Tianhe-2 will soon switch to the domestic processors

[ChineseTiger1986]

And Tianhe-3 is on the way to become the world's first exascale supercomputer by 2020.

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/556/556248.htm

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Tianhe-2 vs Tianhe-2A comparison

https://www.top500.org/news/tianhe-2-supercomputer-being-upgraded-to-95-petaflops/

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

And Tianhe-3 is on the way to become the world's first exascale supercomputer by 2020.

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/556/556248.htm

Strictly it is incorrect. Tianhe uses domestic accelerators not processors.

You can see that in the image.

Also China has three exa scale prototypes, no body knows which machine will win the race yet.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Strictly it is incorrect. Tianhe uses domestic accelerators not processors.

You can see that in the image.

Also China has three exa scale prototypes, no body knows which machine will win the race yet.

It is about the Tianhe-2A, not the Tianhe-2.

The Tianhe-2A will use the domestic precessors, and its Rpeak performance will be nearly doubled compared to the Tianhe-2.

 

[Martian2]

China builds the domestic Sunway Taihulight SW26010 64-bit RISC microprocessor, which is based on the indigenous Sunway architecture.

A Look Inside China’s Chart-Topping New Supercomputer | The Next Platform (June 20, 2016)

"The Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer, which was developed at the National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering and Technology (NRCPC) and is in full production running early-stage workloads at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi, China, features the custom-designed SW26010 processor. The ShenWei chips are said to bear a strong resemblance to the Digital Alpha chip, but according to Top 500 list co-founder and renowned HPC researcher, Dr. Jack Dongarra, it is not an Alpha variant—at least based on his questions for the center, which shared the details following recent benchmarking runs for both LINPACK (the Top 500 metric) and the newer data movement-focused HPCG benchmark (analysis of TaihuLight rankings here)." (third paragraph in the article)
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The Tianhe-3 will use a domestic Chinese microprocessor.

China set to take the lead in supercomputers with ridiculously powerful ‘exascale’ machine slated for 2018 | ZME Science (May 14, 2017)

"Tianhe-3 will be produced using only domestical sources, with Chinese industry and know-how supplying everything from the processors to the operating system." (last paragraph in the article)

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China builds the domestic Sunway Taihulight SW26010 64-bit RISC microprocessor, which is based on the indigenous Sunway architecture.

A Look Inside China’s Chart-Topping New Supercomputer | The Next Platform (June 20, 2016)

"The Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer, which was developed at the National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering and Technology (NRCPC) and is in full production running early-stage workloads at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi, China, features the custom-designed SW26010 processor. The ShenWei chips are said to bear a strong resemblance to the Digital Alpha chip, but according to Top 500 list co-founder and renowned HPC researcher, Dr. Jack Dongarra, it is not an Alpha variant—at least based on his questions for the center, which shared the details following recent benchmarking runs for both LINPACK (the Top 500 metric) and the newer data movement-focused HPCG benchmark (analysis of TaihuLight rankings here)." (third paragraph in the article)
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The Tianhe-3 will use a domestic Chinese microprocessor.

China set to take the lead in supercomputers with ridiculously powerful ‘exascale’ machine slated for 2018 | ZME Science (May 14, 2017)

"Tianhe-3 will be produced using only domestical sources, with Chinese industry and know-how supplying everything from the processors to the operating system." (last paragraph in the article)

Now there are 202 Chinese supercomputers in the top 500 ranks, also the utility of the Chinese domestic processors are increasing.

By 2020, over 60% of the top 500 supercomputer ranks will be Chinese with the Chinese domestic processors.

 

[seesonic]

Real superpower. Looking forward to the chinese entering the consumer processor business with in house design, in house manufacturing (Y)

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

It is about the Tianhe-2A, not the Tianhe-2.

The Tianhe-2A will use the domestic precessors, and its Rpeak performance will be nearly doubled compared to the Tianhe-2.

No tianhe 2A is also going to use Intel CPUs. And it is even written on the slide that you shared. It is going to replace accelerators for indigenous ones.

Now there are 202 Chinese supercomputers in the top 500 ranks, also the utility of the Chinese domestic processors are increasing.

By 2020, over 60% of the top 500 supercomputer ranks will be Chinese with the Chinese domestic processors.

Again incorrect. There are very few Chinese supercomputers with Chinese processors. Most have Intel chips in them.

Also, Chinese companies like inspur as requested gaming the system by including computers which have nothing to do with hpc which are present in internet companies to run benchmarks. If companies like Google or Facebook started running benchmarks on their huge systems, than this whole list will be different.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No tianhe 2A is also going to use Intel CPUs. And it is even written on the slide that you shared. It is going to replace accelerators for indigenous ones.

That slide is old, and it was made before 2015 which the US set the embargo on the chips for China's supercomputer.

China's project to upgrade Tianhe-2 into Tianhe-2A is still unchanged as per se, but the upgrade will now use the Chinese processors instead the American ones.

The specs after the upgrade remains the same, which is nearly twice as fast in the Rpeak comparing to the original performance with or without the American CPU.

I know that jealousy is almost an incurable disease, since it is sucked to see that your beloved home country India is still getting dwindled in the ranking year after year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputing_in_India

 

[seesonic]

No tianhe 2A is also going to use Intel CPUs. And it is even written on the slide that you shared. It is going to replace accelerators for indigenous ones.



Again incorrect. There are very few Chinese supercomputers with Chinese processors. Most have Intel chips in them.

Also, Chinese companies like inspur as requested gaming the system by including computers which have nothing to do with hpc which are present in internet companies to run benchmarks. If companies like Google or Facebook started running benchmarks on their huge systems, than this whole list will be different.

Truck of bullocks.

These supercomputers are used to do real engineering. They are designed to do so and it will remain as such.

Chinese has no time to game the benchmark. The demand of such system is huge in China due to real engineering work being done in China.

India on the other hand... Nevermind. No point explaining when our indian audience knows exactly why nothing gets done. While bashing Chinese achievement is always in their top priority

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

That slide is old, and it was made before 2015 which the US set the embargo on the chips for China's supercomputer.

China's project to upgrade Tianhe-2 into Tianhe-2A is still unchanged as per se, but the upgrade will now use the Chinese processors instead the American ones.

The specs after the upgrade remains the same, which is nearly twice as fast in the Rpeak comparing to the original performance with or without the American CPU.

Did you even try to read the article that you gave the link to here?

It clearly states that Tianhe 2A will host Chinese indigenous coprocessors (or accelerators).

The processors are still the same.

And I knew this information much before you because I am into HPC.

These slides are from a presentation made on September 18, in IHPCF, in Guangzhou.

Everyone who follows the HPC community even a little bit has known this for over 2 months.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLASH: Milkyway2 system, 4 &quot;Matrix-2000&quot; chips on a PCIe board to replace KNC to achieve 94.9PF, in addition to minor improvements. <a href="https://t.co/09SBwqVxRf">pic.twitter.com/09SBwqVxRf</a></p>&mdash; Satoshi Matsuoka (@ProfMatsuoka) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/909961494229479424

">September 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 nodes per board pair, each node has a Matrix-2000 card + Xeon from TH2 5.34TF. Mem incr. to 192GB, NW enhanced from 80 Gbps to 112 Gbps. <a href="https://t.co/lfb6h6DxF8">pic.twitter.com/lfb6h6DxF8</a></p>&mdash; Satoshi Matsuoka (@ProfMatsuoka) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/909977241718710272

">September 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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In fact here is a 21 page report detailing the Tianhe 2A system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jyh5qlgok73t1f/TH-2A-report.pdf?dl=0

I know that jealousy is almost an incurable disease, since it is sucked to see that your beloved home country India is still getting dwindled in the ranking year after year.

Well there is no jealousy. Just facts. I was the first one to speak out when some stupid Indians started claiming that they will have 132 exaflop computer by 2017.

I know for a fact that Chinese are way ahead of Indians.

But as my regards for fact goes, how can I withstand a frontal assault on facts?

 

[F-22Raptor]

No tianhe 2A is also going to use Intel CPUs. And it is even written on the slide that you shared. It is going to replace accelerators for indigenous ones.



Again incorrect. There are very few Chinese supercomputers with Chinese processors. Most have Intel chips in them.

Also, Chinese companies like inspur as requested gaming the system by including computers which have nothing to do with hpc which are present in internet companies to run benchmarks. If companies like Google or Facebook started running benchmarks on their huge systems, than this whole list will be different.

Thank you Bussard for presenting the facts. China's "supercomputer lead" is highly misleading. If the U.S. followed the same route of adding systems from Internet companies, this list would be dominated by U.S. systems. China is simply gaming the system out of "national pride."

 

[Martian2]

I think the US government has permanently banned Intel from the Chinese supercomputer market.

While the Tianhe-2 will retain its existing Intel Xeon processors, it is irrelevant because Intel cannot sell additional Intel Xeon core processors to Chinese supercomputer companies.

Going forward, we can only talk about indigenous Chinese CPU processors. Intel is out of the Chinese supercomputer market. It's not just Intel accelerators. The two citations below talk about Intel Xeon CORES.

There is a New World's Fastest Supercomputer...and it is all Chinese | Popular Science (June 24, 2016)

"ALL MADE IN CHINA
The Shenwei SW20610 has 260 of these 1.45Ghz CPUs, which are all completely designed and made in China.

The Sunway TaihuLight's 40,960 Shenwei SW26010 computing modules each contain 260 1.45Ghz CPU, which are all entirely designed and made in China. In contrast, the Tianhe 2 used Intel Xeon Phi cores for its processors (the ShenWei can thank a bit of its success to a US government ban on further Xeon core sales to China that was supposed to halt Chinese supercomputing)." [Third paragraph from the top of the article]
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Will Competition Affect Intel’s Dominance in the Data Center Market? | Market Realist (April 13, 2016)

"Qualcomm and AMD in the data center space
Speaking of China, Qualcomm has partnered with the Guizhou province to design and develop server chips for the Chinese market. On one hand, Qualcomm and IBM are tapping into China’s server market, the second-largest market after the United States. On the other hand, Intel has been banned from supplying its high-end Intel Xeons for Chinese supercomputers." [Fifth paragraph from the top of the article]

 

[AndrewJin]

Did you even try to read the article that you gave the link to here?

It clearly states that Tianhe 2A will host Chinese indigenous coprocessors (or accelerators).

The processors are still the same.

And I knew this information much before you because I am into HPC.

These slides are from a presentation made on September 18, in IHPCF, in Guangzhou.

Everyone who follows the HPC community even a little bit has known this for over 2 months.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLASH: Milkyway2 system, 4 &quot;Matrix-2000&quot; chips on a PCIe board to replace KNC to achieve 94.9PF, in addition to minor improvements. <a href="https://t.co/09SBwqVxRf">pic.twitter.com/09SBwqVxRf</a></p>&mdash; Satoshi Matsuoka (@ProfMatsuoka) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/909961494229479424

">September 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 nodes per board pair, each node has a Matrix-2000 card + Xeon from TH2 5.34TF. Mem incr. to 192GB, NW enhanced from 80 Gbps to 112 Gbps. <a href="https://t.co/lfb6h6DxF8">pic.twitter.com/lfb6h6DxF8</a></p>&mdash; Satoshi Matsuoka (@ProfMatsuoka) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/909977241718710272

">September 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


In fact here is a 21 page report detailing the Tianhe 2A system:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jyh5qlgok73t1f/TH-2A-report.pdf?dl=0




Well there is no jealousy. Just facts. I was the first one to speak out when some stupid Indians started claiming that they will have 132 exaflop computer by 2017.

I know for a fact that Chinese are way ahead of Indians.

But as my regards for fact goes, how can I withstand a frontal assault on facts?

they are not stupid.
PDF RSSers are genius and truth speakers.

Don't be racist to them

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thank you Bussard for presenting the facts. China's "supercomputer lead" is highly misleading. If the U.S. followed the same route of adding systems from Internet companies, this list would be dominated by U.S. systems. China is simply gaming the system out of "national pride."

Still, we will have two exascale monsters by the summer of next year.