The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@Hamartia Antidote is on a roll today with his anti-China propaganda articles.

 

[waz]

Foreignopolicy.com article, file under BS and move on.
These are the same fantasists with their predictions Pakistan will collapse.
Here’s some of their junk I mean writing from 2010;

Is Pakistan a failed state? No.

foreignpolicy.com

That’s right they had Pakistan ranked below Afghanistan lol.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Give it another 10-20 years, you’ll be singing a different tune.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

I believe many of us may die laughing reading this silly amateurish article written by paid journalists.

On one hand USA applied hidden pressure on these countries that opting for weapons from China or Russia.
On the other claiming Chinese weapons are inferior.

The strategies adopted by US and Western Pharmaceutical Firms when they demonized the fear Chinese vaccines are alike.

When they failed, they imposed sanctions e.g. Huawei.

BTW China has already sold many civilian aircrafts and warplanes aboard.

 

[qwerrty]

"India, a longtime Russian fighter customer with a strong interest in sourcing from multiple countries, should also be a potential J-10 customer but is instead facing another nasty border confrontation with China in the Himalayas. India is increasingly looking to Western countries for military equipment and won’t even consider China,"


haha wth?

 

[kankan326]

Peaceful country vs war monger. War monger will always win arm orders because their weapons have been tested in real killing

 

[Titanium100]

Give it another 10-20 years, you’ll be singing a different tune.

If there is conflict and Chinese systems over-perform than it will logically get praise but I don't see wars happening in the next 10-20 years

 

[lonelyman]

"India, a longtime Russian fighter customer with a strong interest in sourcing from multiple countries, should also be a potential J-10 customer but is instead facing another nasty border confrontation with China in the Himalayas. India is increasingly looking to Western countries for military equipment and won’t even consider China,"


haha wth?

again the author knows shit

 

[Viet]

Chinese place arms embargo on Vietnam otherwise we can buy chinese jets. If they lift the ban then a win win for both communist countries.

 

[Mav3rick]

I think the reason could very well be that China still does not have the capacity to produce Fighter Jets in sufficient numbers to satisfy its internal appetite let alone fulfill international orders.

In addition, Chinese reliance on Jet Engines from other countries is still very strong and there's only a couple of engines being used by commissioned fighters which are produced locally.

Also, very importantly, Jet fighter procurement is not only limited to procurement of the product but also goodwill and clout of the seller. Buying from the US gives countries that edge as US is still a more generous partner than China.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

@Hamartia Antidote is on a roll today with his anti-China propaganda articles.

Beijingwalker is a good teacher over in the Americas forum..but I'm sure your blind eyes can't see. If you really had integrity you'd point it out every day...but you don't...so that says a lot about you.

 

[Globenim]

Between 2000 and 2020, China exported just $7.2 billion worth of military aircraft.

And there were few signs of upward momentum for China.

This is the data this American state propaganda mouthpiece is vaguely referring to with a deliberately obfuscating single total number, plotted on a chart.

New Chinese fighters with stealth airframe features, which help them avoid radar detection, such as the J-20 and FC-31, have also come on the market in recent years, but with no rumors of any international interest.

No rumors of interational interest .... according to American state propaganda rumors ... for aircraft not even for sale on the market yet = the world doesnt want them.


I guess that tells a lot about the intelligence of people consuming this American state propaganda garbage and the value of their "informed" opinions ...

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think the reason could very well be that China still does not have the capacity to produce Fighter Jets in sufficient numbers to satisfy its internal appetite let alone fulfill international orders.

In addition, Chinese reliance on Jet Engines from other countries is still very strong and there's only a couple of engines being used by commissioned fighters which are produced locally.

Also, very importantly, Jet fighter procurement is not only limited to procurement of the product but also goodwill and clout of the seller. Buying from the US gives countries that edge as US is still a more generous partner than China.

I highly doubt China has a capacity problem to build anything.

As Chinese technology gets more sophisticated it also gets more expensive. If the core base is developing countries this limits quantity sold.

You then have to look at need. Where are the conflict hotspots in the world and are these countries interested in pricier Chinese equipment? Certainly the middle east is a great candidate and has many countries friendly with China. So are some countries in South East Asia.

Africa probably not much of a need. South America not much need other than maybe a handful of planes to replace aging craft but nothing cutting edge required. Ex-Soviet block would be great too but many joined NATO so that only leaves a few that would be open and they may have Russian equipment.

This is the data this American state propaganda mouthpiece is vaguely referring to with a deliberately obfuscating single total number, plotted on a chart.

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No rumors of interational interest .... according to American state propaganda rumors ... for aircraft not even for sale on the market yet = the world doesnt want them.


I guess that tells a lot about the intelligence of people consuming this American state propaganda garbage and the value of their "informed" opinions ...

Instead of throwing up charts (and making vague assertions just like the article you quote) why don't you simply list countries and sales of military craft to put any speculation to rest.

You aren't doing much better than the article.

 

[flowerfan2020]

Beijingwalker is a good teacher over in the Americas forum..but I'm sure your blind eyes can't see. If you really had integrity you'd point it out every day...but you don't...so that says a lot about you.
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Only allow you to brash China?

 

[khansaheeb]

The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets

Snazzy weapons mean a lot less if you don’t have friends.

foreignpolicy.com

Fighter jet exports represent a unique combination of hard and soft power. If a country can sell fighter jets abroad, that means it can attract customers for sophisticated weapons that can sell for upwards of $100 million, which in turn proves that the country has appeal as a strategic partner. It’s no surprise, then, that Beijing has hankered to become a major fighter exporter for some time.

As China’s global stature has grown, many expected that its weapons exports would reflect its place on the world stage. Yet after decades of trying, that simply hasn’t happened. Last month’s confrontation with the Philippines, where Chinese naval vessels entered Philippine waters without authorization, may indicate the crux of the problem—and this failure may well illustrate a key weakness for China. Essentially, few want to partner up with Beijing.

For decades, China’s growth as a combat aircraft export power has seemed inevitable. In April 1997, Interavia, a once-influential trade journal, predicted, “China Poised to Overtake Russia” and Beijing would “well outstrip Russia in a decade or so as the combat aircraft provider to the developing world.” Nine years later, Aviation Week & Space Technology opined that “China may emerge as the bargain-basement provider of combat aircraft packages for the export market.”

The numbers clearly show that nothing of the sort happened. Between 2000 and 2020, China exported just $7.2 billion worth of military aircraft, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute arms transfers database. Meanwhile, the United States stayed safely on top, exporting $99.6 billion, and Russia stayed in the second slot at $61.5 billion. Even France’s aircraft exports doubled China’s, at $14.7 billion. And there were few signs of upward momentum for China.

Chinese fighters also didn’t break out of their relatively small core market. In the 1990s, their biggest customers were Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, North Korea, and a few African countries. That remains the list today. A Center for Strategic and International Studies report points out that, since 2010, 63.4 percent of China’s conventional weapons sales have gone to Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.

This feeble sales record has nothing to do with the aircraft themselves. China has made great strides in improving its state-owned aerospace technology base, particularly in the military realm. China makes quality products, or at least products that are on par with the planes that the old Soviet Union succeeded in exporting in great quantities to various countries.

The J-10, a fighter that Beijing unveiled in the 2000s, has operating characteristics—including speed, range, payload, weapons capabilities, and sensors—that are fully in line with U.S., Russian, and European aircraft on the export market. The latest version, the J-10C, has an active electronically scanned array radar, as most modern Western fighters do. Yet not one has sold overseas, even as China has been trying to peddle the J-10 to its biggest single military aircraft customer, Pakistan, and other countries for more than 15 years. (Pakistan is sticking with older technology from China with the JF-17, partly because it’s all the country can afford, and partly because it’s been assembling it domestically.) Other Chinese combat aircraft have had similar fates.

New Chinese fighters with stealth airframe features, which help them avoid radar detection, such as the J-20 and FC-31, have also come on the market in recent years, but with no rumors of any international interest. Most likely, these planes are too expensive for China’s core combat aircraft customer group. But that doesn’t explain the export failure of all the other, older models.

The best explanation of this failure is China’s foreign policy. The Philippines is a perfect illustration of why China’s fighter export ambitions have stalled. For five years, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has tried to steer the country away from the United States and toward China. Also, until a few years ago, the country had never purchased a new fighter jet—the limited defense budget could only afford hand-me-down jets from the United States.

If China bribed and corrupted like the Americans do then yes they would have a whole lot more sales. At the moment China is fulfilling own domestic needs for war for Taiwan and is only selling for strategic reasons.