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The US State Department has slashed India’s request for Javelin.

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A dangerous flashpoint in US-India relations faces visiting US Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, who faces tough questions from Indian officials on Tuesday. The US State Department has slashed India’s request for Javelin anti-tank missiles, offering instead a smaller quantity that Washington sources say is “less than half of what India has requested for.”

Indian MoD officials are furious that Washington, an avowed strategic partner, has pared down India’s requirement of Javelin missiles, even while arguing that defence sales are a cornerstone of the US-Indian strategic relationship.

“This (US reduced offer) is a deal killer. Washington will not dictate the quantity of weaponry we need. This will severely damage the prospects of US vendors in future arms contracts,” a South Block official told Business Standard.

This unexpected rebuff stems from the US Department of Political-Military Affairs, a State Department office that examines the political fallout of proposed US arms sales. Pol-Mil Affairs, as this department is called, often nixes or curtails arms sales because they might “destabilize the regional military balance.”

Neither the US Embassy in New Delhi, nor the Ministry of External Affairs, is prepared to reveal the reason provided by Washington for slashing the Indian request. The MEA and the MoD have not responded to requests for comments.

US Embassy spokesperson, Peter Vrooman, said, “We don’t discuss individual sales. Secretary Panetta looks forward to having an exchange with the Government of India on a broad range of issues.”

Andrew Shapiro, the Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs, had told Business Standard, in an exclusive interaction during his visit to New Delhi on 17th April, that Washington had cleared the transfer of technology for manufacturing the Javelin missile in India. Given that readiness to transfer high-end technology, the curbs placed by Washington on the missile numbers remains inexplicable.

The FGM-148 Javelin, built by US companies Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, is one of two anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) that the Indian Army is evaluating for its 350-odd infantry battalions. The other is the Spike, built by Israeli company, Rafael. These are both shoulder-launched, “fire-and-forget” ATGMs, which means that they autonomously track their targets after they are fired by a two-man crew.

Both missiles are scheduled to come to India for user evaluation trials later this year. However, the Javelin has already impressed the Indian Army. During joint exercises with the US Army, Indian missile crews have fired ten Javelin missiles. All ten hit their targets.

The US industry, which has heavy stakes in a successful Javelin sale to India, is sharply critical of the State Department for curtailing the Indian request. “Offering a reduced number of missiles will almost certainly kill the Javelin deal; in fact it seems to almost be designed to be so. It seems as if Hillary Clinton herself remains unconvinced about the India relationship and is trying to set a different tone,” complains an industry member.

A key US frustration in the defence relationship has been New Delhi’s refusal to sign three defence cooperation agreements that Washington has pressed for: a Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA); a Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-spatial Cooperation (BECA); and a Logistics Support Agreement (LSA). New Delhi believes that signing these agreements would put it overtly in the US camp, diluting its “multi-aligned” foreign policy that emphasises strong relations with multiple foreign powers.

There are also growing frustrations in Washington over India’s resistance to allowing US “end-user” inspections of weaponry sold to Indian security forces. New Delhi regards end-user monitoring as a violation of sovereignty.
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“Offering a reduced number of missiles will almost certainly kill the Javelin deal; in fact it seems to almost be designed to be so. It seems as if Hillary Clinton herself remains unconvinced about the India relationship and is trying to set a different tone,”

If they dnt want to sell then we have other option as well this is open market so no worry at all :tdown:
 
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New Delhi believes that signing these agreements would put it overtly in the US camp, diluting its “multi-aligned” foreign policy that emphasises strong relations with multiple foreign powers.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ed-india-s-request-javelin.html#ixzz1wwDpl4Ca

New Delhi regards end-user monitoring as a violation of sovereignty.

Thats the difference between India and pak and a slap on those faces who says India a US lapdog(not being ashamed of one for decades).

Go India go.
 
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I don't think the Javelins have much military value in a Sino-Indian war.

As long as China can achieve air superiority over Indian airspace, your fate is sealed. The easiest way to defeat thousands of Indian Javelins is to explode an EMP above India. In one shot, thousands of Indian Javelins have become useless (see citation below).

Alternatively, China can use its H-6K "God of War" bombers to impose a Rolling Thunder bombardment of suspected areas with Indian troops. Javelins are useless against high-altitude bombers.

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Nuclear Survivability Requirement Change for JAVELIN

"The JAVELIN Project Office noted that the requirements for Nuclear Survivability of the JAVELIN missile system included a nuclear hardening specification that was difficult to satisfy in terms of time and cost.

The VEP proposed to match the nuclear survivability criteria set by the U.S. Army Nuclear and Chemical Agency and the Joint Services Operational Requirements.

Savings

U.S. Government saved $2.017M."
 
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I don't think the Javelins have much military value in a Sino-Indian war.

As long as China can achieve air superiority over Indian airspace, your fate is sealed. The easiest way to defeat thousands of Indian Javelins is to explode an EMP above India. In one shot, thousands of Indian Javelins have become useless (see citation below).

Alternatively, China can use its H-6K "God of War" bombers to impose a Rolling Thunder bombardment of suspected areas with Indian troops. Javelins are useless against high-altitude bombers.

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Nuclear Survivability Requirement Change for JAVELIN

"The JAVELIN Project Office noted that the requirements for Nuclear Survivability of the JAVELIN missile system included a nuclear hardening specification that was difficult to satisfy in terms of time and cost.

The VEP proposed to match the nuclear survivability criteria set by the U.S. Army Nuclear and Chemical Agency and the Joint Services Operational Requirements.

Savings

U.S. Government saved $2.017M."

Javelin is an ANTI-TANK missile. Use your brains once in a while. Tank warfare is for the plains region. Meaning Pak focussed. There are enough BrahMos present in Arunachal Pradesh to take care of your air-fields. And if you really believe that the BrahMos is 300 kms...best of luck. Look at its deployment and then guess the actual range. All your talks about Chinese air supremacy is exactly what it is...in the air. So stop derailing threads with your China supremacy. Again I remind you, Arunachal Pradesh. Dalai Lama. Tibetan supporters. Tibetan government in exile. Nothing China can do except keep crying 'core interest' 'core interest'.
 
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Javelin is an ANTI-TANK missile. Use your brains once in a while. Tank warfare is for the plains region. Meaning Pak focussed. There are enough BrahMos present in Arunachal Pradesh to take care of your air-fields. And if you really believe that the BrahMos is 300 kms...best of luck. Look at its deployment and then guess the actual range. All your talks about Chinese air supremacy is exactly what it is...in the air. So stop derailing threads with your China supremacy. Again I remind you, Arunachal Pradesh. Dalai Lama. Tibetan supporters. Tibetan government in exile. Nothing China can do except keep crying 'core interest' 'core interest'.

I thought the Javelins were to stop Chinese armor?

As I understand it, India has a significant advantage over Pakistan in conventional firepower. The Indian economy is simply much larger than the Pakistani's for them to keep up. Ergo, the Javelins are meant for China and not Pakistan. Do you agree?

Also, the Brahmos' range is probably close to 290km. The Brahmos was designed to be supersonic. Air resistance rises exponentially versus speed near the supersonic range. Fuel is inefficiently consumed for a cruise missile in sustained supersonic flight.

A more elegant and superior design would have been a subsonic cruise missile with a terminal supersonic warhead (see below).

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http://project2049.net/documents/assassin_under_radar_china_cruise_missile.pdf

"He also suggested that a stealthy cruise missile with a subsonic cruise speed and a supersonic terminal phase would be the greatest challenge to the island's defense infrastructure.[37] Chinese reports indicate that this is the precise goal of the next-generation follow-on to the DH-10A."
 
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I thought the Javelins were to stop Chinese armor?

As I understand it, India has a significant advantage over Pakistan in conventional firepower. The Indian economy is simply much larger than the Pakistani's for them to keep up. Ergo, the Javelins are meant for China and not Pakistan. Do you agree?

The Javelins are meant to stop the penetrating armour pushes of the kind which occured in the Indo-Pak wars. Typical Indo China border is not suitable to long drawn out tank battles. But, the plains of India and Pak are where the action takes place.

If you notice our main focus has been increasing our logistical capability as far as China is concerned. Our current assesment still places emphasis on a misadventure from Pakistan not from China. China has a centre which controls its military and will not risk any damage to her own economy. Same in India. This cannot be said about Pakistan. The logisitical capability is for a worst case scenario where if there is a front in the east troops can be moved quickly. We clearly do not see ourselves getting in to a war with China. Nor do we see China getting in to a war with India.
 
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Either we get the number that we need or the contract goes to Israeli Spike . simple as that . Anyway i have read that Spike is as good or even better and cheaper than Javelin.
 
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I think the US does not want too much of a power imbalance between India and Pakistan if the S**t hits the fan. More missiles = more trouble.
 
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I see US realising that arming India against Pakistan is futile as one Pakistani soldier can defeat 50 Indian Tanks

In that case what are you waiting for? Why hasn't Pakistan invaded India already?
 
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