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The UK has left the European Union

Brexit is not about race or racism or even about immigration..
I remember reading a book more than 30 years ago about the advantages and disadvantages of the UK joining the EU (at that time it was still called CEE). At that time (before the Maastricht treaty) there were few problems with immigrants in the UK, whether Europeans or not, just because immigrants and their descendants were much fewer
Still, in UK there was already a public debate about the CEE.
Imho, brexit is much more about sovereignity: it is always hard for a former superpower ceding parts of their sovereignity to become a part of a club. Even if participation in that club gives you some advantages.

That is old data. That does not consider the far Reich movement of the past 15 years.


There is video after video on youtube, interviewing why UKers voted for brexit and nearly every answer is we don't want the Bulgarians. Or we don't want Italians. We don't won't the European migrant crisis. We don't want anybody different than a bunch of racist celts in the UK.
 
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What this deal provides is certainty for the next 4 years, until the process of talks start again. I am certain there will be more arm twisting, and we will run the risk of ever creeping integration back into the EU through the 4 year process once attention moves away. We should really as a country legislate a set of laws that politicians must benchmark changes to the agreement against in the future so that if they fail the sovereignty test, then they are legally not able to agree to them. This will ensure that we don’t silently become part of the EU again, in all but name..

We also need to use that time wisely to reduce our dependence on Calais, by looking to setting up Plymouth to be able to perform more commercial flow of shipping that integrates better with Spain for more of our trade flows, and also build up the surrounding transport infrastructure to be able to feed Plymouth better with traffic.

The French have their foot over our throats with the Dover/Calais link, and we need to proactively reduce the political leverage that buys France, as recently demonstrated when they stopped traffic to France on the "pretence" of Covid but, in reality, as a lever over the UK in the final stage of talks over the trade agreement. Given, the talks will take place every 4 years, we must prepare.

Additionally, Felixstowe needs a substantial upgrade as well given the issues we have seen there recently, and as part of that we should work with Rotterdam to see if we can increase our sea lanes for truck flow with them as well. ie Rotterdam to increase investment with the promise of increased trade flows to their ports. They are currently full to the rim, but that is not to say, we cannot work with them to increase investment in Rotterdam ports to generate more capacity.

We either actively plan to introduce capacity into our distribution network into Europe that minimises the influence France has on the UK or, we simply shut up and accept that we will get our chain yanked by them every time they want "to correct our behaviour to their interests". The manner in which the French have behaved over fishing is completely unacceptable.

Additionally, we need massive investments in green energy production technology to boost our energy production capacity so that we are not reliant on countries of the EU as a source of energy supply into the UK. That is another significant leverage they hold over us.

Hopefully people have learnt how badly the EU have behaved towards the UK and we all actively work to reduce their leverage over us. While this part of the Brexit process is complete, it was just a battle in a long running war to become truly free. We are not there yet, but we have taken a very large step in the right direction.

Given that the above are large scale infrastructure development projects that Bojo likes, i hope others in the government are thinking along the same lines and we can get some of them actioned by them..
 
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As I have said before, the war to properly leave the EU "will rage on".. tonight is just the next step in that process.. I really do think this "treaty" with a name ( it is not a trade deal ) is designed to eventually kill brexit by strangling our economy slowly and then fold us back into the EU in the least complex way possible in the future. Not sure i fully agree with all of Ben Harris-Quinney interpretations, but it is food for thought.



Boris's Brexit deal is a bit of a FRAUD - here's 10 reasons why, says BEN HARRIS-QUINNEY

IT is very likely as the detail of this deal comes out, only after it has been passed, that opposition to it will grow among Brexiteers.

By Ben Harris-Quinney, Chairman of The Bow Group
PUBLISHED: 14:16, Thu, Dec 31, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:26, Thu, Dec 31, 2020


It has become immediately fashionable among the Brexit movement to support this deal, but the Bow Group is never an organisation to get swept up in fashion, we prefer to look at the long term reality. The reality is that it is a cause of great celebration that after almost five years we are finally leaving the EU, but also that on immigration, on the ability to make our own trade deals, and on sovereignty, Brexiteers are not getting what we wanted, however much we want to believe we are..

It is never a good sign when a piece of legislation is given inadequate time to be debated, especially over Christmas when many are focused on their families.

Although the proposed Brexit deal will inevitably pass, the Bow Group has today released 10 points of concern about the deal, which we feel will become increasingly apparent in the coming years:

1. Inadequate time has been given for Parliament & citizens to analyse & scrutinise this Bill

The UK and EU have signed a provisional treaty. Never in British history has such a huge piece of legislation been forced through Parliament and without recourse to any revision.

It is therefore unparliamentary and cannot in any case bind Parliament beyond this session.

Without revision it cannot be deemed to be anything but a European directive.

We have given up Parliamentary scrutiny at the first opportunity, while the European Parliament has over a month to review and ratify the treaty. It speaks to a desire to avoid scrutiny to offer so little time to analyse and debate this deal, particularly over Christmas.

2. Likely increase in immigration and granting of British Citizenship

The UK will add around four million new citizens as British citizenship is granted to EU nationals from 2016, as the Bow Group warned previously. The right to remain should be honoured for those who came here under Schengen+ rules, it however should not include students.

Due to the very high numbers of new British citizens immigration levels should also have been cut to take account of this, we have however seen no reduction.

There has never been such a huge addition to our citizenry in our history. The new treaty maintains European immigration by bypassing VISA restrictions for EU workers here temporarily while working for an EU based employer.

This is clearly subject to abuse and can allow a continued contrived open door policy for the EU given that even for public sector tenders, EU companies can bid for contracts on a level playing field.

(Chapter 4: Entry and temporary stay of natural persons for business purposes)

(Article SERVIN.2.6: Performance requirements)

A major motivation for the Brexit vote was a desire in the public to see immigration fall dramatically, there is nothing in this trade deal, nor in currently proposed government policy, that would facilitate any significant fall in immigration, & the numbers of new British citizens is likely to rise dramatically.

3. Continuation of Regulatory Alignment

Level playing field provisions on trade cut across large areas of domestic policy and in effect retain the laws of the EU Single Market on the United Kingdom. Without the ability to take back control on regulation and therefore advantage over the EU on trade deals, in effect pushing the EU in front of the UK in any future USA trade deal. (Preamble and Article ENER.3: Relationship with other Titles)

“RECOGNISING the need for an ambitious, wide-ranging and balanced economic partnership to be underpinned by a level playing field for open and fair competition and sustainable development, through effective and robust frameworks for subsidies and competition and a commitment to uphold their respective high levels of protection in the areas of labour and social standards, environment, the fight against climate change, and taxation”

4. Lack of control on taxation and subsidy

The proposed deal restricts the UK Government's ability to set levels of taxation that fall outside the EU's threshold in order to prevent the UK undercutting the EU. It places similar restrictions on the ability of the UK Government to subsidise UK businesses. Both of these restrictions make it difficult for the UK to gain a competitive advantage over the EU or to improve our domestic circumstances from the status quo inside the EU. This is restrictive both in terms of domestic policy and our ability to gain new trade deals.

Article INST.2: Committees 1. (j) “the Trade Specialised Committee on Level Playing Field for Open and Fair Competition and Sustainable Development, which addresses matters covered by Title XI of Heading One of Part

Two and Annex ENER-2 [ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUBSIDIES]”

5. A poor deal for fisheries – CFP in all but name.

We are deprived of fishing stocks in perpetuity after 2026, having agreed with Brussels that these resources are "shared" while Norway enjoys total control of these even within the Single Market of the EEA. Quotas will need to be updated on a multiannual basis. (Article FISH.18: Review clause). It specifically mentions the Isle of Man and Channel Islands are exempt from this fishing deal because the CFP never applied to them. (Article FISH.10: Access to waters of the Bailiwick of Guernsey, the Bailiwick of Jersey and the Isle of Man). This is the CFP in all but name.


6. A restrictive and poor deal for services

While the deal on services allows some divergence from the European Union access to their market for services is based on that of most favoured nation status (Article SERVIN.3.5 (1): Most favoured nation treatment) which precludes any better deal with the USA or other country being concluded.

As the report states: “Each Party shall accord to services and service suppliers of the other Party treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like situations, to services and service suppliers of a third country.”

7. A divide between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK

There is now a divide down the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The mechanism outlined in the Withdrawal Agreement for NI to unilaterally leave the protocols binding it to the EU have always been inadequate given the effective veto the Nationalist block has through the legislative consent process. It would test devolution and the European Union were the Northern Ireland Office to attempt to unilaterally withdraw NI from the treaty though would not be impossible given the Northern Irish Assembly is not sovereign over NI.

8. The deal keeps us bound to many terms of the European Arrest Warrant

While cooperation in areas of law and order may be desirable in some cases there is no need to link them to trade. The treaty binds us to the European Arrest Warrant principle of extradition of British subjects without prima facie evidence so it is not true that we are not under ECJ jurisdiction, when member states can issue infraction proceedings against us. (ANNEX LAW-5: Arrest Warrant),

At the deal states: “This warrant has been issued by a competent judicial authority. I request that the person mentioned below be arrested and surrendered for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution or executing a custodial sentence or detention order”

9. A continuation of foreign court jurisdiction over the UK

The UK has led on human rights but has concerns over globalist bodies that rule on them. The treaty binds us to the ECHR and to UN bodies.

It specifically allows the EU to terminate the entire deal within 15 DAYS if it believes the UK has repudiated the ECHR. (Article 8.10: Trade and responsible supply chain management), (Article LAW.OTHER.136: Termination)

“However, if this Part is terminated on account of the United Kingdom or a Member State having denounced the European Convention on Human Rights or Protocols 1, 6 or 13 thereto, this Part shall cease to be in force as of the date that such denunciation becomes effective or, if the notification of its termination is made after that date, on the fifteenth day following such notification.”

10. Continued binding of the UK to the EU on defence

The UK will continue to fund the European Defence Agency via Horizon 2020 and of course by our huge contribution to NATO. The UK’s insistence on maintaining NATO funding and forward provision without condition has proven unwise and while we have acquired many new neighbours with this treaty, we have gained no friends. The continued presence of UK forces within the EU gives unrivalled security in a completely one sided direction. The UK should insist such forces can be summarily withdrawn from the EU within a period of 15 days in keeping with the termination clause of the treaty.

The loss of access to Galileo, its military data and our contribution to its development must be weighed in any future cooperation with the EU in military matters and implied guarantees by the UK such as its commitment to NATO policies including first strike, Article 5 and NATO partnerships with countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, Sweden and Finland (the latter two being in the EU but not in NATO).

I look forward to continuing that debate over the coming years with the hope of finally achieving what we set out to do: to make Britain a truly and wholly independent nation.

Benjamin Harris-Quinney is Chairman of The Bow Group.
Bow Group Patrons include: The Rt Hon Lord Tebbit, The Rt Hon Lord Lamont, The Rt Hon Sir John Redwood MP, The Rt Hon Ann Widdecombe, Dr David Starkey, Dr John O'Sullivan, & Nirj Deva
 
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It specifically allows the EU to terminate the entire deal within 15 DAYS if it believes the UK has repudiated the ECHR. (Article 8.10: Trade and responsible supply chain management), (Article LAW.OTHER.136: Termination)

That is a wonderful out for the UK. Seems people in the UK want nothing to do with the Eastern Europeans, Catholics and Germans. So just need to stop following the ECHR. EU will be left with the options of either fcking off or begging for a new agreement.
The lifeless seek to get into the UK to steal life. Kill the life that the people in the UK stole from God and people won't want to go to the UK anymore. Have that big new nuclear plant in Somerset melt down. No more life for the parasite. An off shore earthquake and tidal wave worked to irradiate much of Japan. It will work VERY well on that Somerset plant.
 
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From what I hear Eastern Europeans brought a lot of filth to the UK. Dirty people, women are massively involved in prostitution, they don't bathe regularly, they play loud music, they're all alcoholics, and they litter big time. I can verify at least some of these things are true about Poles and other Eastern Europeans. They do drink heavily. That's one of the main reasons people voted to leave the EU.
 
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That "Krankie bitch" does not care if she burns the whole of Scotland down to the ground, just as long as she can get her name in the history books as the one who made Scotland independent.

Given the new relationship framework between the UK and EU by the recent treaty, the people of Scotland can now project 'their economy' and socal framework through this new framework and see what type of social, and economic relationship they will have with the UK. There will not be a "unique" treaty for the Scotland in the EU and their interaction with what will become remaining UK (rUK). The bureaucrats in the EU are a bloody-minded bunch and we don't have the "Good Friday Agreement" to deal with for the "peace on the Island of Ireland ...".

Additionally, the UK got all of its debt obligations from the EU, but none of the assets, so they will need to factor that through the new framework aswell.

Most of Scotland’s interaction with the rest of the UK is service based (also with a very disproportionate level of government sponsored jobs which will relocate back to the UK in the event of independence), so what Brexit has done, is make it easier to model what independence will look for them if they do decide to leave. There is very little in the way of manufacturing in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK(all the ship manufacturing for the RN will have to relocate back to the rUK aswell). If they decide to make that decision, based on that information, then "good luck and good bye" to them.

The act of Brexit, has accepted the underlying theme that we are now looking at an independent united Ireland. We get that(the 6 counties was always a bad idea), most people in the UK can see that will happen now. If it happens, they have our best wishes ( and for its completion, we should remove the common travel area agreements between Ireland, and the UK as there is "no" more peace to maintain ).

The nature of the divorce for a union that has lasted this long between Scotland and the UK, will be more problematic than what the UK has achieved with the EU, and more so for Scotland that the UK.

Scotland will also have to account for the time between them leaving the UK and joining some new EU framework, as a 3rd party independent country and she has to also demonstrate how she will get her finances under control to be allowed entry to the EU. I am sure, the EU don't want another mouth to feed and the EU can see the current economic state of Scotland.

I am all for the Scot's getting another referendum right now in fact. If after 300+ years, they still struggle to call themselves British, then it is time to cut the cord, put up a border so that we can go our seperate ways.

And, yes, Brexit may lead to the break up of the union, and the re-emergence of England as an independent sovereign country on the world stage, but still, out of the EU..

PS. - “Scotland wanting independence only to join the EU is like leaving your parents and then moving to your nans.”
 
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Only way for them to go back is to enter the Eurozone and adopt monetary union and the Euro. This conundrum is what got them in a mess during the 2014 independence referendum. They had the absurd policy of leaving the UK but keeping the Bank of England and Sterling. The other alternative also was also not credible in the short term: leaving the UK, staying in the EU, but making their own currency and monetary policy. If they bite the bullet and commit to the EU, it could work for them. But it'll cost them of course.
 
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From what I hear Eastern Europeans brought a lot of filth to the UK. Dirty people, women are massively involved in prostitution, they don't bathe regularly, they play loud music, they're all alcoholics, and they litter big time. I can verify at least some of these things are true about Poles and other Eastern Europeans. They do drink heavily. That's one of the main reasons people voted to leave the EU.

I think it's a mixed bag. our own Pakistani "c'moonity" (community) is not too different, we have successful and highly educated British Pakistanis, and we have some who are less successful, and we also have our fair share of scum, grooming gangs and useless youths. A moped thief from Eastern Europe, is not the same as a post-doctorate robotics emritus professor from Germany, or even a normal upstanding worker form Eastern Europe for that matter.

So we do have these types of migrants from Europe, particularly Eastern Europe. Higher crime rates, less qualified, and usually competing for low wage work with working class natives. Which is partly why people in working class areas voted leave, whereas people in bustling metropolises and university towns voted remain. I'm broadly generalising here, there are exceptions and nuances to the voting stats.

However, there are also plenty of very valuable EU citizens in the UK too. During my time at university, around half the teaching and research faculty in Engineering, Physics, Computer Science, and to a lesser extent Mathematics, were all from the EU. Some directly coming from European universities, some from European institutes like the CERN, they had worked on LHC like projects in Geneva.

When natives and brexiteers argue that we could get the jobs more easily with lesser competition and it'd be a net benefit to the economy overall, there's a case to be made for lower wage jobs. However, for these types of EU citizens, replacing them is way easier said than done, they're subject matter experts who have decades of top notch experience, the kind of people that other countries and universities like to poach from you. Same goes for highly qualified medical staff, nurses etc. It takes years of training and very active policy measures to replace them.

Anyway, the second category almost balances out the first category on a national level, it's why some studies showed that unlike native Brits (on average), that the average EU migrant was a net contributor to the exchequer some years ago, in both hard monetary terms and owing to other secondary effects like demographics. Similar effects apply to non-EEA migrants too, but to a lesser extent.

I also read some reports on fiscal sustainability that looked at both the demographic related fiscal impact as well as net contributions. One report in particular, I can't remember now if it was from the IFS or OBR, but it very comprehensively showed that government debt and finances would be way worse with lower net migration (including and especially from the EU), and less sustainable spending due to worse ageing population effects. That decades from now if we were to meet lower migration targets, we'd all be materially poorer on average. Lower GDP growth, higher age dependency, higher debt to GDP, and less sustainable spending etc.

@waz One theory of mine related to this is that those more neglected and de-industrialised parts of the country were more inclined to vote for leave partly because the kind of European migrants they saw in their own communities. In some of those areas, EU migrants were more known for low skilled and low wage work, crime and other social problems. Whereas city elites from university towns like Bristol, Cambridge, Brighton, or financial and commercial hubs like London, usually saw either young university type migrants, or highly educated types like researchers, or high skilled workers, hence they saw less of the negative consequences of EU migration. And to add to this, we ALREADY had dilapidated infrastructure and higher poverty rates in the formerly mentioned areas, so higher migration + less investment and stressed infrastructure in those areas further exacerbated these effects. What do you think?
 
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@waz One theory of mine related to this is that those more neglected and de-industrialised parts of the country were more inclined to vote for leave partly because the kind of European migrants they saw in their own communities. In some of those areas, EU migrants were more known for low skilled and low wage work, crime and other social problems. Whereas city elites from university towns like Bristol, Cambridge, Brighton, or financial and commercial hubs like London, usually saw either young university type migrants, or highly educated types like researchers, or high skilled workers, hence they saw less of the negative consequences of EU migration. And to add to this, we ALREADY had dilapidated infrastructure and higher poverty rates in the formerly mentioned areas, so higher migration + less investment and stressed infrastructure in those areas further exacerbated these effects. What do you think?

Spot on bro, although London does see much more low skilled labour.
However it is a known fact the bulk of EU migrants are low skilled. This is plain due to the sheer numbers from EE and CE. Older EU states they tend to be highly educated e.g. France, Germany etc.


Horrible tax. Generations of our school girls paid more for just plain stupidity.
 
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Europe fear from Russia,
If Russia, China increase their relations with EU countries, then most of countries will leave NATO too...
 
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