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Those nasty Chinese anti-ship missiles - By Tom Ricks | The Best Defense
Naval War College Review does its job and parses out the bubbling issue of the long-range MIRV'd Chinese anti-ship missiles. Here's the Chinese Communist Party's take: "China will never abuse its anti-ship missile capacity and launch strikes against foreign carriers without a justified reason." Feel better now? More on the People's Liberation Army Navy here.

Bottom line: It is time to invest less in manned aircraft for aircraft carriers, and more in stealthy, long-range UCAVs. (For the non-illuminati, that's "unmanned combat aerial vehicles" -- in other words, the wave of the future.) And if you can figure out a way to short sell the current generation of aircraft carriers, you can get rich.

Meanwhile, the new issue of Parameters, which used to be an interesting magazine, wraps up the Google vs. China situation. Bottom line: The Chinese offensives are great for people looking for nice fat infowar contracts from the Pentagon.

And AEI, the think tank that never saw a war it didn't like, approves of the Obama administration's emerging China policy. Hmmm -- who thinks that is a good sign?

Finally, Paul Krugman discusses the clear and present problem China presents. Hint: It is financial, not military.

Please visit the original for the links to the various sources he mentions.



What is perhaps more interesting than the article, is member JPWREL's comments under it


JPWREL 2:48 PM ET September 13, 2010 Really, AEI thinks Obama has...

Really, AEI thinks Obama has an emerging China policy?? Perhaps AEI could let us in on what they think (or hope) it is. The only policy I have been able to detect from the fumbling Obama Administration is perpetual whining about the dollar Yuan exchange rate (meaning the Chinese should upwardly revalue their currency). On second thought perhaps inquiring minds at AEI think that this is an issue worth starting a shooting war over? Sadly for them the only way we could likely finance such a war would be to borrow a couple of hundred billon from the Chinese first which would of course drive the dollar down further and the Yuan higher. No wonder the neocon geniuses at AEI hate all the paradoxes of economics. Having to think about financing a war when your polices have driven us to bankruptcy spoils all the fun of a good rockem sockem war that they can cheer from the safety of the sidelines.

REPLY SCOOP 2:38 PM ET September 13, 2010 China's 'Finlandization' Strategy In The Pacific
By Andrew F. Krepinevich, Wall Street Journal, September 11, 2010

"China's goal is to stop the U.S. from protecting its longstanding interests in the region—and to draw Washington's democratic allies and partners (such as Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) into its orbit. China's military buildup centers on a set of capabilities, called 'Assassin's Mace' by the Chinese, which is designed to exploit surprise. China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) sees the U.S. military's battle networks—which rely heavily on satellites and the Internet to identify targets, coordinate attacks, guide 'smart bombs' and more—as its Achilles' heel. The message to the U.S. and its allies is clear: China has the means to threaten the forward bases from which most U.S. strike aircraft operate."


REPLY JPWREL 3:26 PM ET September 13, 2010 SCOOP, we know all this, its...

SCOOP, we know all this, its not news. The USNI ‘Proceedings’ discusses Krepinevich’s points in great detail about every other issue. The question is do we define China’s assertion of its growing strength as a zero sum game, if they win we must lose? And is it worth starting a war over, particularly a war we can’t afford and would make the two billon dollars a week we burn up in Afghanistan look like chicken feed?

China seems impossibly powerful but its system like ours contains many structural weaknesses and stresses. Their banking system is likely an accident waiting to happen. Regionalism and the unequal distribution of their economic miracle is another. The contradiction of the political/economic ideology of the state and the reality of Chinese society and economics is probably the largest.

I personally believe that we must judge China by her capabilities and not guesses of her intentions. We should maintain a military qualitative edge over China in order to maintain our negotiating credibility not because we desire to plunge into war. Thus we need a more forceful Navy and Air force equipped with the right tools and doctrine such as redundant long-range strike capability and a much more robust space based communications and reconnisnace systems and ability to defend those systems. We can’t do that and also wage wars in Afghanistan with an Army that has little comparative advantage and thus is much too large and consuming too many scarce defense dollars.

Since we are unlikely to change our ways it seems sensible that we learn to accept China’s growing strength and status in good graces and see how we can benefit from her economic growth. China is not merely a threat it is also an opportunity for the whole Pacific basin if only we can insert some mature thinking into policy formulation
 
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are they talking about C-903??

No no, this is still the DF-21D kerfuffle, the Naval War College Review report is just trying to make some sense of it. The Interest points about this article isn't the DF-21D.

The interesting points in the articles are.

1) Mr. Ricks insinuations about the future of the Aircraft Carrier.
2) His predictions about more capable UCAVs as the 'wave of the future'
3) The Chinese threat is great for people looking for nice fat infowar contracts from the Pentagon.
4) JPWREL's comment on Obama's China policy and his contempt for AEI Thinktank.
5) JPWREL's very interesting point "The question is do we define China’s assertion of its growing strength as a zero sum game?"

Hmmm maybe I should highlight some of the points I want to emphasize.
 
It would be interesting to see if US will bring the missile shield to Asia particularly to Japan and Korea.
 
No no, this is still the DF-21D
5) JPWREL's very interesting point "The question is do we define China’s assertion of its growing strength as a zero sum game?"
emphasize.

If China's influence in a region increases, that would mean a decrease in american influence. So, it is a zero sum game esp. balance of power in most cases is. The question is how much of Chinese influence US can tolerate.
 
If China's influence in a region increases, that would mean a decrease in american influence. So, it is a zero sum game esp. balance of power in most cases is. The question is how much of Chinese influence US can tolerate.

Now if a retired career navy officer like JPWREL questions the idea of China rise being a zero sum game, why should I think your opinion is more valid?



It would be interesting to see if US will bring the missile shield to Asia particularly to Japan and Korea.

Typical fanboy wet dream :tdown:
 
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Now if a retired career navy officer like JPWREL questions the idea of China rise being a zero sum game, why should I think your opinion is more valid?





Typical fanboy wet dream :tdown:

There is nothing fanboy in it, Japanese are certainly worried about N.Korea and the "lax" with which China is dealing with it. US is certainly not interested in a conflict but they certainly care about Japanese interests and so is the case with South Korea.
 
are they talking about C-903??

The picture that they showed was most definitely the result of a surface skimming cruise missile. Epic fail! Should've stuck with artist conceptions but they chose to make things real lol.:rofl:
 
The picture that they showed was most definitely the result of a surface skimming cruise missile. Epic fail! Should've stuck with artist conceptions but they chose to make things real lol.:rofl:

=P not the point. Btw what do you think about the comments and points that Ricks and JPWREL raised.
 
It would be interesting to see if US will bring the missile shield to Asia particularly to Japan and Korea.

didnt they back track on placing the ABM shield in Poland due to Russian protestations? China has even more leverage than Moscow does so i dont think the US would engage in such a provocation. The Chinese would be PISSED and I mean PISSED
 
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