The US-Saudi Economic Attack on Russia is a Risky Gambit

[NiceGuy]

Osama bin laden had the same line of thinking. It didn't get him far.

And please explain why people would stop blaming the U.S. if they withdrew from Ssudi Arabia. I Don't follow .

I think all American know clearly why they station troops in Saudi. Saudi arabia is largest oil producer.in Middle east. When u can control them, then u can control their oil production , too.

US forces Saudi to raise its oil production, then they dare not reduce, and it make the oil price go down to the price US want.

 

[hans]

But now Saudi is driving oil price lower and lower, just to kill the US shale oil industry...
US shale oil industry cannot survive under low oil price as its cost is high..
US and Saudi have their own interest...

I think all American know clearly why they station troops in Saudi. Saudi arabia is largest oil producer.in Middle east. When u can control them, then u can control their oil production , too.

US forces Saudi to raise its oil production, then they dare not reduce, and it make the oil price go down to the price US want.

If there is a plot, it is very likely to be Saudi`s plot..
With lower oil price, Saudi can kill US`s shale industry, kick the *** of its traditional enemy Iran,
When competitor is weak, Saudi can make these money back with increased price..

This is a silly thread. Price of _____ goes up, its an American plot. Price of _____ goes down, its an American plot. Rebels in podunkville declare independance, American plot. Peace breaks out, an American plot to bring down <poster's country>. Seriously, there are people here blaming the US for an anti-American group attacking Peshwar to get Pakistan to break ties with the US. Huh? are you guys serious? Is there anything you _don't_ think is an American plot?

PDF should just maintain an "American Plots" thread that keeps all the idiotic, contra-factual, and incompatible conspiracy theories in one place.

It's supply and demand. More supply (American shale, Canadian tar, etc), less demand (globally soft economy). Prices drop. All the more so since speculation was keeping them up as high as they were in the first place. No conspiracy, just economics. Prices will go back up if the economy improves, or if a lot of oil wells dry up (less likely).

 

[NiceGuy]

But now Saudi is driving oil price lower and lower, just to kill the US shale oil industry...
US shale oil industry cannot survive under low oil price as its cost is high..
US and Saudi have their own interest...

Shale oil industry just temporary stop and the whole US economy still OK. China can not keep buying Russian oil at 135 USD/barrel coz its economy is going down badly now, so I Chinese should worry abt their own future .

80 -90 % that US will forces Saudi to keep producing more oil until the price is below 40 USD/barrel.

 

[Vassnti]

there is more to this than just Russia

I do wonder where people get the idea that Saudia Arabia is some sort of US puppet that Obama says jump and King Abdullah says how high.
Lower oil prices might make things harder for Putin but they also create problems for Tehran perhaps the Saudis dont give a rats about the Ukraine but see a chance to have a dig at Iran so go along with the lower oil plan for their own reasons?

 

[hans]

temporary stop?? Are you sure?
All these huge investment of shale oil industry are borrowed money from bank and investor.
If the oil price is below 80 USD which is the cost of US shale oil, the whole shale oil industry is going to collapse.
Once collapsed, it will be a severe damage to US economy...

as a big buyer of oil, will you be happy or unhappy if the oil price is lower?
much less spending!
Yet Vietnam government much rely on oil sales from SCS..
Vietnam is going to lose a lot of money if oil price is that low...

I would say US government would prefer oil price at 80, enough to damage Russia`s economy, still profit for US shale industry..
Yet Saudi would like to make it 60, or even 40...

Shale oil industry just temporary stop and the whole US economy still OK. China can not keep buying Russian oil at 135 USD/barrel coz its economy is going down badly now, so I Chinese should worry abt their own future .

80 -90 % that US will forces Saudi to keep producing more oil until the price is below 40 USD/barrel.

 

[NiceGuy]

temporary stop?? Are you sure?
All these huge investment of shale oil industry are borrowed money from bank and investor.
If the oil price is below 80 USD which is the cost of US shale oil, the whole shale oil industry is going to collapse.
Once collapsed, it will be a severe damage to US economy...

as a big buyer of oil, will you be happy or unhappy if the oil price is lower?
much less spending!
Yet Vietnam government much rely on oil sales from SCS..
Vietnam is going to lose a lot of money if oil price is that low...

I would say US government would prefer oil price at 80, enough to damage Russia`s economy, still profit for US shale industry..
Yet Saudi would like to make it 60, or even 40...

80 USD can not damage Russia`s economy when China still buy at 135 USD from Russia. China economy keep going down coz ur real estate sector is in big trouble . Lower oil price cant help resolving real estate problem. So, China economy simply gain Nothing from low oil price.

And VN is trying to make the economy less dependent on exporting oil now.

 

[hans]

I would say Saudi`s target will be US shale industry and its traditional enemy Iran.
Saudi`s oil production has very low cost, less than 10 USD per barrel.
US`s shale oil has cost around 60-80 USD per barrel but will soon form a big industry to compete with Saudi..
So Saudi need to lower the price of oil to make US shale oil no longer profitable and collapse..
Once collapsed, it will take long time for shale oil industry to recover..
Also Saudi`s traditional enemy Iran is deeply rely on money from oil sales..
In the past few years, Iran expand its power to Iraq with money from oil.
By reducing oil price, Saudi can hurt Iran`s economy a lot

I do wonder where people get the idea that Saudia Arabia is some sort of US puppet that Obama says jump and King Abdullah says how high.
Lower oil prices might make things harder for Putin but they also create problems for Tehran perhaps the Saudis dont give a rats about the Ukraine but see a chance to have a dig at Iran so go along with the lower oil plan for their own reasons?

buy 135 USD from Russia? are you kidding?
Actually China buy few oil from Russia. Majority from middle east and Africa..
China`s economy is slowing down because of weak economy in US and EU.Exporting is a bit slow down.
Yet with oil price reduced, China can save billions of dollars...
that is quite a lot.

80 USD can not damage Russia`s economy when China still buy at 135 USD from Russia. China economy keep going down coz ur real estate sector is in big trouble . Lower oil price cant help resolving real estate problem. So, China economy simply gain Nothing from low oil price.

And VN is trying to make the economy less dependent on exporting oil now.

 

[NiceGuy]

buy 135 USD from Russia? are you kidding?
Actually China buy few oil from Russia. Majority from middle east and Africa..
China`s economy is slowing down because of weak economy in US and EU.Exporting is a bit slow down.
Yet with oil price reduced, China can save billions of dollars...
that is quite a lot.

Yep, 135 USD, thats what Chinese member sadi.

ChineseTiger1986 said :
Nope, we now import the oil from many different countries at the price of less than $60 per barrel, so $135 per barrel is just to uniquely subsidize Russia.
China needs clear strategy to help Russia | Page 7

China can save billions of dollars but u lost lots of money from exporting, real estate problem remain unsolved, thats why ur economy still down.

So, 80 USD cant kill Russia economy as long as China still buy at 135 USD.... but maybe 40 USD do some serious damage to Russia.

 

[jhungary]

Here is an example of Ukrainian forces that are being supported by the west, it seems like they don't mind supporting nazi groups anymore, but the separatist in the east are being called terrorists. Interesting double standard.

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Just letting you know, the photo is of an Airsoft Group, the AK lack of ejector (A shiny piece of metal cover the Shell Casing ejection. Typical feature of an AEG (Airsoft Electric Gun)

This is what a Real AK-47 series looks like

This is an AK-47 AEG

Now, looking at lower row- second person to your right on the same photo. HE is holding an AK-47 AEG........

Well, maybe Ukrainian Troop like to bring an Airsoft gun to war, I don't know. In fact, Nazi flag are quite popular in the Airsoft world, I used to belong to a team that have a standard Nazi and SS flag as their team flag...

 

[hans]

Forget about him..
How could you buy thing at double price..
It is already a support that China does not join the Sanction against Russia and continue with normal trading..
China will not lose money to help Russia..
Compare with lose money from exporting, the money saved from oil is much more..
The entire society save money from reduced oil price
Also real estate is a issue, but not big deal..

Yep, 135 USD, thats what Chinese member sadi.

China can save billions of dollars but u lost lots of money from exporting, real estate problem remain unsolved, thats why ur economy still down.

So, 80 USD cant kill Russia economy as long as China still buy at 135 USD.... but maybe 40 USD do some serious damage to Russia.

 

[SipahSalar]

Its actually a Saudi attack on US shale gas industry, Russia is just an innocent bystander that's caught in the crossfire.

 

[NiceGuy]

Forget about him..
How could you buy thing at double price..
It is already a support that China does not join the Sanction against Russia and continue with normal trading..
China will not lose money to help Russia..
Compare with lose money from exporting, the money saved from oil is much more..
The entire society save money from reduced oil price
Also real estate is a issue, but not big deal..

Bcz if Russia fall, then China will fall, too. Save Russia oil price means save China,too. U think China still can survive against US when Russia fall ??

And lower export means higher unemployment rate. So who will pay for Chinese jobless workers ??

In China, both a labour shortage and unemployment have emerged as problems in recent years. The number of university students scheduled to graduate in June 2014 is 7.27 million, increasing with 280,000 from 2013 (MHRSS 2014). Following 2013 – at the time considered the most difficult year for job seekers in history – 2014 is expected to be even harsher.
China’s unemployment and labour shortage | VOX, CEPR’s Policy Portal

 

[hans]

Why will Russia fall?
Russia economy is basically healthy, much better than previous crisis in 1989 and 1998.
I doubt if Vietnam government will fall or not, as oil sales make a big part of Vietnam government income..
We have huge stock and demand inside China, short term lower export will not hurt us.
Even Vietnam is trying to reduce rely on China, import from China to Vietnam is still increasing....

Bcz if Russia fall, then China will fall, too. Save Russia oil price means save China,too. U think China still can survive against US when Russia fall ??

And lower export means higher unemployment rate. So who will pay for Chinese jobless workers ??

 

[Götterdämmerung]

This is a silly thread. Price of _____ goes up, its an American plot. Price of _____ goes down, its an American plot. Rebels in podunkville declare independance, American plot. Peace breaks out, an American plot to bring down <poster's country>. Seriously, there are people here blaming the US for an anti-American group attacking Peshwar to get Pakistan to break ties with the US. Huh? are you guys serious? Is there anything you _don't_ think is an American plot?

PDF should just maintain an "American Plots" thread that keeps all the idiotic, contra-factual, and incompatible conspiracy theories in one place.

It's supply and demand. More supply (American shale, Canadian tar, etc), less demand (globally soft economy). Prices drop. All the more so since speculation was keeping them up as high as they were in the first place. No conspiracy, just economics. Prices will go back up if the economy improves, or if a lot of oil wells dry up (less likely).

The truth is hard to swallow. They are indeed all US plots and your regime is the most vile in the world and thus hated by all the people who hasn't been brainwashed.

 

[Carlosa]

The truth is hard to swallow. They are indeed all US plots and your regime is the most vile in the world and thus hated by all the people who hasn't been brainwashed.

Words of wisdom !!!!!