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Time is running short for "drone strikes" in Pakistan!

why would China have to act ? its okay we all know in the exchange of $$$$$$$$$$$ Russia works with India.When we are in a state of war with US n India than you should see tunnels we made from China to Pakistan.

you are misinformed my friend russia does not work with india alone it works with china too at the same level .
war what is it? conducting missiles attack inside a country's terrority if this is not war then there will never be a war.
and yes we work for the $$$$$$$$ so does does the rest of the world.

thanx
 
I think maybe Musharaff should be given a second chance.Then again I don't know whether is he missed at all by the Pakistanis.or was he too a weakling like Zardari?
 
I think maybe Musharaff should be given a second chance.Then again I don't know whether is he missed at all by the Pakistanis.or was he too a weakling like Zardari?

He has done enough, a second time would just destroy Pakistan.
 
He has done enough, a second time would just destroy Pakistan.
and I suppose Zardari, and your jahel jiyala dacoits are a better alternative? you can always expect PPP jiyalas to function without logic and common sense.
 

By Karen DeYoung and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 16, 2008; A01

The United States and Pakistan reached tacit agreement in September on a don't-ask-don't-tell policy that allows unmanned Predator aircraft to attack suspected terrorist targets in rugged western Pakistan, according to senior officials in both countries. In recent months, the U.S. drones have fired missiles at Pakistani soil at an average rate of once every four or five days.

The officials described the deal as one in which the U.S. government refuses to publicly acknowledge the attacks while Pakistan's government continues to complain noisily about the politically sensitive strikes.

The arrangement coincided with a suspension of ground assaults into Pakistan by helicopter-borne U.S. commandos. Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said in an interview last week that he was aware of no ground attacks since one on Sept. 3 that his government vigorously protested.

Officials described the attacks, using new technology and improved intelligence, as a significant improvement in the fight against Pakistan-based al-Qaeda and Taliban forces. Officials confirmed the deaths of at least three senior al-Qaeda figures in strikes last month.

Zardari said that he receives "no prior notice" of the airstrikes and that he disapproves of them. But he said he gives the Americans "the benefit of the doubt" that their intention is to target the Afghan side of the ill-defined, mountainous border of Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), even if that is not where the missiles land.

Civilian deaths remain a problem, Zardari said. "If the damage is women and children, then the sensitivity of its effect increases," he said. The U.S. "point of view," he said, is that the attacks are "good for everybody. Our point of view is that it is not good for our position of winning the hearts and minds of people."

A senior Pakistani official said that although the attacks contribute to widespread public anger in Pakistan, anti-Americanism there is closely associated with President Bush. Citing a potentially more favorable popular view of President-elect Barack Obama, he said that "maybe with a new administration, public opinion will be more pro-American and we can start acknowledging" more cooperation.

The official, one of several who discussed the sensitive military and intelligence relationship only on the condition of anonymity, said the U.S-Pakistani understanding over the airstrikes is "the smart middle way for the moment." Contrasting Zardari with his predecessor, retired Gen. Pervez Musharraf, the official said Musharraf "gave lip service but not effective support" to the Americans. "This government is delivering but not taking the credit."

From December to August, when Musharraf stepped down, there were six U.S. Predator attacks in Pakistan. Since then, there have been at least 19. The most recent occurred early Friday, when local officials and witnesses said at least 11 people, including six foreign fighters, were killed. The attack, in North Waziristan, one of the seven FATA regions, demolished a compound owned by Amir Gul, a Taliban commander said to have ties to al-Qaeda.

Pakistan's self-praise is not entirely echoed by U.S. officials, who remain suspicious of ties between Pakistan's intelligence service and FATA-based extremists. But the Bush administration has muted its criticism of Pakistan. In a speech to the Atlantic Council last week, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden effusively praised Pakistan's recent military operations, including "tough fighting against hardened militants" in the northern FATA region of Bajaur.

"Throughout the FATA," Hayden said, "al-Qaeda and its allies are feeling less secure today than they did two, three or six months ago. It has become difficult for them to ignore significant losses in their ranks." Hayden acknowledged, however, that al-Qaeda remains a "determined, adaptive enemy," operating from a "safe haven" in the tribal areas.

Along with the stepped-up Predator attacks, Bush administration strategy includes showering Pakistan's new leaders with close, personal attention. Zardari met with Bush during the U.N. General Assembly in September, and senior military and intelligence officials have exchanged near-constant visits over the past few months.

Pakistan's new intelligence chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, traveled to Washington in late October, and Gen. David H. Petraeus, installed on Oct. 31 as head of the U.S. Central Command, visited Islamabad on his third day in office. On Wednesday, Hayden flew to New York for a secret visit with Zardari, who was attending a U.N. conference.

Zardari spoke over the telephone with Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), a conversation Pakistani officials said they considered an initial contact with the incoming Obama administration. Although Kerry has been mentioned as a possible secretary of state, the officials said he indicated that he expects to continue in the Senate, where he is in line to take over Vice President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s position as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Despite improved relations with the Bush administration, Zardari said, "we think we need a new dialogue, and we're hoping that the new government will . . . understand that Pakistan has done more than they recognize" and is a victim of the same insurgency the United States is fighting. Pakistan hopes that a $7.6 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund, announced yesterday, will spark new international investment and aid.

Pakistan, whose military has received more than $10 billion in direct U.S. payments since 2001, also wants the United States to provide sophisticated weapons to its armed forces, Zardari said. Rather than using U.S. Predator-fired missiles against Pakistani territory, he asked, why not give Pakistan its own Predators? "Give them to us. . . . we are your allies," he said.

Last month, officials confirmed, Predator strikes in the FATA killed Khalid Habib, described as al-Qaeda's No. 4 official, and senior operatives Abu Jihad al-Masri and Abu Hassan al-Rimi. Three other senior al-Qaeda figures -- explosives expert Abu Khabab al-Masri, Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi and senior commander Abu Laith al-Libi --were killed during the first nine months of the year.

Current and former U.S. counterterrorism officials said improved intelligence has been an important factor in the increased tempo and precision of the Predator strikes. Over the past year, they said, the United States has been able to improve its network of informants in the border region while also fielding new hardware that allows close tracking of the movements of suspected militants.

The missiles are fired from unmanned aircraft by the CIA. But the drones are only part of a diverse network of machines and software used by the agency to spot terrorism suspects and follow their movements, the officials said. The equipment, much of which remains highly classified, includes an array of powerful sensors mounted on satellites, airplanes, blimps and drones of every size and shape.

Before 2002, the CIA had no experience in using the Predator as a weapon. But in recent years -- and especially in the past 12 months -- spy agencies have honed their skills at tracking and killing single individuals using aerial vehicles operated by technicians hundreds or thousands of miles away. James R. Clapper Jr., the Pentagon's chief intelligence officer, said the new brand of warfare has "gotten very laserlike and very precise."

"It's having the ability, once you know who you're after, to study and watch very steadily and consistently -- persistently," Clapper told a recent gathering of intelligence professionals and contractors in Nashville. "And then, at the appropriate juncture, with due regard for reducing collateral casualties or damage, going after that individual."

Two former senior intelligence officials familiar with the use of the Predator in Pakistan said the rift between Islamabad and Washington over the unilateral attacks was always less than it seemed.

"By killing al-Qaeda, you're helping Pakistan's military and you're disrupting attacks that could be carried out in Karachi and elsewhere," said one official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Pakistan's new acquiescence coincided with the new government there and a sharp increase in domestic terrorist attacks, including the September bombing of the Marriott hotel in Islamabad.

"The attacks inside Pakistan have changed minds," the official said. "These guys are worried, as they should be."
 
I think you need to work on your own elegance. The phrase "speechless of how to counter" isn't even proper english, if you wanted to use those words you should have said something like "I am too speechless to counter" . :lol:

My grammer is not my forte, but atleast it is not a fragment!!!:woot:

Now can we get back to thread instead of dilly dalling (hot diggati dog that's not proper grammer either) around. Thanks
 
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US strikes in Pakistan will continue: Gates

Updated at: 2103 PST, Tuesday, January 27, 2009

WASHINGTON: The United States will continue to carry out missile strikes against al Qaeda militants in Pakistan, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Tuesday.

"Both President Bush and President Obama have made clear that we will go after al Qaeda wherever al Qaeda is and we will continue to pursue that," Gates said.

Asked by committee chairman Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, if that decision had been conveyed to the Pakistani government, Gates replied: "Yes, sir."


It's a outward shame that Pakistan will go through this nonsense. It's so unjust so many way it's almost criminal. Pakistan supposted to be the front line fight against terrorism but now it become a victim of aggresion.

May Allah save pakistan and it's people......:pakistan:


US strikes in Pakistan will continue: Gates - GEO.tv
 
The War on terror for Americans is perceived mainly as an existential struggle, while for Pakistanie it is interested in stopping the spread of salafist extremism, and has no interest in global war. And there lies the bases of the problem, if the Pakistan establishment looked at this in global perspective, the war would be fought very differently, and cause effect would be better then it is now.
 
Good observation.

Pakistan can't be expected to contribute globally and isn't. It's contributions, though, locally to such an effort are critical. Here, because of their inability to reach these targets, there BEST contribution is the tacit agreement that we are best able through PREDATOR and must carry the ball ourselves.

We reluctantly understand and concur. I only wish that the GoP AND military share this forthrightly to their citizens and the real reasons why.

...of course, there's the small matter that doing so would bring about the collapse of the government and the likely murders of such from any number of different camps if not many or all together. The military's voice with the government would change much of that, though. Sadly, I don't think that moral/oral support will be forthcoming.

This is between the Pakistani government and it's citizens. There will be a frank discussion of matters or not in accordance with their needs and expectations.

It seems as though there have already been solid communications between the administrations of both nations about mutual expectations. What those actually are and their limits remains to be seen.
 
By NBC News’ Carol Grisanti and Mushtaq Yusufzai



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Supporters of the Pakistani Islamist party Jamat-e-Islami protest U.S. drone attacks in Karachi on Sunday.




Pakistanis outraged over continued drone attacks - World Blog - msnbc.com

After such a big rally, I guess no one told these people that the word TRIBES was spelled wrong.
 
its time to shoot down the drones and overthrow the Zardari and Karzais government and armed Taliban to fight against US like we did in the Soviet-Afgan war.US should start pre-paring some confins.
 
Pakistan, whose military has received more than $10 billion in direct U.S. payments since 2001,

So folks on this side of the indus will receive aid in lieu of the lives of a few folks on the other side of the indus. And people blame the US.
 
Whenever I travel around India, I always spot signs that are spelt incorrectly or they seem to be worded in a very unusual or interesting way. Whether they're shop signs or road signs, spelling mistakes are quite common. Sometimes the mistakes and phrases are hilarious and so I end up taking photographs of them. I hope you enjoy this set!




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