TheNation: Fearing debt trap, Pakistan rethinks Chinese 'Silk Road' projects

[war&peace]

You do know the African are using "Chinese Financed/Funded Infrastructure" to rage war on each other? Otherwise what kind of use do you supposed those road the Chinese build are used for in places like South Sudan or Somalia or Nigeria? So the local can travel? Majority of these local don't even have car...

Not to mention the money the Chinese is paying is pocketed by Warlord to wage war....

That's really low and especially considering the fact it is from a professional.

 

[jhungary]

I have a friend in Beijing from South Sudan, he says that Chinese investment benefits the local people they hava a good feeling towards China, now many of them to choose to study in China. That guy was actually born in UK but he says his loyalty is with South Sudan cause racial discrimiation is so rampant in UK and he had to transfer schools several times when he was a child.

I HAVE BEEN to South Sudan, I met the local doing work for a British Company, most people don't think nothing about China, the thing is, when you ask about the slave and diamond trade, they all point to how the Chinese road help the smuggler transport people and cargo to and from these site more easily.

Almost all Mali resident I have met in Mali claim the Chinese road is the reason why The Nigerian Army can quickly travel to Southern Mali, which you don't see Chinese building road to other part of Nigeria.

Just because you met one man from South Sudan in China, that does not mean nothing, or do you actually believe someone who have ill will toward China will actually be living in China?

Go to Africa and see it for yourself.

50:50? You are incredible, US is the world biggest thread to peace based on global polls, how about make a poll here and see what other people believe?

How much China government pay money to Africa nation? To the Middle East? Do you even know that?

And do you know what happened to those money?

I can name a few war that are currently either indirectly or directly supported by China

Yemen Civil War (Chinese supplies weapon to UAE)
Syria Civil War (Chinese have both Technician and Weapon to Assad Regime)
Myanmar Civil War (Chinese supporting the Burmese Regime in both Weapon and Money)
Moro Conflict (Duarte so proudly display Chinese weapon used in Moro Region)
Nigerian Insurgency (Chinese Build Airfield was used to bomb insurgency, road facilitate killing for both side)
Northern Mali Conflict (Chinese Drone sold to Nigeria was used in the conflict)

How many other war was not mentioned is currently ongoing in the world? Other than ISIS in Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukrainian Civil War (which funded partially by Chinese money from buying Ukrainian equipment) What other war have the west involve but without Chinese involvement to selling weapon and or financial/infrastructural aide?

As I said, I am okay for you to say the west is warmongering, THE WEST IS WARMONGERING, this is a fact nobody denied in the west, and this is a sad fact, but don't pretend Chinese involvement in all these region is all peace either and turn around and tell me its all mighty. When your own hands are dirty as well to begin with.

 

[haidian]

A plan is made to be ajusted and fine tuned, if CPEC being ajusted with the time of recent development, I don't see anything with it.

 

[Clutch]

But it is on the Arab News. It cannot be wrong. Arab News is very credible.

Proof for fake news, bro?

It isn't actually completely fake news...it's more like false news....however it is based on misinformation by a Pakistani minister and it was picked up by most international media when the official Pak government PTI came out afterwards to refute this news. However, the international media did not retract this false news.

Here is a pretty good video of this incidence explaining what is actually happening:

 

[jhungary]

That's really low and especially considering from a professional.

How low is that when it is the truth?

Do you think the whole country of Nigeria will benefit from some road when the whole country do not even have more than 100,000 registered vehicle? And you know who own most of these vehicle?

Building road in "DEVELOPED" or "DEVELOPING" nation help with economy, Most country in Africa is not even call Developing to begin with, building road is like building ice cream shop in a desert. It doesn't do shit when people in these country is dirt poor and most of them can't even afford a bicycle and have to walk 40 or 50 miles a day just to go about.

Road in these country were used extensively by warlord to wage war on each other, either with wrestling control to diamond mine, or slave trade. There is a very extensive report issued by UNHCR detailing how fraction in these country used infrastructure build by foreign company (Although they have refused to name the country as China but who else do you know is building infrastructure in Africa) to their own advantage.

So, now tell me, why the Chinese build road in these African nation when the used of automobile is not really generalised?

 

[war&peace]

Impressed.

Pakistan getting out in time.

Cheers, Doc

RSS chaddi are getting their chaddies twisted. Nothing is going to happen. CPEC is developing at a faster pace than ever. Chaddies should go and self immolate themselves.

cheer,

 

[haidian]

I HAVE BEEN to South Sudan, I met the local doing work for a British Company, most people don't think nothing about China, the thing is, when you ask about the slave and diamond trade, they all point to how the Chinese road help the smuggler transport people and cargo to and from these site more easily.

Almost all Mali resident I have met in Mali claim the Chinese road is the reason why The Nigerian Army can quickly travel to Southern Mali, which you don't see Chinese building road to other part of Nigeria.

Just because you met one man from South Sudan in China, that does not mean nothing, or do you actually believe someone who have ill will toward China will actually be living in China?

Go to Africa and see it for yourself.



How much China government pay money to Africa nation? To the Middle East? Do you even know that?

And do you know what happened to those money?

I can name a few war that are currently either indirectly or directly supported by China

Yemen Civil War (Chinese supplies weapon to UAE)
Syria Civil War (Chinese have both Technician and Weapon to Assad Regime)
Myanmar Civil War (Chinese supporting the Burmese Regime in both Weapon and Money)
Moro Conflict (Duarte so proudly display Chinese weapon used in Moro Region)
Nigerian Insurgency (Chinese Build Airfield was used to bomb insurgency, road facilitate killing for both side)
Northern Mali Conflict (Chinese Drone sold to Nigeria was used in the conflict)

How many other war was not mentioned is currently ongoing in the world? Other than ISIS in Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukrainian Civil War (which funded partially by Chinese money from buying Ukrainian equipment) What other war have the west involve but without Chinese involvement to selling weapon and or financial/infrastructural aide?

As I said, I am okay for you to say the west is warmongering, THE WEST IS WARMONGERING, this is a fact nobody denied in the west, and this is a sad fact, but don't pretend Chinese involvement in all these region is all peace either and turn around and tell me its all mighty. When your own hands are dirty as well to begin with.

Many countries export arms and if that's the proof of being involved in a war then dozens of countries are in every war, saying China is involved in Syria, Yemen , Iraq , Afghanistan wars will make your sound very dumb indeed. US poll organizations found the US being regarded as the world biggest thread for peace for a reason, you can deny it and say that China is an equally war mongering nation as US, but you have a world to convince for what you claim, start a poll here and find it out, it's easy.

 

[padamchen]

RSS chaddi are getting their chaddies twisted. Nothing is going to happen. CPEC is developing at a faster pace than ever. Chaddies should go and self immolate themselves.

cheer,

I'm an RSS chaddi?

You need your head examined....

It was a sincere comment. Read into it what you would.

Cheers, Doc

 

[jhungary]

Many countries export arms and if that's the proof of being involved in a war then dozens of countries are in every war, saying China is involved in Syria, Yemen , Iraq , Afghanistan wars will make your sound very dumb indeed. US poll organizations found the US being regarded as the world biggest thread for peace for a reason, you can deny it and say that China is an equally war mongering nation as US, but you have a world to convince for what you claim, start a poll here and find it out, it's easy.

It was you who said "The West Selling Arms and Funding War" So when the west do that, it is an "Involvement" and when China do it, it is not? LOL Now who's dumb?

And as I said, I NEVER DENIED THE WEST, PARTICULARLY THE US, IS WARMONGERING, THEY ARE WARMONGERING, how many time do I have to tell you that? I Don't have a problem you calling the west warmongering and waging war all over the world, I have a problem you have the guts to tell me Chinese involvement in all these are not the same and "All Peaceful" when you yourself are doing the same thing the West is doing.

 

[khansaheeb]

US tricked Pakistan into leading a path of war and conflicts, using Pakistan as their cannon fodder to fight their proxy wars which in the end wrecked Pakistan's economy and plunged Pakistan into chaos which is hard to fix. US only fuels the war flames and conflicts in Pakistan, they never care about the Pakistani people and the country's future development.

We Chinese care about Pakistan's economy and development, care about improving people's living on the grassroots, we build roads, power plants, ports.. all of them are for Pakistan's future economic development, we are building projects that can be seen and benefit the local people even a hundred years after they finish. US only gives Pakistan war related assistance which are design for the Pakistanis to kill or being killed. US never cares about improving average peoples' lives in Pakistan.


China builds roads, airports, ports railways all around the world, it's funny that the west claims that those facilites are designed to be used in wars and US exports tons of weapons with the purpose of bringing the peace.


How many wars now happening around the world have China involved? How many have the west involved?

There was no trick. Those in power were offered huge amounts of dollars to poodle to US strategic goals and they willingly took the money. Most of them are in their sponsor countries living the good life now. These so called leaders sacrificed the people for their own materialistic desires causing misery and poverty to millions of Pakistanis.

 

[haidian]

It was you who said "The West Selling Arms and Funding War" So when the west do that, it is an "Involvement" and when China do it, it is not? LOL Now who's dumb?

And as I said, I NEVER DENIED THE WEST, PARTICULARLY THE US, IS WARMONGERING, THEY ARE WARMONGERING, how many time do I have to tell you that? I Don't have a problem you calling the west warmongering and waging war all over the world, I have a problem you have the guts to tell me Chinese involvement in all these are not the same and "All Peaceful" when you yourself are doing the same thing the West is doing.

I never said China never sells weapons and all Chinese involvemnt is peaceful, cause it goes without saying it's not true, every country has their own interest, that's common sense.
But comparatively speaking, Chinese investments around the world focus on infrastructures which in the long run are designed to help the economic enviornment. China first goes to other countries with money and business, that's different from western approach. We have no army fighting anywhere in any other foreign countries.

There was no trick. Those in power were offered huge amounts of dollars to poodle to US strategic goals and they willingly took the money. Most of them are in their sponsor countries living the good life now. These so called leaders sacrificed the people for their own materialistic desires causing misery and poverty to millions of Pakistanis.

That might be true , but US scheme to bring wars and conflicts in and round Pakistan is equally evil.

 

[jhungary]

I never said China never sells weapons and all Chinese involvemnt is peaceful, cause it goes without saying it's not true, every country has their own interest, that's common sense.
But comparatively speaking, Chinese investments around the world focus on infrastructures which in the long run are designed to help the economic enviornment. China first goes to other countries with money and business, that's different from western approach. We have no army fighting anywhere in any other foreign countries.

First of all, you have PLA involve in International Conflict past and now. And you have had people involve in all sort of conflict in history before. Remember the Chinese technician who was killed in Serbia back in the 90s? How he got there? How about PLA peacekeeper in Africa? Gulf of Eden? Djibouti? And remember how China help North Korea, Vietnam in both Military and Financially?

There are always Chinese involvement, because China do them with their own National Interest at heart, this is not just the Chinese doing, the whole develop all these interest not because one country want to help another country, because they want to get something toward it. It is true no matter which country you talk about, be that US, France, UK, Russia and China is no exception.

If China was indeed trying to help these African country, the Chinese company could have done a lot of stuff instead of building road, like building school, bazaar, exchanging student, technology and so on, building road is what we called "Strategic Initiative" which mean it will be used by both Civilian and Military and benefit both, in Africa case, how many citizen have car or truck to be stimulated by these road network versus how the military aspect being helped by China to get these road made?

The different is, I don't go high and mighty and talk or rant about how Chinese Strategic Initiative shaping and waging war in African continent, on the other hand, you did.

 

[haidian]

First of all, you have PLA involve in International Conflict past and now. And you have had people involve in all sort of conflict in history before. Remember the Chinese technician who was killed in Serbia back in the 90s? How he got there? How about PLA peacekeeper in Africa? Gulf of Eden? Djibouti? And remember how China help North Korea, Vietnam in both Military and Financially?

There are always Chinese involvement, because China do them with their own National Interest at heart, this is not just the Chinese doing, the whole develop all these interest not because one country want to help another country, because they want to get something toward it. It is true no matter which country you talk about, be that US, France, UK, Russia and China is no exception.

If China was indeed trying to help these African country, the Chinese company could have done a lot of stuff instead of building road, like building school, bazaar, exchanging student, technology and so on, building road is what we called "Strategic Initiative" which mean it will be used by both Civilian and Military and benefit both, in Africa case, how many citizen have car and will be benefit from the road and port being build versus how much in military aspect being helped by China to get these road made?

The different is, I don't go high and mighty and talk or rant about how Chinese Strategic Initiative shaping and waging war in African continent, on the other hand, you did.

China's approval rate is pretty high in Africa, they know better than you and western propaganda machines. Chinese investments in African are busniess activities, we never said otherwise. But What US doesn in many countries are different, I don't have to convince anyone here, cause everyone knows that, denial won't change the well known facts.
CPEC is not an aid, both Pakistan and China know that.

 

[Max]

Not bad to reviwe the things, hope both side will come clean..

I personally have big reservations about the money wasted on orange metro and motarways instead of fixing railways and money not being invested in industrialization projects in parallel..

We have to realize that if we are not earning more then what we used to earn in 2013 and pilling up loans of dozens of billions.. we are in fvcked up situation and Chinese investements are not helping at all.

Big trade deficit with China is other big problem.

 

[jhungary]

China's approval rate is pretty high in Africa, they know better than you and western propaganda machines. Chinese investments in African are busniess activities, we never said otherwise. But What US doesn in many countries are different, I don't have to convince anyone here, cause everyone knows that, denial won't change the well known facts.
CPEC is not an aid, both Pakistan and China know that.

lol Chinese approval rate...

How many of these come from illiterate people in Africa. Most of them won't even know what kind of question they have been asked.

As I said, I have been to Mali, I have been to South Sudan, I have been to Nigeria in the late 2000s, people don't care about China there, many of them didn't even heard of the Chinese, but they do have a say on whether or not how and why their children were abducted.

And yes, you do need to convince me and many people that China is actually doing good in Africa IF YOU WANT TO BADMOUTH THE WEST FOR DOING THE SAME THINGS.