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This Fourth of July Marks the Week China Became the Most Powerful Economy in the World
by Charles Mudede • Jul 3, 2019 at 10:45 am
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All that's left is that national feeling... LAILARBERG/GETTYIMAGES.COM

Two years ago, the US had three ways of dealing with the spectacular rise of Chinese capitalism. One was to reduce the economy's influence in its own region (this was Obama's plan, which had its origins in the Bush administration and took the form of a trans-pacific trading arrangement anchored by the US consumer market). The second was to reject globalization as constructed by the neoliberal program and revert to a New Deal-like project that heavily invested in US research/education, enhanced controls on finance, increased government revenue, strengthened social safety, and massively upgraded infrastructure (this was Bernie Sanders's position).

The third also rejected neoliberal globalization, but replaced it with protectionist and neo-mercantilist policies that directly confronted Chinese capitalism and asserted a US economic power that had more to do with national pride than anything found in reality. This was Donald Trump's agenda. It lasted for two years. It finally died at the fourteenth meeting of the G-20 in Osaka. The US will enter its 243rd year of existence as the second most-powerful capitalist economy in the world.


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In a meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed to resume trade talks that had broken down in May.

Trump will lift some restrictions on Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.’s ability to do business with U.S. companies and will postpone tariffs he threatened to impose on an additional $300 billion annually in Chinese imports. In exchange, Xi agreed China will buy more U.S. agricultural products. Details will be spelled out later.

This deal — the second time President Trump gave in to China’s demands and ended restrictions on a major Chinese technology company that had been accused of threatening U.S. national interests — effectively marks the end of Trump’s trade war with China.


Why did China win? Because the US did not exit the first decade of this century in great shape. It lost a very expensive war in Iraq, and suffered a world-historical market crash. This US was a match for China, which, in 2008, resorted to Keynesian policies (increased government spending) directed at construction and jobs. As the historian and Crashed author Adam Tooze put it in the London Review of Books, "...when the going gets rough, the Chinese turn Keynesian. Beijing’s response to the 2008 crisis was the most dramatic work-creation stimulus in history." It surpassed the New Deal. The US, on the other hand, did not spend much of its money on work-creation, but on transforming its dead banks into zombie banks.

The Chinese knew its rival's situation; it has a fragile stock market that will not survive a second catastrophe, a war machine still recovering from a war that produced nothing but huge debts, and a blatantly corrupt and not popular president who has plunged the country's political systems and institutions into chaos. The Chinese president, writes Howard Gold, "clearly calculated his American counterpart is unwilling to do anything that would threaten his support among key constituencies, like farmers, as the 2020 election looms."

Trump will hold a military parade on July 4 because all that is left is national feeling. A few jets in the sky, some tanks on the ground, boots here and there, flags everywhere. No jobs are returning; the farmers harmed by the two-year trade war have become welfare cowboys; and the tools to keep stock market values sky-high and flying are diminishing by the day.

The market has already noticed a decline in share buybacks, which, with the assistance of the otherworldly corporate tax cut of 2017, created the mother of all bubbles. Because the growth initiated by the Obama administration has departed from anything that resembles conventional economic growth, Trump, in a panic, wants to resume quantitative easing (pumping government money—liquidity—into financial markets) during a period of expansion.

Some might say, smugly, that the US economy, as measured by GDP, is still 4 or so trillion dollars larger than China's. However, the problem with this very common accessment of the current global economic picture is made clear in Mariana Mazzucato's new book, The Value of Everything. Mazzucato, a British-Italian economist, points out that until 1980s, the financial sector was not (rightly) considered productive and, as a result, its activities were not included in the GDP. But to justify its ever-expanding role in the economy (which mostly amounts to the movement of paper from these hands to those—only 10 percent of all transactions in this sector terminate as actual business investments), it had to, by political means, extend the "production boundary." In this way, its activities—which have little to do with the noble function of relocating capital from places where it is in surplus to places where it is scarce—became accountable as a part of the GDP.

The US includes the financial sector in its GDP not because it really does anything of great importance or usefulness for the majority of Americans, but because it, by political means, made value extraction count as the same as value creation. But there is no "economy" in the political economy of this kind of accounting. It's all politics.

With that in mind, add this thought: A large number of financial institutions that are recorded as productive are merely zombies (banks, investment banks, so on). Without the politics (bailouts, quantitative easing, tax cuts), they would be dead today. At this point, we must wonder if the US is, in real terms, still the largest economy in the world. Recall the response to the 2008 crash. China directed its spending at work-creation, while the US directed it at these institutions that merely move paper around and around and around.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...became-the-most-powerful-economy-in-the-world
 
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What many have failed to understand is that communism is perfect and most ruthless match for capitalism. One system keeps everyone in line and the other wipes out the stragglers. China has through no deliberation of its own stumbled upon it and the glove was a perfect fit... so to speak. Consequences will keep unfurling with the passage of time... humanity has subjugated itself to the most heartless system ever devised for greed and power.
 
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What many have failed to understand is that communism is perfect and most ruthless match for capitalism. One system keeps everyone in line and the other wipes out the stragglers. China has through no deliberation of its own stumbled upon it and the glove was a perfect fit... so to speak. Consequences will keep unfurling with the passage of time... humanity has subjugated itself to the most heartless system ever devised for greed and power.
It's very old school to still define nations by Communism and Capitalism, China has only Chinaism, China can be more capitalist than capitalist countries in many ways, China doesn't care whatever ism, she only cares about adopting or find ways that can suit her the best, be them from the present or the past, home and abroad.
 
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It's very old school to still define nations by Communism and Capitalism, China has only Chinaism, China can be more capitalist than capitalist countries in many ways, China doesn't care whatever ism, she only cares about adopting or find ways that can suit her the best, be them from the present or the past, home and abroad.
Old school it maybe but capitalist west weighs people on their credit worthiness and communist China on people's social worthiness... how else would you describe it? They are true to their form and ever evolving... either way you missed the whole point so forget about it...
 
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Old school it maybe but capitalist west weighs people on their credit worthiness and communist China on people's social worthiness... how else would you describe it? They are true to their form and ever evolving... either way you missed the whole point so forget about it...
China's social credit are largely based on credit worthiness, basically the same thing.
 
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Since China is world biggest population, it easy to be number 1 on everything, including surpassing USA.

But there still long way to go when it come to quality.
 
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Since China is world biggest population, it easy to be number 1 on everything, including surpassing USA.

But there still long way to go when it come to quality.
Big population can also mean big problem if not managed well, it's a double edged sword, it's not that easy, it took China a century to shift this big population from a destructive force to a constructive force.
 
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Since China is world biggest population, it easy to be number 1 on everything, including surpassing USA.

But there still long way to go when it come to quality.
I don't think so. China manufacturing can be very quality. It just a matter of profit and branding. Large number of foreign branded corporate has their product produced in China(apple,Boeing, Airbus). China manufacturing are mainly based on profit. If you manufacture high quality product but without the branding. Nobody is willing to paid a premium for China brand. That makes you doing a money losing business since cost for high quality product is expensive.

Most of the high quality product local brand are industrial or government support (CRHH, AVIC, CSA). Even Huawei sells their product thru low cost first before working their price up to mid tier. DJI has dominate the drone market as they face very little competition.

Let me give you an example. LV sells a leather bag for USD4000 while a new start up China fashion brand makes a same quality or even better leather bag and wants to sell at USD 2500, USD 1500 cheaper than LV bag. Do you think how many taker will there? The leather bag is not able to sell, is it becos it is inferior?
 
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Big population can also mean big problem if not managed well, it's a double edged sword, it's not that easy, it took China a century to shift this big population from a destructive force to a constructive force.
Money is not everything. So population. Singapore is small but she has a good reputation (ok let’s forget the idiot comment from the current PM). China in contrast has a reputation of a regional hooligan.
 
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Money is not everything. So population. Singapore is small but she has a good reputation (ok let’s forget the idiot comment from the current PM). China in contrast has a reputation of a regional hooligan.

Singapore has good reputation but limited influence. Can you based on reputation to protect yourself? No, you need power strength. Singapore is able to remain intact in ASEAN due to its tie with US and strong military, not becos it has good reputation. US didn't have very good reputation. The country of flip flop policy and imperialism and yet no country beside China can stand up against its financial and military. China reputation is so bad. I bet it can't sell most of its product and yet how much it exported? Why China can be second largest economy?

As for Vietnam, you are not in good book of most asean countries. Philippine, Indonesia, Malaysia see Vietnam more as a threat than partner.
 
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Singapore has good reputation but limited influence. Can you based on reputation to protect yourself? No, you need power strength. Singapore is able to remain intact in ASEAN due to its tie with US and strong military, not becos it has good reputation. US didn't have very good reputation. The country of flip flop policy and imperialism and yet no country beside China can stand up against its financial and military. China reputation is so bad. I bet it can't sell most of its product and yet how much it exported? Why China can be second largest economy?

As for Vietnam, you are not in good book of most asean countries. Philippine, Indonesia, Malaysia see Vietnam more as a threat than partner.
Yes we are in a similar geography like Israel: a small country surrounded by enemies. I believe sooner or later we will copy the Jews by going nuclear. We have no interest when our enemies round us and push us into gas chambers.
 
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When China Surpasses USA in quality not quantity that would be something to write home. Population of 1.3 billion is bound to take you near USA who have a population of 300 million but still have a higher GDP . Average American is still 5 times more productive and richer though.
 
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