This Onam, VHP and other Hindu groups oppose Mahabali statue near Vamana temple

[Vishwabalas]

Divest?
Doesn't the fact that Christians celebrate Onam in Kerala prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they want to integrate with the Hindu community? I mean, it's literally a Hindu tradition being celebrated inside a church.
Besides, I wouldn't call it a Hindu ceremony. It's a Kerala only thing. Every Onam I've ever celebrated involved at-least one Hindu family and they all treated it as a harvest festival with roots in Hindu mythology.

From the way you keep bringing up dharma into all your arguments and your general disdain for other religions, I can tell that you're just a sanghi, a wannabe redneck, lurking online to satisfy your own misguided sense of superiority. Remember, Kerala is a diverse and tolerant place. We treat everybody equally.

inb4 commie

LOL..... this sanctimonious pontification coming from a christian claiming that Onam is not a Hindu festival ? Spare me the high moral ground.

Only a christian would claim bonus points for celebrating Onam with hindus, while millions of Hindus celebrate Christmas with christians and make not bones about it.

Vishu is the harvest festival, not Onam. How many christians celebrate Vishu ?

Claiming onam to be a harvest festival is the very way Hinduphobia is cleverly executed in plain sight. Associating Onam with MahaBali and not Vishnu is how onam is made "secular" enough.

Christians in kerala are no son's of the british. You were sons of Kerala and have celebrated Onam for more than 2000 years, its only after becoming christians in the last century, you feel that celebrating it is suddenly a sign that you want to "integrate" with hindu malayalis

More to the point, since Onam has been divest of any Hindu religious context, what is so special about celebrating it in your church ?

Its the same as celebrating "Christmas" which is actually yet another Pagan festival ("Saturnalia") you have divested from its original religion and are now celebrating as a christian festival. And in doing so, you have successfully killed that pagan festival.

Same as stealing "christmas tree" from the german pagans and associating it with christ.

Talk to me when you acknowledge Onam is a Hindu festival that is associated with Vishnu defeating Bali.


As for your attempt as white washing kerala, Kerala has made a virtue of slaughtering innocent cow and a virtue out of Alcoholism , so that is the level of your tolerance. A place where women feel unsafe to walk on the road after 6 PM.

A place where majority of children are subject to sexual abuse,

That is the only "Tolerance" you demonstrate. No Tolerance to Hindu faith and values like protecting the cow and preventing slaughter of innocent animals. ........

You have just got too much Abrahamic lately.

That's why you resonate with Muslims.

He was always more christian than christ himself, only he was unaware of this social programing like many hindus in pdf.

His zorashtrian faith is reserved for the day he is born and when he dies. For all the time in between, he is a christian for all practical mattes.

 

[Corona]

LOL..... this sanctimonious pontification coming from a christian claiming that Onam is not a Hindu festival ? Spare me the high moral ground.

Only a christian would claim bonus points for celebrating Onam with hindus, while millions of Hindus celebrate Christmas with christians and make not bones about it.

Vishu is the harvest festival, not Onam. How many christians celebrate Vishu ?

Claiming onam to be a harvest festival is the very way Hinduphobia is cleverly executed in plain sight. Associating Onam with MahaBali and not Vishnu is how onam is made "secular" enough.

Christians in kerala are no son's of the british. You were sons of Kerala and have celebrated Onam for more than 2000 years, its only after becoming christians in the last century, you feel that celebrating it is suddenly a sign that you want to "integrate" with hindu malayalis

More to the point, since Onam has been divest of any Hindu religious context, what is so special about celebrating it in your church ?

Its the same as celebrating "Christmas" which is actually yet another Pagan festival ("Saturnalia") you have divested from its original religion and are now celebrating as a christian festival. And in doing so, you have successfully killed that pagan festival.

Same as stealing "christmas tree" from the german pagans and associating it with christ.

Talk to me when you acknowledge Onam is a Hindu festival that is associated with Vishnu defeating Bali.


As for your attempt as white washing kerala, Kerala has made a virtue of slaughtering innocent cow and a virtue out of Alcoholism , so that is the level of your tolerance. A place where women feel unsafe to walk on the road after 6 PM.

A place where majority of children are subject to sexual abuse,

That is the only "Tolerance" you demonstrate. No Tolerance to Hindu faith and values like protecting the cow and preventing slaughter of innocent animals. ........

Bringing cow slaughter into the mix? Man you really are a sanghi. I'm even doubting if you are from Kerala at this point.
But I see I'm gonna have to break it down into parts

1) When I said Onam wasn't a Hindu festival, I didn't mean it didn't have Hindu origins, simply that no Hindu outside Kerala celebrates Onam. So to say that Onam is something exclusively Hindu is wrong seeing as you won't find Hindus in Jharkhand celebrating Onam. So it's a Kerala specific thing more than a religious thing.

2) About associating Onam with Mahabali, every single person in Kerala, without a doubt associates Onam with Mahabali. There may be a few who revere Vishnu but for the most part, it's all about Mahabali.
If you have any doubt, try googling 'Onam' and see whose pictures you see overwhelmingly in the results, Mahabali or Vishnu.

3) You're right about Abrahamic religions borrowing from previous religions. That's how religion works.
I'm glad that other religions are absorbing local legends and Hindu traditions. That means people are open to different cultures and are willing to accept them. Who knows, may be Onam will be a proper Christian festival too

Your comments at the end of your little diatribe against Kerala has me convinced you're not from anywhere in Kerala, or even if you are, you're just a brainwashed sanghi. 'slaughtering of innocent cows' ...please spare me the water works. And alcohol? Dude it's just alcohol. Don't drink it if you don't want it but don't come around preaching.

Everything you said perfectly fits into that sanghi image you're so desperate to parade. Well at least you didn't call me commie, so I will give you that

 

[pothead]

There is something seriously wrong with Commies getting away with their perversion of truth about Ravana & Mahabali.

Both these guys are Brahmans and kings.
Bali is a Kashmiri King, son of Kashyap Muni.
Ravana Barhma is great grand son of Lord Brahma himself.

That the commies would get away perverting this and teaching wrong things to Tamils & Kerala people is frankly due to incompetence of Hindus themselves.

Temples must be freed ASAP. Only and Only then Hindutva will have a chance of reviving itself.

 

[Corona]

There is something seriously wrong with Commies getting away with their perversion of truth about Ravana & Mahabali.

Both these guys are Brahmans and kings.
Bali is a Kashmiri King, son of Kashyap Muni.
Ravana Barhma is great grand son of Lord Brahma himself.

That the commies would get away perverting this and teaching wrong things to Tamils & Kerala people is frankly due to incompetence of Hindus themselves.

Temples must be freed ASAP. Only and Only then Hindutva will have a chance of reviving itself.

The commies were elected by said Kerala people. They chose them. Why don't we leave well enough alone?

 

[padamchen]

You have just got too much Abrahamic lately.

That's why you resonate with Muslims.

How do you mean?

I'm neither Abrahamic nor Vedic. Nor Indic.

I see Indians as Indians.

These divisions might hold meaning for you. They do not mean much to me frankly.

Even so, as a free Indian, is it a crime to "resonate with Muslims" ...?

Cheers, Doc

Divest?
Doesn't the fact that Christians celebrate Onam in Kerala prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they want to integrate with the Hindu community? I mean, it's literally a Hindu tradition being celebrated inside a church.
Besides, I wouldn't call it a Hindu ceremony. It's a Kerala only thing. Every Onam I've ever celebrated involved at-least one Hindu family and they all treated it as a harvest festival with roots in Hindu mythology.

From the way you keep bringing up dharma into all your arguments and your general disdain for other religions, I can tell that you're just a sanghi, a wannabe redneck, lurking online to satisfy your own misguided sense of superiority. Remember, Kerala is a diverse and tolerant place. We treat everybody equally.

inb4 commie

Please don't insult rednecks.

He's a black neck.

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

The commies were elected by said Kerala people. They chose them. Why don't we leave well enough alone?

They elected the commies to govern and not pervert Hinduism.
Imagine if the same efforts are made to show Lucifer as a hero and Jesus as Villain? Would that fly well with Christians?
This is the state where you can not even utter one word against a particular religion and they twist Hinduism for their nefarious needs and you expect us to sit quietly and go along with it?!!

 

[Vishwabalas]

Bringing cow slaughter into the mix? Man you really are a sanghi. I'm even doubting if you are from Kerala at this point.
But I see I'm gonna have to break it down into parts

LOL. I do not need your certificate to be a Keralite, a malayali or a "Sanghi". But the fact that your find it hard to digest that I am a mallu and a keralite only show your Intolerance for the truth.

1) When I said Onam wasn't a Hindu festival, I didn't mean it didn't have Hindu origins, simply that no Hindu outside Kerala celebrates Onam. So to say that Onam is something exclusively Hindu is wrong seeing as you won't find Hindus in Jharkhand celebrating Onam. So it's a Kerala specific thing more than a religious thing.

This is what comes from arrogant ignorance of a christian who thinks he can explain Hindu festivals to a Hindu.

Bhadrapada month of the hindu calander is the month of Vishnu. The entire month is auspicious and Krishna Janmastami , Ganesh Chaturti, Parsva Ekadashi, Vamana Jayanti, and Anant Chaturdashi falls on this month.

Each of them is celebrated by Hindus in their own way. Not all of them is a social celebration.

Practices on Vamana Jayanti (Onam) range from donating rice and curd, to chanting the Naryana mantra 108 times, to doing special pooja to vishnu, and donating food to Brahmins.

SO its most certainly not a kerala thing. Only the social celebration is a kerala thing.

2) About associating Onam with Mahabali, every single person in Kerala, without a doubt associates Onam with Mahabali. There may be a few who revere Vishnu but for the most part, it's all about Mahabali.
If you have any doubt, try googling 'Onam' and see whose pictures you see overwhelmingly in the results, Mahabali or Vishnu.

In the past, the festival used to be celebrated with the Tripunithura Athachamayam. Athachamayam was a triumphant march of the Maharaja of Kochi from Tripunithura to the Vamana Temple at Thrikkakara.

It was an occasion to show off regal pomp as well as to herald Onam, the festival of peace and equity, remembering the days when everything was in abundance. And since this was a royal procession, Representatives from all communities accompanied Kochi kings during Athachamayam. They included a priest from Karingachira Church, Nettur Thangal (Head of Nettur Mosque) and Chembil Arayan to represent the fisher folk.

Vendors used to sell conical mounds made of clay representing Mahabali and Vishnu, called ' Trikkakara Appan'.

The Maharaja of Kochi along with the Kozhikode Zamorin used to conduct the festival and special poojas at Trikkakkara Vamanamorthy Temple on Atham day.

This was the day when the Maharaja gave "darshan" to the locals.

This custom died with the death of the monarchy in kerala.

Onam was then revived in the late 60's and Athachamayam was renamed Athaghosham. It was only in the 1980's that Tripunithura Municipal Council conducted this new Athachamayam with the participation of thousands of Artists from the state and made it into a public festival. That is how it became a 10 day festival in the Ernakulam district.


Today it is "secularized" which is just another name for Hinduphobia and Vishnu pooja has been scrubbed out of the Hindu psyche by the Communist, christian and muslim combine. I am not denying it, I am FIGHTING It.

You are free to mock hindus in kerala for celebrating Bali rather than Vishnu on Vamana Jayanti, but that is what you get for becoming a Dhimmi.

3) You're right about Abrahamic religions borrowing from previous religions. That's how religion works.
I'm glad that other religions are absorbing local legends and Hindu traditions. That means people are open to different cultures and are willing to accept them. Who knows, may be Onam will be a proper Christian festival too

That is how Parasitic religious work. By stealing from other cultures and religions.

Hinduism works on different principles, our festivals and celebrations have evolved , not stolen.

If people are "open" to different culture, Let them be "open" to the culture of not slaughtering cows too

Its clear that your claims of being "open" is only for stealing, and not for adopting or adapting.

Your comments at the end of your little diatribe against Kerala has me convinced you're not from anywhere in Kerala, or even if you are, you're just a brainwashed sanghi. 'slaughtering of innocent cows' ...please spare me the water works. And alcohol? Dude it's just alcohol. Don't drink it if you don't want it but don't come around preaching.

Everything you said perfectly fits into that sanghi image you're so desperate to parade. Well at least you didn't call me commie, so I will give you that

What is the need to call you a commie when you have admitted to being a commie. Only I am certain that your christian values (or lack of them) are strong than your faith in communism.

LOL at your attempt to brush off alcoholism and the related child abuse in Kerala. Your contempt for hindus will continue to blind you to the reality. But that is just who you are.

The commies were elected by said Kerala people. They chose them. Why don't we leave well enough alone?

That is like asking why not leave the Nazi's well enough since they have been elected by the germans

Please don't insult rednecks.

He's a black neck.

Cheers, Doc

Corona is a black neck too mad bawa

His is probably blacker than mine, being a christian convert.

 

[Loafer]

How do you mean?

I'm neither Abrahamic nor Vedic. Nor Indic.

I see Indians as Indians.

These divisions might hold meaning for you. They do not mean much to me frankly.

Even so, as a free Indian, is it a crime to "resonate with Muslims" ...?

Cheers, Doc

Indians as in those bunch of people holding an identity proof issued by the Government of India based on the legal principles of Westphalian form of Nation State?

Maybe that's it limited to you and also Muslims.

For majority of people caged in this Indian identity, it extends beyond that.

That's where we are on diffenrent pages.

 

[padamchen]

Indians as in those bunch of people holding an identity proof issued by the Government of India based on the legal principles of Westphalian form of Nation State?

Maybe that's it limited to you and also Muslims.

For majority of people caged in this Indian identity, it extends beyond that.

That's where we are on diffenrent pages.

We are on different pages if you feel "caged" in your Indian identity.

If so, you should try your best to leave. Our nation would mourn your loss and move on ....

My identity as an Indian on the other hand comes from being of this soil for 1357 years.

Eating from it. Living on it. Loving on it. Fighting on it. Enriching it with our blood whenever she has needed it. And dying on it.

There is no cage that holds us here, except that we see it as our motherland.

Pity that you guys who have been here longer feel so caged.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Loafer]

We are on different pages if you feel "caged" in your Indian identity.

If so, you should try your best to leave. Our nation would mourn your loss and move on ....

My identity as an Indian on the other hand comes from being of this soil for 1357 years.

Eating from it. Living on it. Loving on it. Fighting on it. Enriching it with our blood whenever she has needed it. And dying on it.

There is no cage that holds us here, except that we see it as our motherland.

Pity that you guys who have been here longer feel so caged.

Cheers, Doc

Try to understand what Indian I am saying and what you are saying.

There is a big distinction between both.

Majority thinks the Indian identity is itself a small part of our identity and maybe it's time to dump. It's not working.

Unfortunately your Muslim Indian brothers don't see India as motherland like you do. They desire Allahland.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Try to understand what Indian I am saying and what you are saying.

There is a big distinction between both.

Majority thinks the Indian identity is itself a small part of our identity and maybe it's time to dump. It's not working.

Unfortunately your Muslim Indian brothers don't see India as motherland like you do. They desire Allahland.

He has no intention of understanding your point of view, so you are wasting your time.

His agenda is to divide Hindu society so that each part feels just as insecure as him. That is his solution for a sustainable future.

 

[Loafer]

He has no intention of understanding your point of view, so you are wasting your time.

His agenda is to divide Hindu society so that each part feels just as insecure as him. That is his solution for a sustainable future.

It's like what he thinks does it matter in grand scheme of things?

We are just trying to take him along the boat.

Be with us or be against us. That's the situation we are left after secular chutyapa experiment of 70 years.

 

[padamchen]

It's like what he thinks does it matter in grand scheme of things?

We are just trying to take him along the boat.

Be with us or be against us. That's the situation we are left after secular chutyapa experiment of 70 years.

Thank you but I have absolutely no interest in climbing aboard your boat buddy.

We have our own boat, our own course, our own destiny.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Vishwabalas]

It's like what he thinks does it matter in grand scheme of things?

We are just trying to take him along the boat.

Be with us or be against us. That's the situation we are left after secular chutyapa experiment of 70 years.

In the grand scheme of things, he is worthless.

He neither has the brains to convince others, not the balls to make a difference.

All he can do is wail at the sideline while the world moves on and ignores him.

It is pointless to target people over 45 to vote for Modi, because if they have not already figured out he is the best bet, they will never figure it out.

Let him fade away into insignificance.

 

[Loafer]

Thank you but I have absolutely no interest in climbing aboard your boat buddy.

We have our own boat, our own course, our own destiny.

Cheers, Doc

There is only one single lane road. Otherwise enjoy your kutcha road, where you don't know if you will reach ever in the dirt.