This is what happens in India if u have War & Peace in your library

[Shahzaz ud din]

This is what happens in India if u have War & Peace in your library

Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace is in the news in India after a judge asked an activist to explain why he had a book "about war in another country".

Vernon Gonsalves had appeared in the high court in Mumbai city on Wednesday for a hearing on his bail plea.

The judge's question sparked a flurry of tweets, with users both outraged and bemused by it.

Five activists, including Mr Gonsalves, were arrested in August 2018 in connection with caste-based violence.

Police raided and searched their homes at the time and submitted a list of books, documents and other belongings to the court. The public prosecutor told the court that police had found "incriminating evidence" in Mr Gonsalves' home, including "books and CDs with objectionable titles".

"Why were you having these books and CDs at your home? You will have to explain this to the court," the judge told Mr Gonsalves.

• Top Indian activists held over caste violence
• Indian Dalit recalls protest that paralysed Mumbai

He also pointed out a CD titled Rajya Daman Virodhi or "in protest against state oppression" saying, "The title itself suggests it has something against the state."

Police said that all five activists incited Dalits (formerly untouchables) at a large public rally on 31 December 2017, leading to violent clashes that left one person dead. They accused them of "radicalising youth" and taking part in "unlawful activities" which led to violence and showed "intolerance to the present political system".

The arrests had been criticised by many at the time who saw them as an attack on free speech, and even a "witch hunt" against those who challenged the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

So the judge's question quickly made news and War and Peace was soon trending on Twitter.

The tweets ranged from jokes to shock over the state of India's judiciary.

Others wondered how they would fare in a courtroom given what's on their bookshelf, and some have issued a call out asking people to share books from their own "subversive" collection.

The judge, Sarang Kotwal, has since said that he knows War and Peace is a "classic" and that his comment did not refer to Tolstoy's book, according to legal journal, Bar and Bench.

"I was reading the list of all books and CDs seized, even then, didn't mean that all material was incriminating," it quoted him as saying.

 

[macnurv]

So this could be called as an equivalent to Nazi Book Burning? So now you can only have state sanctioned books, just like Democratic Republic of North Korea. You are on the right track India, keep it up.

 

[Krptonite]

So this could be called as an equivalent to Nazi Book Burning? So now you can only have state sanctioned books, just like Democratic Republic of North Korea. You are on the right track India, keep it up.

From an innocuous statement, with a clarification at the end from the judge himself, how splendidly you twisted it into Nazi book burning spree, how that leap of logic came about, only the Lord knows best.

I'd bet on biases though, that and stupidity.

 

[GodToons]

This is what happens in India if u have War & Peace in your library

Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace is in the news in India after a judge asked an activist to explain why he had a book "about war in another country".

Vernon Gonsalves had appeared in the high court in Mumbai city on Wednesday for a hearing on his bail plea.

The judge's question sparked a flurry of tweets, with users both outraged and bemused by it.

Five activists, including Mr Gonsalves, were arrested in August 2018 in connection with caste-based violence.

Police raided and searched their homes at the time and submitted a list of books, documents and other belongings to the court. The public prosecutor told the court that police had found "incriminating evidence" in Mr Gonsalves' home, including "books and CDs with objectionable titles".

"Why were you having these books and CDs at your home? You will have to explain this to the court," the judge told Mr Gonsalves.

• Top Indian activists held over caste violence
• Indian Dalit recalls protest that paralysed Mumbai

He also pointed out a CD titled Rajya Daman Virodhi or "in protest against state oppression" saying, "The title itself suggests it has something against the state."

Police said that all five activists incited Dalits (formerly untouchables) at a large public rally on 31 December 2017, leading to violent clashes that left one person dead. They accused them of "radicalising youth" and taking part in "unlawful activities" which led to violence and showed "intolerance to the present political system".

The arrests had been criticised by many at the time who saw them as an attack on free speech, and even a "witch hunt" against those who challenged the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

So the judge's question quickly made news and War and Peace was soon trending on Twitter.

The tweets ranged from jokes to shock over the state of India's judiciary.

Others wondered how they would fare in a courtroom given what's on their bookshelf, and some have issued a call out asking people to share books from their own "subversive" collection.

The judge, Sarang Kotwal, has since said that he knows War and Peace is a "classic" and that his comment did not refer to Tolstoy's book, according to legal journal, Bar and Bench.

"I was reading the list of all books and CDs seized, even then, didn't mean that all material was incriminating," it quoted him as saying.

This Post is classic case of Fake outrage created by sold out MSM of India. Learned judge has to give clarity and show his dissatisfaction with the media INCORRECT REPORTING.

I request @MOD to close this post since judge called out this news fake.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Thus most interesting bit - for me - in this whole article was the following:

Police said that all five activists incited Dalits (formerly untouchables) at a large public rally on 31 December 2017, leading to violent clashes that left one person dead. They accused them of "radicalising youth" and taking part in "unlawful activities" which led to violence and showed "intolerance to the present political system".

I don't know why this issue hasn't been given attention in our country. I always wondered why the lower castes not object to being 'the lower castes' and discriminated against. These groups are, after all, the majority in India.

So it seems there are people who don't buy the idea that they are born lower than animals - that they are untouchables. One of the tweets memtioned these as being Maoists - which makes sense because communism is about this sort of thing - the class struggle and in this case the caste struggle.

This issue needs to be highlighted - and will find plenty of takers worldwide.

Fascinating stuff - this.

 

[KAL-EL]

War and peace is one hell of a big book

 

[Imran Khan]

i have so many books on other country wars too . today i am watching movie the lone survivor . i can be jailed in India ?

 

[undercover JIX]

This Post is classic case of Fake outrage created by sold out MSM of India. Learned judge has to give clarity and show his dissatisfaction with the media INCORRECT REPORTING.

I request @MOD to close this post since judge called out this news fake.

Mr. Toons, who you quoted for assistance??? That MOD member is BANNED Since 2014. Looks like a Sanghi tried something.

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i have so many books on other country wars too . today i am watching movie the lone survivor . i can be jailed in India ?

No.
You would have been lynched before that.

From an innocuous statement, with a clarification at the end from the judge himself, how splendidly you twisted it into Nazi book burning spree, how that leap of logic came about, only the Lord knows best.

I'd bet on biases though, that and stupidity.

Question is, How this case reached to the Courts. How keeping Classic or historical books become a crime.

Police Station, FIR, and all the process and proceedings before this case reached to Judge failed. Paranoid Nation, scared, and much more.

 

[GodToons]

Mr. Toons, who you quoted for assistance??? That MOD member is BANNED Since 2014. Looks like a Sanghi tried something.

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I assumed @ Mod is some handle for "Moderator", Not sure. Since now it is clarified, if you can assist me and request Mods to close this thread before it goes into another D**k measuring exercise.

 

[undercover JIX]

I assumed @ Mod is some handle for "Moderator", Not sure. Since now it is clarified, if you can assist me and request Mods to close this thread before it goes into another D**k measuring exercise.

This Post is classic case of Fake outrage created by sold out MSM of India. Learned judge has to give clarity and show his dissatisfaction with the media INCORRECT REPORTING.

I request @MOD to close this post since judge called out this news fake.

you are member since 2015 and you still do not know who are the Moderators????
@waz @Arsalan @The Eagle Please see how you can assist this gentleman.

This made it to BBC, so I do not think Mods will close or delete this thread..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49495300

War and Peace lands India activist in trouble

• 29 August 2019

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Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace is in the news in India after a judge asked an activist to explain why he had a book "about war in another country".

Vernon Gonsalves had appeared in the high court in Mumbai city on Wednesday for a hearing on his bail plea.

The judge's question sparked a flurry of tweets, with users both outraged and bemused by it.

Five activists, including Mr Gonsalves, were arrested in August 2018 in connection with caste-based violence.

The judge, Sarang Kotwal, later clarified that he knows War and Peace is a "classic" and that his comment did not refer to Tolstoy's book, according to legal journal, Bar and Bench.

"I was reading the list of all books and CDs seized, even then, didn't mean that all material was incriminating," it quoted him as saying.

Police raided and searched the homes of the arrested activists last year and submitted a list of books, documents and other belongings to the court.

The public prosecutor told the court that police had found "incriminating evidence" in Mr Gonsalves' home, including "books and CDs with objectionable titles".

"Why were you having these books and CDs at your home? You will have to explain this to the court," the judge told Mr Gonsalves.

• Top Indian activists held over caste violence
• Indian Dalit recalls protest that paralysed Mumbai

He also pointed out a CD titled Rajya Daman Virodhi or "in protest against state oppression" saying, "The title itself suggests it has something against the state."

Police said that all five activists incited Dalits (formerly untouchables) at a large public rally on 31 December 2017, leading to violent clashes that left one person dead. They accused them of "radicalising youth" and taking part in "unlawful activities" which led to violence and showed "intolerance to the present political system".

The arrests had been criticised by many at the time who saw them as an attack on free speech, and even a "witch hunt" against those who challenged the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

So the judge's question quickly made news and War and Peace was soon trending on Twitter.

The tweets ranged from jokes to shock over the state of India's judiciary.

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[Crystal-Clear]

i have so many books on other country wars too . today i am watching movie the lone survivor . i can be jailed in India ?

try to read books written by (as per indians) retarded retd indian generals with beef burger in india .

 

[Imran Khan]

try to read books written by (as per indians) retarded retd indian generals with beef burger in india .

sorry i did not read fantasy and ali baba stories i am grown up from that age .

 

[PaulSimon]

i have so many books on other country wars too . today i am watching movie the lone survivor . i can be jailed in India ?

Many Thanks you Jinnah.

Jinnah was an Intellectual par excellence. No other South Asian leader comes close.

 

[GodToons]

you are member since 2015 and you still do not know who are the Moderators????
@waz @Arsalan @The Eagle Please see how you can assist this gentleman.

This made it to BBC, so I do not think Mods will close or delete this thread..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49495300

War and Peace lands India activist in trouble

• 29 August 2019

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Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace is in the news in India after a judge asked an activist to explain why he had a book "about war in another country".

Vernon Gonsalves had appeared in the high court in Mumbai city on Wednesday for a hearing on his bail plea.

The judge's question sparked a flurry of tweets, with users both outraged and bemused by it.

Five activists, including Mr Gonsalves, were arrested in August 2018 in connection with caste-based violence.

The judge, Sarang Kotwal, later clarified that he knows War and Peace is a "classic" and that his comment did not refer to Tolstoy's book, according to legal journal, Bar and Bench.

"I was reading the list of all books and CDs seized, even then, didn't mean that all material was incriminating," it quoted him as saying.

Police raided and searched the homes of the arrested activists last year and submitted a list of books, documents and other belongings to the court.

The public prosecutor told the court that police had found "incriminating evidence" in Mr Gonsalves' home, including "books and CDs with objectionable titles".

"Why were you having these books and CDs at your home? You will have to explain this to the court," the judge told Mr Gonsalves.

• Top Indian activists held over caste violence
• Indian Dalit recalls protest that paralysed Mumbai

He also pointed out a CD titled Rajya Daman Virodhi or "in protest against state oppression" saying, "The title itself suggests it has something against the state."

Police said that all five activists incited Dalits (formerly untouchables) at a large public rally on 31 December 2017, leading to violent clashes that left one person dead. They accused them of "radicalising youth" and taking part in "unlawful activities" which led to violence and showed "intolerance to the present political system".

The arrests had been criticised by many at the time who saw them as an attack on free speech, and even a "witch hunt" against those who challenged the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

So the judge's question quickly made news and War and Peace was soon trending on Twitter.

The tweets ranged from jokes to shock over the state of India's judiciary.

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Others wondered how they would fare in a courtroom given what's on their bookshelf, and some have issued a call out asking people to share books from their own "subversive" collection.

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Thank you! I will refer the handles in future.

FYI..
See Clarification from Judge itself and how media made mischief. This is classical case in India to create outrage to get click-bates and then put clarification on page8 in 2 lines.
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On Wednesday, the court had asked Gonsalves: “War and Peace is about war in another country. Why were you keeping these books at your house?” The judge had also referred to a CD titled Rajya Daman Virodhi and said the title “clearly suggested” it is material against the state. “Why were you keeping this in your house?” he had asked Gonsalves.

On Thursday, Yug Chaudhary, the counsel for co-accused Sudha Bharadwaj, said the War and Peace that the court had referred to on Wednesday was a collection of essays edited by Calcutta-based journalist Biswajit Roy, titled War and Peace in Junglemahal: People, State and Maoists.

That book, according to its publishers, is a “collection of essays by well-known activists and academics, including mediators, and examines the failed peace initiatives in context of the governments’ elitist developmental policies, doublespeak of parliamentary parties and Maoists’ follies”.

The judge then said: “There were so many references to war and other titles. Before I went to War and Peace, I made a reference to Rajya Daman too. Can a judge not ask any questions in court?”

Gonsalves told the court that he owned 2,000 books and none of those, including the ones seized from his home by Pune police, was banned.
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https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/knew-of-war-peace-judge/cid/1701278