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Should Iran 'eliminate Israel from the Earth'?

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Well in that war Usa drove Korea back to China border and if it was not for China and Russia intervention today there was no north Korea .

Well Korea wasn't at that time as strong as Iran in weapons production and most of their weapons in the 50's were strictly imported from Russia & China. And most of Korea's domestic weapons production only came after the Korean war had ended. And I'm not saying they weren't given a lot of weapons but by the most part the weapons and tactics they could use were restricted to what other gave them. And the Korean war was a costly war for all parties in terms of casualties.

Where as Iran produces over 95% of it's yearly weapons procurements and the last time the U.S. went to war with a country who produced so much of it's yearly weapons procurements domestically was in WW2! NOT Korea! And US had to use a Nuke to finish that war.

Also if Iran increases production of it's Fatteh-313 & Zolfaghars and improves on them they would have the capability to take out targets like standard Aircraft bunkers, Runway's, Major Air Defense sites,.... as far as almost 700km from it's own territory

And Iran doesn't really have the military or financial capability to win a war against the U.S. and all we can do is make such a war so costly for the American that it wouldn't make sense going to war with Iran in the first place or if they do Iran's retaliation would bring them to their senses within a few day's because they start loosing assets far greater than ever expected.
 
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Well Korea wasn't at that time as strong as Iran in weapons production and most of their weapons in the 50's were strictly imported from Russia & China. And most of Korea's domestic weapons production only came after the Korean war had ended. And I'm not saying they weren't given a lot of weapons but by the most part the weapons and tactics they could use were restricted to what other gave them. And the Korean war was a costly war for all parties in terms of casualties.

Where as Iran produces over 95% of it's yearly weapons procurements and the last time the U.S. went to war with a country who produced so much of it's yearly weapons procurements domestically was in WW2! NOT Korea! And US had to use a Nuke to finish that war.

Also if Iran increases production of it's Fatteh-313 & Zolfaghars and improves on them they would have the capability to take out targets like standard Aircraft bunkers, Runway's, Major Air Defense sites,.... as far as almost 700km from it's own territory

And Iran doesn't really have the military or financial capability to win a war against the U.S. and all we can do is make such a war so costly for the American that it wouldn't make sense going to war with Iran in the first place or if they do Iran's retaliation would bring them to their senses within a few day's because they start loosing assets far greater than ever expected.
The problem is you can destroy as much weapon from us army as you want but if you can not attack usa mainland and target their production facilities tthen its for naught. On other hand they can attack your factories and destroy your production .capabilities aand then it lead to a war of attrition that you have a very hard time winning.
 
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The problem is you can destroy as much weapon from us army as you want but if you can not attack usa mainland and target their production facilities tthen its for naught. On other hand they can attack your factories and destroy your production .capabilities aand then it lead to a war of attrition that you have a very hard time winning.

I really agree with you, Iran must have both nuclear bombs and missiles with 10000 km up to 15000 km range.
I really do not know why we did not increase the missiles range.
 
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I really agree with you, Iran must have both nuclear bombs and missiles with 10000 km up to 15000 km range.
I really do not know why we did not increase the missiles range.
All American factories are located in middle east, if you don't believe me, at least believe American themselves:

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I really do not know why we did not increase the missiles range.

There is no point. Iran has no major enemies beyond Middle East, and can target US military within the Middle East.

By including Europe in iran’s Missile range the negative aspects will be tremendous as propaganda will be spun that Iran is a threat to Europe. This will bring more global pressure on iran and it’s Missile problem.

Iran understands this.
 
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All American factories are located in middle east, if you don't believe me, at least believe American themselves:

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Why would you say all American factories are located in the Middle East? They have factories all over the world especially in areas where they can use low cost workforce & or little to no government Taxes.

U.S. obsession with Iran 1st started out because of the prestige, money & ability to spy & act against the USSR out of northern Iran that they lost because of the Revolution and the absurd sanctions they imposed where meant to show the Iranian people who revolted against them & their puppet that Iran as a country was doomed for failure without being an American puppet! A delusion The Islamic Republic has crushed by being the fastest growing country in Science and Technology since ~the end of the imposed Iran-Iraq war that was also created to show that Iran can't defend it's self without the U.S.

Today it's gone beyond that and it's Saudi money with Israeli influence with the added benefit of being able to cut off Chinese Oil shipments and pressure the Chinese that the U.S. is losing supremacy too.

Fact is if the Saudi's don't cut it out and don't come to their senses sooner or later Iran may be forced to act by taking down a few of their leadership!
 
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Iran is the US's secret weapon. All of this is a big pony show. If there was no crazy regime in Tehran then there would be no regional issues blown out of proportions and the Arabs and the Iranians would have better relations and then everyone would have been better off in the region.

The USA never announces for years in row that they will attack/invade you, their fleet just shows up and starts firing without warning.

Israel is a colonial outpost. Everything and anything it does is within the action spectrum of the global neo empire aka the USA.

Continued survival of the Iranian regime is in the interests of the powers that be.

Since it came into existence, the Iranian regime has done nothing but create situations that ultimately benefit the global empire. After all Khumeni was flown in from France.

Do not fall for this dog and pony show.
 
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There is no point. Iran has no major enemies beyond Middle East, and can target US military within the Middle East.

By including Europe in iran’s Missile range the negative aspects will be tremendous as propaganda will be spun that Iran is a threat to Europe. This will bring more global pressure on iran and it’s Missile problem.

Iran understands this.

I think we are well beyond that! A 800kg post boost vehicle on the Khorramshahr will allow Iran to hit any European target as far as London which means all of France, Germany,.... with well over 1000lb payload

It's true that Iran doesn't really need to target anything beyond 2000km BUT even for targets within 2000km Iran needs a wider diameter missiles capable of delivering 4-8 +1000lb warheads (MIRV) where firing 10 missiles at a base ~1500km away will be equivalent to firing 40-80 Emad's at that base

And any wider Diameter Ballistic Missile capable of delivering such fire power even if only designed and intended for targets within 1800km will be propagandized by the Israeli's, Saudi's & Americans as an ICBM capable of hitting all of Europe regardless NOT to mention SLV's strictly for Iran's Space program.
So your right that we don't need ballistic missiles beyond 2000km range but we still need boosters that will be propagandized as ICBM's regardless especially as Iran's stockpile of BM increases being able to stock, fuel & launch so many to make up for your Air Force becomes a problem.
 
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All American factories are located in middle east, if you don't believe me, at least believe American themselves:

800px-GCCMAP.png

That sarcasm? Can't tell if you are serious. If you want to deny "American" manufactured goods, fire some missiles towards China.

There is no point. Iran has no major enemies beyond Middle East, and can target US military within the Middle East.

By including Europe in iran’s Missile range the negative aspects will be tremendous as propaganda will be spun that Iran is a threat to Europe. This will bring more global pressure on iran and it’s Missile problem.

Iran understands this.

Its not the question of no enemies outside of ME. Have to remember that the U.S. military has ability to strike Iran from a very long distance. Like for example B-52s launch from the UK or Diego Garcia. Or launch from Italy or other countries in Europe or Africa. Or even from the U.S. mainland.
 
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https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Know-Comment-Can-Israel-force-Iran-out-of-Syria-567670

KNOW COMMENT: CAN ISRAEL FORCE IRAN OUT OF SYRIA?
It may take a full-scale war, and it’s worth it, says General Amidror.
BY DAVID M. WEINBERG

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018 02:06


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IRANIAN PRESIDENT Hassan Rouhani speaks in Tehran.. (photo credit: REUTERS)


Israel has fully joined the battle in Syria – a war against Iran in Syria – but it’s not clear it can achieve any of its goals there. It will be very hard to force the complete withdrawal of Iranian forces and their proxies from Syria.

According to Dr. Jonathan Spyer, a fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies (and a columnist for The Jerusalem Post) Tehran has invested somewhere between $30 billion and $100 billion (!) in propping-up the Assad regime and building its own military infrastructures in Syria over the last seven years. The Iranian investment in Syria is deep, formally based and long-standing.


Iran did so for good strategic reasons from its point of view: to create a hegemonic land bridge under Iranian sway from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean and to establish a new front against Israel. The ayatollahs aren’t going to simply reverse course, write off that investment and decamp back to Iran just because the Israel Air Force occasionally strikes a missile shipment to Hezbollah or a few anti-aircraft batteries. Iran is in this fight for the long term.

If Israel seeks to prevent the consolidation of an independent infrastructure of military and political power by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on Syrian soil, along the lines of IRGC’s existing bases in Lebanon and Iraq, it is going to have to gear-up for more sustained conflict.

“The IDF will continue to act with full determination and strength against Iran’s attempts to station forces and advanced weapons systems in Syria,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an especially tough speech in Dimona last month.

But this raises a series of difficult questions: Is broad-scale and perhaps direct ground warfare against the increasingly-entrenched Iranian forces in Syria coming, and is it worth the costs and risks? Is the IDF ready for such a sustained military campaign? Is the Israeli public ready to absorb the cost this will entail? And does Israel have not only the declarative backing of the US for such an effort, but also its guaranteed active involvement, including confrontation with Russia forces if necessary?

The answer to the critical first question is a resounding yes, according to Netanyahu’s former national security adviser, Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror (who is now the Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies).
In a major study published online this week (at jiss.org.il), titled “The Logic of Israel’s Actions to Contain Iran in Syria and Lebanon,” Amidror explains in stark terms why Israel must act forcefully against Iran even if this leads to full-scale war. The Hebrew-language version of the study caused a stir at defense headquarters in Tel Aviv and at intelligence headquarters in Glilot, and the English version is now reverberating through Western capitals.


AMIDROR VIEWS the Iranian beachhead in Syria and Iraq not only as a conventional threat to Israel (especially if Tehran bases accurate and advanced missiles closer than ever to Israel’s population centers), but even worse, as a cover for Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

Iran aims to have Hezbollah and the other Shi’ite forces it is building up in Syria (and to the extent possible, forces in Judea and Samaria and Gaza, too), acquire the capability of striking Israel so severely that no responsible Israeli leader would dare attack the nuclear weapons infrastructures being constructed in Iran, says Amidror. He calls this Iran’s attempt to create a “deterrence barrier” to protect its nuclear program; a program that has been thinly and only temporarily mothballed (if at all), Amidror is sure.

Amidror compares the Iranian strategic concept to that which pertains on the Korean peninsula. North Korea’s conventional threat against South Korea has become so overwhelming that it has left South Korean leaders paralyzed, preventing any action against the North’s non-conventional threat. Amidror says that Iran is building-up Hezbollah and its own forces in Syria because Tehran aspires to achieve a similar “Korean” state of affairs – to deter Israel from acting against Iran’s nuclear program.

“If Iran acquires the capability to attack Israel with a high degree of precision using missiles from Syria and Lebanon, Israel’s strategic situation would significantly worsen,” Amidror writes. “And given that the construction of an Iranian force in Syria is intended to deter Israel from acting to prevent Iran’s progress in the military nuclear sphere, impeding this undertaking justifies an Israeli preventive attack if the need arises or a suitable opportunity presents itself.

“Israel must prevent the creation of an Iranian deterrence barrier at any cost, even if an Israeli attack will lead to war – that is, a large-scale operation involving fierce hostilities in Syria and Lebanon, as well as massive and painful assaults on the Israeli home front.”

This leaves Israel with quite a few challenges. On the diplomatic front, Israel must secure the freedom of action it needs to operate in Syria despite the presence of Russian forces, be they independent or part of the Syrian Army’s advisory network. This may have become more difficult following the incident last week in which a Russian transport aircraft was downed, killing 15 Russian military personnel.

Simultaneously, and without undermining the first element, Israel must enlist a reluctant America to take an active part in operations alongside it, and not only as a supportive observer from the sidelines. “Without such diplomatic backing, Israel will find it difficult to use its armed forces in the region in a situation where the two superpowers have a military presence,” avers Amidror.

Iran poses one of the most complicated and dangerous challenges Israel has faced over the 70 years of its existence. But “Israel must win this struggle against Iran, one way or another,” Amidror declares.

The writer is vice president of the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies, jiss.org.il, which is convening an October 21 conference on Israel’s confrontation with Iran, featuring Maj.-Gen. Amidror and Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman
They were before arab spring , now its not possible. Now Israel gave so many reason to Iran to stay in Syria.Plus Alassad is much more stronger before the arab spring. Israel has to wait.
 
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Without war then no
Even with war i think its a NO. Like i said before, Israel has no endurance, and Iran has high endurance.

Yes with Invasion ( foot soldiers )
Otherwise no
Iran has enough supply of people so
Is Israel actually ready to lose the soldiers it takes to win against Iran in Syria? I dont think so.

If we go by history they were able to offset PLO out of Lebanon
was PLO a competent enemy? NO.
 
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That sarcasm? Can't tell if you are serious. If you want to deny "American" manufactured goods, fire some missiles towards China.
No, it wasn't a sarcasm but a metaphor, we don't need to bombard your factories to shut down their production line, the heart of your industry or better to say the heart of your economy is in middle east.

that's why your CENTCOM is in middle east and not U.S.
 
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Iran is the US's secret weapon. All of this is a big pony show. If there was no crazy regime in Tehran then there would be no regional issues blown out of proportions and the Arabs and the Iranians would have better relations and then everyone would have been better off in the region.

The USA never announces for years in row that they will attack/invade you, their fleet just shows up and starts firing without warning.

Israel is a colonial outpost. Everything and anything it does is within the action spectrum of the global neo empire aka the USA.

Continued survival of the Iranian regime is in the interests of the powers that be.

Since it came into existence, the Iranian regime has done nothing but create situations that ultimately benefit the global empire. After all Khumeni was flown in from France.

Do not fall for this dog and pony show.

Easy to say for a moron that's never even been to Iran! Why would anyone in Iran's or America's leadership accept such an idiotic position!
Why would the American go as far as denying simple passenger Aircrafts to Iran and loos billions in the process?? Hell Iran isn't even allowed to buy Titanium! Plus, the U.S. had NO trouble playing Iran's Dictatorial Monarchy against Arab states during the Shah so there would have been far more money to make if they simply played each side against one another buy selling them both weapons?

You think Israel attacked Hezbullah in 2006 just to put on a show for you?

What an absurdly delusional way of thinking!!!!!!!!!! Today Saudi's are very openly working with the Israeli's and rather than removing your support for them you try to justify it with your tiny little brain to make Iran out to be the bad guy! LOL!
 
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Easy to say for a moron that's never even been to Iran! Why would anyone in Iran's or America's leadership accept such an idiotic position!
Why would the American go as far as denying simple passenger Aircrafts to Iran and loos billions in the process?? Hell Iran isn't even allowed to buy Titanium! Plus, the U.S. had NO trouble playing Iran's Dictatorial Monarchy against Arab states during the Shah so there would have been far more money to make if they simply played each side against one another buy selling them both weapons?

You think Israel attacked Hezbullah in 2006 just to put on a show for you?

What an absurdly delusional way of thinking!!!!!!!!!! Today Saudi's are very openly working with the Israeli's and rather than removing your support for them you try to justify it with your tiny little brain to make Iran out to be the bad guy! LOL!


On topic,

Jews can not do that unless they start a full fledged war with Iran in Syria which they would not or Syrian administration turns anti Iran which it would not.

Rather I see Iran taking a re-constructor role in Syria as the major ally and supplier as well in future. I think IRGC like force will be created inside Syria. It will be armed with modern Iranian weaponry like armed UCAV's, BM/CM, Tanks, light fighter jets.
 
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