Thousands of Hong Kong protesters sing Star Spangled Banner, wave American flags

[jamal18]

A lot of these people have gone through an English school 'western' education. White washed. Culturally different from the rest of China. Vomit inducingly cringe worthy. I am sure any true nationalistic Chinese would despise these people.
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[prashantazazel]

The only way out is if the US creates a separate land for the pro freedom Hong Kong people. Maybe some uninhabited or sparsely populated islands?
China won't let go of the land.


Side note- this is not propaganda. Freedom loving liberal people absolutely love the US, and some parts of western Europe. Leaders of other countries should wonder why.
I know for sure that I can have a better life in the US/New Zealand/Norway/Denmark/UK/Canada, than in my country.

 

[kankan326]

A lot of these people have gone through an English school 'western' education. White washed. Culturally different from the rest of China. Vomit inducingly cringe worthy. I am sure any true nationalistic Chinese would despise these people.
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EXactly. They are zombies in our eyes. Very naive and stupid. For example, Hongkong has world highest house price. These zombies can not affort one(One of reasons for they went to the street). Yet they want HK to be more free. We all know free market leads to monopoly. Monopoly leads to higher house price(Which is what HK experienced in last decades).

 

[prashantazazel]

They are gambling on wrong horse usa is falling

The US is held up by the best brains of the world, with only China as anything remotely close to a competition.

 

[-=virus=-]

People in syria and Libya wants Assad rule and Qaddafi days back. Dont you know that?

Russia under Yeltsin democracy of weak Russia revert back to Putin authoritarian which result in stronger and more independent Russia.

CCP is stronger and cannot solely rely on economy factor. More Chinese are patriotic becos large number of Chinese benefit from CCP system which lifts them out of poverty. You will be surprised if a vote really occurs and CCP will still retain majority rule over China.

I agree with most of your post but in a hypothetical situation where China conducts full democratic elections, the CCP will no doubt sweep to a landslide for a few terms because nobody has known anything different so they will "trust" in a known quantity. Over time, decades maybe, viable alternatives will eventually emerge, two major opposing ideologies for people to get behind, and then more streams within these will emerge.

As of now, people in China do not have a choice and they have not known a different way, for people in HK, it's mostly the prime working age 30s 40s and younger crowd that are fighting against the CCP system, they grew up in a better administered (in their opinion) system and style of government.

 

[bbccdd1470]

it's mostly the prime working age 30s 40s and younger crowd that are fighting against the CCP system, they grew up in a better administered (in their opinion) system and style of government.

Actually I don't know why they are fighting against CCP system, since we are not under the CCP system but One country and two systems. If you mean the system under the British ruled, then I do not see the big difference since both are authoritarian system.

 

[-=virus=-]

Actually I don't know why they are fighting against CCP system, since we are not under the CCP system but One country and two systems. If you mean the system under the British ruled, then I do not see the big difference since both are authoritarian system.

I don't understand it either because the news will have us believe it was all about some extradition law and Carrie Lam took too long to rescind it, it doesn't add up somehow.

Guy I spoke to lives there for a decade now, Indian guy, raising a young family so he kind of has a feel for things and that was his understanding from his ecosystem. Guess they just prefer the old imperial way of doing things bureaucracy wise... tell us more from your perspective. Are you a younger pro China guy ?

 

[bbccdd1470]

Well, my way of thinking is very normal to have safe environment to live a good life and to be productive to the society. Unlike the protesters, I'm pro China because we Chinese have a say "Without a country, then there has no families; Without a family, then there has no human". Also I'm a history guy, I learn and study a lots from the century of humiliation, and the recent wars and color revolutions. My parents also suffered under the British ruled, so that I realize HK today is actually much better than in the colonial times, the grass is not always greener on the other side. The West will never give a shit about anyone that is not their people, including us the HK people, and we are just a pawn between the US and China.

 

[nang2]

You have no understanding of civil liberties. You think just having greater growth rate means one should give away his freedom. That's bullshit argument if there ever was one.

Nonetheless, greater growth rate often indicates the increase of freedom. People need to be un-tethered in order to release their creative power. It may appear to give away his freedom while in fact gaining more. The actual gain or loss is what matters, not what it appears. Taking US for an example, in the last 100 years, it appears that they have gained more freedom with more democratic processes, but in fact, they lost much more by making the government more and more powerful to interfere with people's personal life.

 

[Beast]

Well, my way of thinking is very normal to have safe environment to live a good life and to be productive to the society. Unlike the protesters, I'm pro China because we Chinese have a say "Without a country, then there has no families; Without a family, then there has no human". Also I'm a history guy, I learn and study a lots from the century of humiliation, and the recent wars and color revolutions. My parents also suffered under the British ruled, so that I realize HK today is actually much better than in the colonial times, the grass is not always greener on the other side. The West will never give a shit about anyone that is not their people, including us the HK people, and we are just a pawn between the US and China.

Quite true, HK status for China is getting more and more insignificant. USD 400billion is not much compare to USD 14 trillion of China economy. I suggest you migrant to Shenzhen or Zhuhai if given the chances. I believe CPC will allow HK to rot itself to weed off those rotten core. But its not a choice CPC can choose. Dont blame CPC..

 

[nang2]

Well, my way of thinking is very normal to have safe environment to live a good life and to be productive to the society. Unlike the protesters, I'm pro China because we Chinese have a say "Without a country, then there has no families; Without a family, then there has no human". Also I'm a history guy, I learn and study a lots from the century of humiliation, and the recent wars and color revolutions. My parents also suffered under the British ruled, so that I realize HK today is actually much better than in the colonial times, the grass is not always greener on the other side. The West will never give a shit about anyone that is not their people, including us the HK people, and we are just a pawn between the US and China.

Your basic understanding is correct but you still fall into the regular trap of collectivism. Yes, country is important. But it is important not because without it there will be no families. If you look at the history, push all the way back to cave dwelling, you will see that families came before country. Without families, there would be no country. Not the other way around. The same applies to families and individuals.

But why is country important? It is important because it is a collective defense apparatus. Collective defense is an efficient form of defense. Imaging how much time is left to do anything else if each individual is left to defend himself. Before country appeared, it was family and later tribe that served this purpose. What people in HK don't understand or have been misinformed, ill educated or just misled is the importance of security. They treat their country with insult. They treat the policemen who actually protect them with insult. They are simply spoiled with decades of peace and they could only learn this lesson in a hard way, by losing the security. A chaotic HK will be good for them.

Seriously, you think you can compare US civil liberties with that of China. You are clearly brain washed. No point discussing further.

Your point about greater growth rate indicating greater freedom is absolute bullocks.

I am not comparing the two countries with their absolute states. I am comparing them with their trends. Unfortunately, you don't see the trends and only see the current states as if they will remain the same in the future. Nothing remains the same. Unfortunately, many Americans think in the same way as you do, which makes them arrogant.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I believe CPC will allow HK to rot itself to weed off those rotten core. But its not a choice CPC can choose. Dont blame CPC..

Don't worry about it! HK people that Pro-China already realize what is going to happen in HK and many of us are already preparing for the worst. Only those who deep in emotion, still have no idea what is going to happen to our city and economy, as you can see why they are still supporting and participating in the movement. Let's say this is the cost that all of us have to pay dearly.

 

[Beast]

Don't worry about it! HK people that Pro-China already realize what is going to happen in HK and many of us are already preparing for the worst. Only those who deep in emotion, still have no idea what is going to happen to our city and economy, as you can see why they are still supporting and participating in the movement. Let's say this is the cost that all of us have to pay dearly.

Hope this will be the right direction for HK.

 

[Sharky]

The world is behind Hong Kong. Good job ppl.

 

[Protest_again]

I am not comparing the two countries with their absolute states. I am comparing them with their trends. Unfortunately, you don't see the trends and only see the current states as if they will remain the same in the future. Nothing remains the same. Unfortunately, many Americans think in the same way as you do, which makes them arrogant.

Well I see the trend. It's Hong Kong and Taiwan protesting tooth and nail not to merge with CCP led China. They are your people, aren't they? Unfortunately, us outsiders have not much information about inner happenings of China for your wantonly alienating yourself from global popular social media and your extensive use of Chinese language rather than English.

But I'll tell you one thing though.If tomorrow US allows another country to be part of it, they'll jump at the opportunity. Why not ask Hong kongese if they want to be with US, you'll get the answer.

PS: You cannot predict future either way based on the trend though.