The US denied Turkey F-35 sales — and now it may turn to Russia in a nightmare for NATO

[Armchair]

not to mention the F-35s for Israel are essentially free, while the Arabs pay through their noses for second grade equipment. Surely with kill switches, bugs and EW intelligence fully available with Israel.

 

[dani191]

The US denied Turkey F-35 sales — and now it may turn to Russia in a nightmare for NATO

• Alex Lockie
  
• Jun 1, 2018, 5:55 PM ET

Lockheed Martin
Israel's first F-35A Lightning II fighter jet is revealed during a ceremony.

• The US Senate passed a defense spending bill recently that sought to prevent Turkey from getting 100 F-35 stealth jets, and now it could turn to Russia for the Su-57.
• Turkey has already agreed to buy one Russian weapons system, the S-400 missile defenses, which could give Moscow a window into NATO's defenses, which would be a nightmare for the alliance.
• The Su-57 and Turkey's embrace of Russian military equipment both pose serious threats to NATO and its aircraft.

The US Senate passed a defense spending bill recently that sought to prevent Turkey from getting the 100 F-35 stealth jets it ordered - and now Turkey could become the first buyer of Russia's Su-57 "stealth" jet killer.

The US and Turkey have a number of ongoing diplomatic beefs, including Turkey claiming that the US is harboring clerics that urged a 2016 coup and detaining US citizens, and the US is claiming Turkey is a hub of illicit financing.

But on the military side, Turkey, a NATO ally, poses another threat by buying Russia's S-400 missile defense system.

The S-400, one of the most advanced missile defense platforms around, is meant to engage and shoot down US jets, like the F-35, that rely on stealth.

Retired US Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula told Business Insider that NATO countries "don't want to be networking in Russian systems into your air defenses" as it could lead to "technology transfer and possible compromises of F-35 advantages to the S-400."


If Turkey owned the F-35 and the S-400, it would give Russia a window into NATO's missile defense network and the F-35's next-generation capabilities. Basically, as NATO is an alliance formed to counter Russia, letting Russia patch in would defeat the purpose and possibly blunt the military edge of the most expensive weapons system ever built.

So for now, it seems selling the F-35 to Turkey is out of the question, leaving another option for Turkey - Russia's Su-57 "stealth" fighter jet.

"I don't want to be too cavalier here," said Deptula of the prospect of Turkey buying Russia's jets, "but what a joke. You got to be kidding me."

One or the other

Russian Embassy via Twitter


Deptula cited the poor reputation of Russian aircraft, its maintenance records, reliability, and their ability to network with NATO systems as reasons why buying Su-57s wouldn't make sense. Deptula is not alone in disapproving of the Su-57, as India backed out of its cooperation in the project.

"If they bought the Su-57s and the S-400, those steps are incompatible with them buying the F-35. It's going to be either or," said Deptula. "And given the track record of Russian advanced aircraft, not a good move."

But despite the unproven nature of Russia's new fighter jet, a close review of recent photos of the plane by Business Insider revealed it's a direct competitor for US stealth jets like the F-22 and F-35.

So Turkey getting Su-57s would, for military and diplomatic reasons, present a nightmare scenario for NATO's security.

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https://amp.businessinsider.com/us-...-buy-russian-su-57-in-a-nato-nightmare-2018-6

 

[Basel]

i think russia will not sell its most advanced jet to turkey which may be used against russia in syria

May be, but Russia is willing to help jointly develop engines for TFX

 

[Azeri440]

Yes they havent however read this:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-not-to-sell-f-35-fighter-jets-to-arab-countries.429483/



Yes they are however i am not comparing Saudi F-15 versus F-15s of other countries or F-16 versus F-16 but rather F-15 versus F-35 which is what the F-15 will face if it comes to that. So US selling the most advanced F-15s to Saudi Arabia is still second to what US is offering to Israel.

you have an unknown source reporting news which no respectable agency has reported.

Saudis and UAE went for their F-16s and F-15s more than a decade ago, a period of time where F-35 was nowhere near complete, and it will take another decade to fulfill current export orders to members that have been committed to the project since the start.

 

[dani191]

Israel cowardly cried to US about sales and now they prevent a project partner from getting them. America is a proven untrustworthy partner. They are about losing Turkey for all..



It never happened, Turkey develops its own 5th gen. fighter.

why usa need turkey?

 

[925boy]

why usa need turkey?

Who else has sizeable available bulk of ground forces for NATO's use?(at the minimum).

 

[dani191]

Who else has sizeable available bulk of ground forces for NATO's use?(at the minimum).

who need nato?

 

[925boy]

who need nato?

Every country in it.

 

[IceCold]

you have an unknown source reporting news which no respectable agency has reported.

Saudis and UAE went for their F-16s and F-15s more than a decade ago, a period of time where F-35 was nowhere near complete, and it will take another decade to fulfill current export orders to members that have been committed to the project since the start.

Ok lets agree to disagree than. We will see once US actually sells F-35 to any of the arab world. Till than its a pipe dream.

 

[Azeri440]

Ok lets agree to disagree than. We will see once US actually sells F-35 to any of the arab world. Till than its a pipe dream.

if US doesn't have a problem selling its most advanced anti-ballistic missile defense system aka THAAD to the arabs, there won't be a problem selling F-35.

 

[IceCold]

if US doesn't have a problem selling its most advanced anti-ballistic missile defense system aka THAAD to the arabs, there won't be a problem selling F-35.

Remember THAAD is a defensive system while F-35 is an offensive system. Learn the difference between the two.

 

[Azeri440]

Remember THAAD is a defensive system while F-35 is an offensive system. Learn the difference between the two.

irrelevant, both are the most advanced systems US currently produces.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Su-57 is much better choice.f-35 rely on stealth and this is a plane which don't like to come closer to other fighters.best decision for turkey is to buy radars that can detect stealth jets.china have advanced radar systems and su-57 is a nightmare for europe.

 

[Azeri440]

Su-57 is much better choice.f-35 rely on stealth and this is a plane which don't like to come closer to other fighters.best decision for turkey is to buy radars that can detect stealth jets.china have advanced radar systems and su-57 is a nightmare for europe.

thats like the whole point of stealth and Su-57 is a nightmare for Russians and Indians, as one can barely afford the plane meanwhile the other can never get the plane.

 

[925boy]

irrelevant, both are the most advanced systems US currently produces.

you missed the point.