kashmir Dispute alive by hook or by crook.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Yea bury the past without doing anything or taking any action where needed.
Had it been musharraf he could have opened the Kashmir front.

It was Mushraf who allowed LOC to have wired....called kashmiri leader with inappropriate name ....kissed the hand of vajpai......and as his FM Mr qasoori said almost decided to seal the fate of kashmir by accepting LOC as border...I believe same is happening now

 

[pakpride00090]

It was Mushraf who allowed LOC to have wired....called kashmiri leader with inappropriate name ....kissed the hand of vajpai......and as his FM Mr qasoori said almost decided to seal the fate of kashmir by accepting LOC as border...I believe same is happening now

Musharraf actually tried ..Kashmiris didn't help him by telling Indian army their positions

 

[H!TchHiker]

Musharraf actually tried ..Kashmiris didn't help him by telling Indian army their positions

Mashallah now kahsmiris are also accused of betrayal ........musharaf just used everything to gain power nothing else ...we shall wait how our beloved Pakistanis and government will nominate modi for nobel peace award also ...just a few months back modi was hitler and what not.....

 

[pakpride00090]

Mashallah now kahsmiris are also accused of betrayal ........musharaf just used everything to gain power nothing else ...we shall wait how our beloved Pakistanis and government will nominate modi for nobel peace award also ...just a few months back modi was hitler and what not.....

There are times in life that once gone , never come back.

Kashmiris had their chance in 1965 and 1999... Too bad they didn't capitalize during those two events. 1999 was probably the last attempt because of advent of nuclear weapons.

 

[H!TchHiker]

There are times in life that once gone , never come back.

Kashmiris had their chance in 1965 and 1999... Too bad they didn't capitalize during those two events. 1999 was probably the last attempt because of advent of nuclear weapons.

So kashmir is no longer issue..then what's our problem with India ? Why we were calling modi a hitler or why still we have not open borders with India and doing trades ...simply declare kashmir is no longer a problem ...so now meetings with MOdi and inviting modi will no longer be issue ? seems Jinnah was wrong in calling kashmir a jugular vien or to fight for it..
Musharaf was fool and we continue to bleed for a years due to his selfish policies ...a man ran away and can't live in his on country

 

[SecularNationalist]

It was Mushraf who allowed LOC to have wired....called kashmiri leader with inappropriate name ....kissed the hand of vajpai......and as his FM Mr qasoori said almost decided to seal the fate of kashmir by accepting LOC as border...I believe same is happening now

That was actually his way of kicking indian butt. Shaking with one hand and slapping with another. Only he had the balls to start kargil. He didn't take any shit from the Indian side like the current leadership is taking.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

That was actually his way of kicking indian butt. Shaking with one hand and slapping with another. Only he had the balls to start kargil. He didn't take any shit from the Indian side like the current leadership is taking.

Musharraf and Imran Khan are the best leaders Pakistan have had since 1989...but the point is does the Army follow Imran Khan's diktats or is it the other way round?

 

[SecularNationalist]

Musharraf and Imran Khan are the best leaders Pakistan have had since 1989...but the point is does the Army follow Imran Khan's diktats or is it the other way round?

What makes you think so?
There is a military influence I still agree but it's 2021 not 1999 military is much more supervised and controlled these days.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Did it hurt ? If you can't digest an opinion and go down to using personal attack then there is a problem with you. Secondly coming to rest of your point on topic, I don't expect any Pakistani to accept Modi as a global leader. As far as my point on Azad Kashmir is concerned, only a blind can't see how the focus in Indian leadership has shifted to areas other than Indian side of Kashmir. You can either continue to be ignorant or take cues from here to understand how Modi's strategists think.

Do you guys get paid to be this deluded and crawl up Modi's rear end or does it just come naturally to you?

I mean, you might have some iota of credibility had you all not already lost it trying to promulgate lie after lie after India's surgical strikes & Balakot fiascos.

Doc,

You don't have any confusion, much like the Nazis, KKK etc have no confusion.

They might be racist, deluded nut-jobs living in a world long lost to them (haven't accepted reality yet) , but they (and you) certainly are not confused.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Did it hurt ? If you can't digest an opinion and go down to using personal attack then there is a problem with you. Secondly coming to rest of your point on topic, I don't expect any Pakistani to accept Modi as a global leader. As far as my point on Azad Kashmir is concerned, only a blind can't see how the focus in Indian leadership has shifted to areas other than Indian side of Kashmir. You can either continue to be ignorant or take cues from here to understand how Modi's strategists think.

Here's another perspective.

Modi and the Indian military were shown their place by Pakistan after both surgical strikes and the Balakot attack.

- After the so called surgical strikes, Pakistani authorities took the domestic and foreign media and foreign diplomats to the sites where India claimed to have conducted strikes to debunk Indian lies & propaganda.

- After the Balakot strikes, independent analysts debunked Indian claims about inflicting any damage, and satellite imagery confirmed that India inflicted no damage, and on top of that the PAF bombed areas close to Indian military installations as a warning and also shot down at least one IAF fighter, captured the pilot, caused India to shoot down its own helicopter killing all on board - basically embarrassed and humiliated Modi and India.

The only thing India could do, since it got humiliated militarily by Pakistan, was to take the cowards way out and attack the innocent Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir - revoke IoK's statehood, communications clampdown, curfews, military crackdown and put in place policies to commit demographic genocide in IoK.

Subsequently, Modi & India had the Galwan fiasco with China and yet more humiliation. To top it all off, the Trump Administration got booted out, and there is no guarantee that Biden, despite still carrying US Establishment baggage, would push for the kind of confrontational policies towards China that Trump did, which would in turn reduce India's utility for the US to 'contain China'.

Take all this together, and it's not about 'Modi being a great Statesman or politician', but the fact India realizes that it has tried and failed with its policies towards Pakistan and China, and is living in a fools world thinking that it can manage a single front war, let alone a two front war.

 

[SQ8]

Here's another perspective.

Modi and the Indian military were shown their place by Pakistan after both surgical strikes and the Balakot attack.

- After the so called surgical strikes, Pakistani authorities took the domestic and foreign media and foreign diplomats to the sites where India claimed to have conducted strikes to debunk Indian lies & propaganda.

- After the Balakot strikes, independent analysts debunked Indian claims about inflicting any damage, and satellite imagery confirmed that India inflicted no damage, and on top of that the PAF bombed areas close to Indian military installations as a warning and also shot down at least one IAF fighter, captured the pilot, caused India to shoot down its own helicopter killing all on board - basically embarrassed and humiliated Modi and India.

The only thing India could do, since it got humiliated militarily by Pakistan, was to take the cowards way out and attack the innocent Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir - revoke IoK's statehood, communications clampdown, curfews, military crackdown and put in place policies to commit demographic genocide in IoK.

Subsequently, Modi & India had the Galwan fiasco with China and yet more humiliation. To top it all off, the Trump Administration got booted out, and there is no guarantee that Biden, despite still carrying US Establishment baggage, would push for the kind of confrontational policies towards China that Trump did, which would in turn reduce India's utility for the US to 'contain China'.

Take all this together, and it's not about 'Modi being a great Statesman or politician', but the fact India realizes that it has tried and failed with its policies towards Pakistan and China, and is living in a fools world thinking that it can manage a single front war, let alone a two front war.

It all depends on whether you see the glass half full or half empty, or whether you see a glass at all. Perhaps a poor analogy but the proponents of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki cite ending the war and preventing many more millions of deaths as the reason it had to be done.

So if it turns out that a nervous but cordial detente is the that guarantees Pakistani access to water resources required for the foreseeable future while India gets a calm Kashmir valley and strict but open borders for Kashmiris - along with slowly opening access to Afg, Iran and Central asia; that the bloodlust the current millennials carry over from the gen x tones down in Gen Z, then it may be worth it for both states to accept a mutual agreement and let the extremist variety Indians claiming victory or their counterparts shout themselves to sore throats while the rest of the world goes on.

 

[khansaheeb]

It's already resolved, it's a 100% Muslim area of Pakistan

Unresolved is a occupied Kashmir with a Muslim population stuck in a increasingly divided communal hindutva extremist state

Northern Pakistani territories under Indian control will be freed one day from the cruel and barbaric Indian occupation.

 

[khansaheeb]

China and Pakistan should keep up the relentless pressure and give the the Indians same treatment along the border: high , sustained , concentrated firing so their soldiers crack under the pressure.