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Right... I opened a similar thread a few weeks ago, however, it was deleted during the issue of the database corruption/hack of PDF.... My dogged determination (or rather, my skill for annoying others :angel::angel:) has pushed me to start this thread...

The thread may act as a platform for sharing the different regimental traditions of the Pakistan Army, or even traditions common to the army itself... Hell, share any interesting army related story; I'm all ears :enjoy::enjoy:

@Icarus, @DESERT FIGHTER, @Xeric Perhaps, some input?
 
What happens to the new cadets when they join PMA? is fooling by seniors allowed?
 
Fresh 2/Lt joining the unit on the first day is given a surprise which can be funny sometimes and can be traumatizing to an extent. You can see that in Alpha Bravo Charlie too. Sometimes unit soldiers/officers dress as dacoits and "loot him". the loot pays for their first dinner on expense of 2/Lt.

During any casual gathering in a club or mess, the senior most officer pays the bill which is a way to show care for his juniors.

During the movement of convoy especially unit transfer, the unit Khateeb does kuran khuwani and the first vehicle of advance party is rolled out under the shade of Koran.

The "Raising day" event of unit is held with zeal and vigour with gifts for retired and veteran officers who are invited from all parts of country.

On Raising Day event, the colonel of the battalion or the chief guest can even nominate a new slogan for the unit.

In the mess halls, the seniors are served first and then the juniors. all serving is done by waiters. At cadet level in academy and military institutions, if the senior doesnt want then the juniors will not get anything to eat and will go out of the mess with empty stomachs .

In unit canteens and academy canteens, cash payment is rare. What you write is a CHIT. buy anything, write name, number, course, price, sign and it is billed to account every month from salary.

The civilian staff like barbers, waiters, gardeners etc are paid by the Army but sometimes ask the officer/cadet they are serving, for a free tea or samosa. This civilian staff love CHITS on expense of officers/cadets to get anything from canteen. However, few dare to give BLANK CHIT with signature to these staff.

On the marriage day of any unit officer, he is thrown many times in the air by his unit officers, sometimes the number of times of his age.

Throwing in air of an officer/cadet by his coursemates or unit mates is very common to celebrate any achievement by that officer/cadet.

TEA BREAK is mandatory(not by army, but by hungry stomachs :)) between 10-11 am and then around 2pm. Its mandatory to serve tea break to any guest. Its considered extremely offensive not to offer tea break to any visiting officer/guest.

Disliking to any coursemate in academy is usually shown by coursemates giving him a COLD BATH. The platoon carries him to the washroom and throws him in the shower cubicle and locking it. They open the shower and 4 of them sit on side walls to throw buckets of water on him from both sides while the others hand them the buckets. Continues for about 30 minutes.

A cadet graduating from PMA gives a cash payment gift on the first salute he gets from the Drill/PT Staff who have rogered his butt "thoroughly" for last 2 years but will now keep saluting him for the rest of their uniformed lives.

Retired officers upon introduction are usually saluted by uniformed staff, im not sure of the law on that now. But 50% of the uniformed army personnel salute a retired army officer upon introduction.

A coursemate or a unit officer is a "brother from a different mother" for life.

Just a few on top of my head.

What happens to the new cadets when they join PMA? is fooling by seniors allowed?
lol DAMN, this demands a lengthy reply. i will fill in when i get time.
 
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TEA BREAK is mandatory(not by army, but by hungry stomachs :)) between 10-11 am and then around 2pm. Its mandatory to serve tea break to any guest. Its considered extremely offensive not to offer tea break to any visiting officer/guest..

False, the stomach has less to do with it than the culture. There was never a set time from refreshments but the East India company officers stuck to their British routines of tea which are continued today.
 
False, the stomach has less to do with it than the culture. There was never a set time from refreshments but the East India company officers stuck to their British routines of tea which are continued today.
Nopes, today is about stomachs(lol supporting arms units are most fun), menu(new chicken patties preferred over samosas) as well as visits of guests. The waiter is at your disposal, call him 100 times a day if the officer wants.No one cares about British traditions regarding tea breaks.
 
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At the academy the senior cadet at the table sets the pace to eat. He starts off and then others follow and whenever he finishes other have to finish as well, even if they did not have their fill.

The meal starts with "Gentlmen Bismillah" and ends at "Gentlemen Al Hamdolillah." One can not start eating before or continue after the two prayers.
 
What happens to the new cadets when they join PMA? is fooling by seniors allowed?
Oh, mate! 'Fooling' is a very, VERY light word... Whilst manhandling doesn't take place, there are many creative methods of inflicting torture... The most difficult part of it is psychological... It's a continual process to weed out those who can't 'hack' it... I heard a story of a guy's scalp sticking to the road (and subsequently being torn off) after doing the infamous 'GURKHA' on a scorching hot day in Risalpur... A course-mate of my Dad's was forced to lie down in pieces of broken glass and subsequently dragged, leaving a HUGE scar across his back... It leaves behind only those who are the most determined...

At the academy the senior cadet at the table sets the pace to eat. He starts off and then others follow and whenever he finishes other have to finish as well, even if they did not have their fill.
Now, THAT is zulm... I don't mind sticks and stones, but no FOOD after such arduous training is purely sadistic... Plus, going under the table shan't do your empty stomach much good...
 
Fresh 2/Lt joining the unit on the first day is given a surprise which can be funny sometimes and can be traumatizing to an extent. You can see that in Alpha Bravo Charlie too. Sometimes unit soldiers/officers dress as dacoits and "loot him". the loot pays for their first dinner on expense of 2/Lt.

During any casual gathering in a club or mess, the senior most officer pays the bill which is a way to show care for his juniors.

During the movement of convoy especially unit transfer, the unit Khateeb does kuran khuwani and the first vehicle of advance party is rolled out under the shade of Koran.

The "Raising day" event of unit is held with zeal and vigour with gifts for retired and veteran officers who are invited from all parts of country.

On Raising Day event, the colonel of the battalion or the chief guest can even nominate a new slogan for the unit.

In the mess halls, the seniors are served first and then the juniors. all serving is done by waiters. At cadet level in academy and military institutions, if the senior doesnt want then the juniors will not get anything to eat and will go out of the mess with empty stomachs .

In unit canteens and academy canteens, cash payment is rare. What you write is a CHIT. buy anything, write name, number, course, price, sign and it is billed to account every month from salary.

The civilian staff like barbers, waiters, gardeners etc are paid by the Army but sometimes ask the officer/cadet they are serving, for a free tea or samosa. This civilian staff love CHITS on expense of officers/cadets to get anything from canteen. However, few dare to give BLANK CHIT with signature to these staff.

On the marriage day of any unit officer, he is thrown many times in the air by his unit officers, sometimes the number of times of his age.

Throwing in air of an officer/cadet by his coursemates or unit mates is very common to celebrate any achievement by that officer/cadet.

TEA BREAK is mandatory(not by army, but by hungry stomachs :)) between 10-11 am and then around 2pm. Its mandatory to serve tea break to any guest. Its considered extremely offensive not to offer tea break to any visiting officer/guest.

Disliking to any coursemate in academy is usually shown by coursemates giving him a COLD BATH. The platoon carries him to the washroom and throws him in the shower cubicle and locking it. They open the shower and 4 of them sit on side walls to throw buckets of water on him from both sides while the others hand them the buckets. Continues for about 30 minutes.

A cadet graduating from PMA gives a cash payment gift on the first salute he gets from the Drill/PT Staff who have rogered his butt "thoroughly" for last 2 years but will now keep saluting him for the rest of their uniformed lives.

Retired officers upon introduction are usually saluted by uniformed staff, im not sure of the law on that now. But 50% of the uniformed army personnel salute a retired army officer upon introduction.

A coursemate or a unit officer is a "brother from a different mother" for life.

Just a few on top of my head.


lol DAMN, this demands a lengthy reply. i will fill in when i get time.
Haha fantastic! Are you a serving or retired offr.?
 
Now, THAT is zulm... I don't mind sticks and stones, but no FOOD after such arduous training is purely sadistic... Plus, going under the table shan't do your empty stomach much good...


The cadet does get the food after everyone else is done and even when one is sent below the table he still does get the food by other coursemates on table and if u couldn't eat your dinner there is always the canteen present in every company
 
The cadet does get the food after everyone else is done and even when one is sent below the table he still does get the food by other coursemates on table and if u couldn't eat your dinner there is always the canteen present in every company
Agreed... Now, imagine if someone goes to the coy canteen, only to find a bunch of seniors ready to provide front-rolls, rather than cream-rolls...:laugh::laugh::hitwall::hitwall:
 
At the academy the senior cadet at the table sets the pace to eat. He starts off and then others follow and whenever he finishes other have to finish as well, even if they did not have their fill.

The meal starts with "Gentlmen Bismillah" and ends at "Gentlemen Al Hamdolillah." One can not start eating before or continue after the two prayers.
If it was me that wouldn't have been a problem, as i can eat entire meal in 5-6 nawalas.
But in the case when i was the senior the juniors would have been hungry for two years:lol:
 
The cadet does get the food after everyone else is done and even when one is sent below the table he still does get the food by other coursemates on table and if u couldn't eat your dinner there is always the canteen present in every company
there is an amenity block in every battalion but no canteen in any company
 
What happens to the new cadets when they join PMA? is fooling by seniors allowed?

when a cadet enters PMA or any other PA military institution, there are two seniors who are directly responsible for him. one is course corporal and other is course sergeant. The cadet is part of a platoon of a course. Course can be 20-25 cadets.
Course corporal is of third term, course sergeant is of final term. These two can literally do anything with their assigned course of cadets. Rag them, punish them, reward them etc etc. The best of the senior term cadets are chosen as course corporal and course sergeant because these two will teach, train, guide and polish them for the first 6 months.

The most important person in a cadets life is , platoon commander (rank either captain or major). Its is truly said, " aasman per khuda hay, zameen per platoon commander". In PMA slang lang, he is called "palta". He is the only one after God who will decide the cadets fate. His recommendation can make a cadet 's fall or rise and even expulsion.
Company commander and battalion commander rarely interact with the cadets. Other senior officers are out of question regarding direct interaction.

The staff. Drill staff, P.T staff, weapons staff, horse riding riding staff, library staff...long list of staff. Staff's are the NCO/JCO who interact alot with cadets and wear the distinctive red sash. They are notoriously famous for giving RESTRICTIONs by making notes in their handy notebooks.

A RESTRICTION is a penalty which could be. NO weekend pass. NO night pass, NO vacations etc. This can also be to report to a certain area for a certain penalty at cerain time of the day for x number of days.
Restrictions are written as (Number X R).... e.g (2 X R means two restrictions).

First term cadets are now allowed to walk, even if its a few paces, they will double up means run. even walking with a senior they will jog along him.

They will hold satchels of books in a certain manner, they will always move in "Fall in" position.

Fall in position is the three row, shoulder length distance apart standing in army fashion. Any cadet who wishes to join fall in position will first take permission from the senior or the staff conducting the fall-in and then join from back side in an empty space on the right most side .

FALL IN position and joining it cannot be described in words here, its not complex but sometimes hard to understand procedure. cadets will always move in fall in position if in group of 2 or more. You can only breathe in a fallin, you cant move a muscle even if a mosquito bites you. you move and u get restrictions or ragging.cant talk, cant gesture. only look straight. not speak unless spoken to.

There is always course corporal or staff or any other senior cadet walking along the course when its moving in fall in position. if an officer like adjutant approaches the course, only the senior cadet will salute and report to him.

At night, there is a mandatory punctual inspection fall in and attendance at 9:00pm, (dont know if its changed now). The course corporal gives course status to course sergeant who gives to platoon commander. But this can vary in company fall in and battalion fall in.

Inspections are a pain in the butt. room inspections include a 30 item check from creases on beds to tooth paste, shaving blades, shining in boots, uniform with all buttons closed of every buttoned shirt blazer.

The clothes in cupboard need to be kept at certain racks with left or right as instructed only. the socks in a certain manner in certain drawers. damn, even show laces are checked. one thing out of place and u r blessed with RESTRICTIONS. stationery is checked. pillow, quilt properly placed is checked. There are alot of items.

Honesty, its hard to escape restrictions in a room inspection. FALL IN inspection includes shaving also in which a senior can use a paper to run on cheek upwards to check shave and if he hears a sound, RESTRICTION. shaving is must even if u r sick. If you go without shave one day, every senior, officer and staff you come across will make your life hell the whole day.

Now the fooling and ragging. Honestly, the seniors who rag you will become your best friends in later life as officers. its like they own u in the academy but owe u for the rest of your life.

Ragging is helpful in many ways. Its brings the cadets of one course/platoon together. One of the cadets makes a mistake, the rest of the course suffers and goes through punishment. its good as it brings trust in the coursemate standing next to u and strengthens bond.

ragging is a long list: push ups, front rolls, legs up the wall(especially after breakfast, haha), standing in sitting position, standing without moving, without blinking, look up at the sky eyes staring out though not in sun. and even stupid kind of things that waqar zaka copied from PMA in his dare shows, haha.

Mess and messing is another lengthy topic. no sound of crockery or utencils or u go under the table and the other cadets are advised to start kicking when u move from under one table end to another.

usually one senior stand at one end of table, other at the other end, one walks around and the waiters keep serving. yes, there is a fall-in before you enter mess and another after u exit. You enter the last, exit the first from the mess.

you enter in a straight line. stand behind chairs. you are then advised to sit. you stand on left of chair, pick it up quietly, no sound of chair dragging or any sound of chair with floor or else early exit from mess without eating. after you pick chair in right hand, you place it behind you. no sound. u r still standing. then when ordered, u softly drag the chair under toward u from behind, no sound, best to do is to already place it at an approximate position where u will sit and not too far from table. place the bum at the edge only. if u place bum in middle, early exit from mess or cocktail.

COCKATILS is 1/4 water filled glass, with curry , with the amount of black pepper or salt as the senior wishes and drinking in 3-5 seconds. didnt finish? fill again and do again till u vomit. worst is when senior fills this with raita or dessert also. and then says," dont worry, it will look all the same in your stomach in a few secs"

U wont believe the amount of crockery broken and vomiting scenes in cadets mess. if the senior doesnt the way u eat or drink, he will break a few plates in disgust and ask u to leave without food.
Okay the rules, sit straight with bum at the edge of chair, back always straight. looking forward. eat only when told to eat. you cannot get up. want something? ask your fellow cadet to pass it to u.

tell the course/platoon to follow these TIPS: always eat the curry first. leave the meat piece please for the end coz that will incur a sound from the fork. when eating rice with fork and spoon, if you cant handle fork, please leave the fork, grab what u can with spoon and eat before u make a sound with fork and everybody goes hungry. if u cant handle fork in a curry plate, just hold it and eat with only roti dipping in curry, dont learn to use fork when the whole course is eating.

Lastly, if u cant use spoon properly eating a dessert, take small chops or just pretend you are eating. make a sound and its cocktail dessert with 1/4 water in glass, rest dessert( kheer/trifle/halwa/sawaiyaan etc) and gulp in 5 secs.

Your buddy (batman sort of guy , one for 5-6 cadets) will polish your shoes, wash and iron your uniform, bring your assigned daily rations of milk pak and one fruit to ur room. can bring you other stuff if u bribe him with money or food or milk or CHITS...there are many ways. obviously one needs supply cigs, mobile cards or one mobile phone call from his cell or any other necessity for inspection thats gone missing etc

keep your buddy happy, your life will be happy. Forgive him if one fine day he decides to eat your assigned fruit or drinks the milk pak. He is a life saver in many other important circumstances when only and only he is your saviour after God.

damn i havent even come on ragging yet, will write that in next post.

Agreed... Now, imagine if someone goes to the coy canteen, only to find a bunch of seniors ready to provide front-rolls, rather than cream-rolls...:laugh::laugh::hitwall::hitwall:
mate, u use your buddy for this matter. obviously there are ways to go around ! he brings your supplies.
 
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