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The Taliban Have Won in Afghanistan

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On June 26 two US special forces soldiers were killed in Afghanistan, bringing the total of US military personnel who have died in that useless war to 2429, according to iCasualties, an independent casualty tracker. No matter what one might think about the rights and wrongs of the war in Afghanistan, it is sad to record such fatalities, and the question that comes to mind is: What did they die for?

According to the US State Department the military are there because “we continue to invest US resources to help Afghanistan improve its security, governance, institutions and economy,” and the Pentagon says “the principle goal… is to conclude the war in Afghanistan on terms favourable to Afghanistan and the United States.”

How?

Neither the current occupant of the White House nor any others aspiring to become president in 2020 have produced any workable proposals to end this disastrous conflict, and in an exchange of views on June 27 two of the Democratic contenders cast some light on the darkness of frustration and confusion. Members of Congress Tim Ryan and Tulsi Gabbard had a heated argument that involved Gabbard (who had served in Iraq) declaring that “The Taliban was there long before we came in; they’ll be there long before we leave. We cannot keep US troops deployed to Afghanistan thinking that we’re somehow going to squash this Taliban.” Even if she didn’t offer a solution, she is perfectly right — but it was the rejoinder of Congressman Ryan that was eye-opening. He said “I didn’t say squash them. When we weren’t in there, they started flying planes into our buildings.”

Gabbard was astonished, as well she might be, and replied “The Taliban didn’t attack us on 9/11; al-Qaeda did. That’s why I and so many other people joined the military — to go after al-Qaeda. Not the Taliban.”

Exactly. But Ryan’s demonstration of ignorance is disturbing to put it mildly. If a Member of Congress actually believes that the Taliban flew planes into New York buildings and the Pentagon on 9/11, then the Democratic Party has serious problems. Certainly, Mr Ryan will never be president, but the point is that his ignorance of history is reflected widely throughout America. (With one example being Trump’s observation in his Independence Day speech that there were airports in America in 1775.)

Fifteen of the 19 al-Qaeda hijackers were Saudis, two came from the United Arab Emirates and one each from Lebanon and Egypt. USA Today reported that they had “multiple links to associates of Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar, the former longtime ambassador to the United States. The documents show possible conduits of money from the Saudi royal family to Saudis living in the United States and two of the hijackers in San Diego. The documents also indicate substantial support to California mosques with a high degree of radical Islamist sentiment.” Not a Taliban in sight. In spite of the fact that the head man, the evil bin Laden, was in Afghanistan (and was later killed in Pakistan in a US special forces raid) the main 9/11 planning centre was in Hamburg.

And it was intriguing that Gabbard played the Afghanistan card, because as Jeffrey St Clair notes in Counterpunch, she “volunteered to go kill people in Iraq in 2004, a year after the massacre at Fallujah and the ‘casus belli’ of the war had been revealed to be a hoax, which is like signing up for a tour of duty in Vietnam after My Lai and the release of the Pentagon Papers.”

Neither of the presidential contenders had anything to say about the increasingly appalling human situation in Afghanistan, but we do get some indication from the New York Timeswhich has a weekly ‘War Casualty Report whose record of events is sobering, although, as the NYT points out, understandably incomplete.

For the week June 28 to July 4, for example, it notes that “At least 264 pro-government forces and 58 civilians were killed in Afghanistan during the past week, the highest death toll of 2019. Attacks by the Taliban spiked around the country as American negotiators met with Taliban officials in the seventh round of peace talks in Doha.” In addition to roadside and car bombings, the Taliban mounted forty ground attacks on government forces. We’re approaching the end of Phase Two of Chairman Mao’s three phases of revolutionary war.

The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), Mr John Sopko, reported to Congress on April 30 that, among other things, the NATO-run Resolute Support Mission in Afghanistan “is no longer producing its district-level stability assessment of Afghan government and insurgent control and influence.”

The Pentagon has refused to provide such information for over a year, and Mr Sopko was reported by the Military Times on 1 May 2019 as saying “I don’t think it makes sense. The Afghan people know which districts are controlled by the Taliban. The Taliban obviously know which districts they control. Our military knows it. Everybody in Afghanistan knows it. The only people who don’t know what’s going on are the people who are paying for all of this, and that’s the American taxpayer.”

That sums it up: when the US military establishment knows that things are going downhill, they do their best to keep citizens in the dark. They refuse to admit that the situation in Afghanistan is out of control of the US and the Afghan government in Kabul, even when it is blindingly obvious that there is chaos and that, for example, as Mr Sopko points out, “As of March 11, 2019, most Afghan households faced acute food insecurity — meaning they were likely to suffer acute malnutrition or be forced to deplete assets to meet minimum needs.”

This is unlikely to cause concern in Washington, where official policy on treatment of illegal migrant children is inhumane to the point of criminality. New York magazine reported that in one prison camp in Texas 351 children had been separated from their families and “100 were under 13, and the youngest was just over 4 months… many of the kids had been held for three weeks or longer” in the most dreadful physical and mental state. So there won’t be much compassion for starving kids in Afghanistan.

Not that the Taliban are humane do-gooders. Far from it. They are barbaric and unthinkingly savage and have no regard for human rights. Their treatment of women is worse than mediaeval and their idea of governance is to install sharia law, which is a thoroughly retrogressive jurisprudence. But this is what eighteen years of war have brought to the top in that historically chaotic country.

The most significant recent indicator that the Taliban are ascendant has been their killing of these two US special forces soldiers in a classic firefight. Afghanistan isn’t supposed to be like this, because of the vast US airpower available to strike insurgents, wherever they may be. It is astonishing that the Taliban were able to attack in this fashion. No details of the firefight have been given, which is not surprising, given official policy of concealment of awkward facts, but that the engagement took place at all is a most serious sign that the Taliban have got the initiative.

The current series of negotiations might produce some sort of agreement between the US and the Taliban, but there is no representation of the Kabul government at the talks. Nobody knows whether President Ashraf Ghani will accept a US-Taliban agreement, but that is verging on the irrelevant because the Taliban only need to sit him out. They have already won in Afghanistan.

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is that what victory looks like? whatever is left of taliban and the country

Hi,

Yessir indeed---. This is what victory is for the americans now---. Killed 2 million plus afghans---decimated the resource of the nation---ground full of un-exploded munitions---.

Power base smashed---drug production out of control---a law less nation being left behind---.

See---what happens when your leader Mullah Umar cannot tell the difference between a TERRORIST & A TOURIST ---.

It is never a bad idea to know better english---.
 
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Afghanistan was in stone age from the beginning and before invasion so they have not lost much infrastructure in this war,only major loss is killing of people by u.s of which afghan taliban are taking revenge in efficient manner and it seems they have won this war as they had nothing much available to lose in this war
 
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is that what victory looks like? whatever is left of taliban and the country

The Taliban seem to be pretty strong with lots of rural and semi-rural support in all Pashtun areas.

The more pressing question is that is there even something left of the country?

More than before the invasion --- now there are more road networks, etc.

Hi,

Yessir indeed---. This is what victory is for the americans now---. Killed 2 million plus afghans---decimated the resource of the nation---ground full of un-exploded munitions---.

Power base smashed---drug production out of control---a law less nation being left behind---.

See---what happens when you cannot tell the difference between a TERRORIST & A TOURIST ---.

It is never a bad idea to know better english---.

Precisely.

A super power begging them for talks and a deal to get honorable exit, so yes this is victory.

Exactly.
 
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A super power begging them for talks and a deal to get honorable exit, so yes this is victory.

Hi,

Get that thought out of your head---. You kids can't even think properly---.

America does not give a fck about an 'honorable exit'---. An exit is an exit---.

And how great are the afghans that after having 2 million of their civilians murdered---they are ready to give an honorable exit---wow---.

It is on the same level as Hulugu Khan's death---. His armies had executed 20 Lakh people---ie---2 million people round about---when ordering the killings of the 2 million and oneth person---now remember that---2 million muslims are already been executed ) ---his horse got skittish---Hulugu Khan was thrown off his horse and he died from the fall---and what does Zarvan claim---- Iwill let him---.

The exit is not a face saving for the americans---because there is no face saving for them murdering 2 million muslims in afghanistan---this is just a form of " what the fck I am doing here now moment for the americans & how do I get out of it "---.

People---just use your common sense---the americans slaughtered the afghans like animals---. The americans killed the afghan taliban like they killed their Bisons 150 years ago---.

No remorse---murder just for the sake of murder---murder in the name of the evangelist god---.

The americans want some salvation out of it---they want to claim to their evangelist god---look god---we tried to do the right---but these heathens---!!!
 
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Hi,

Get that thought out of your head---. You kids can't even think properly---.

America does not give a fck about an 'honorable exit'---. An exit is an exit---.

And how great are the afghans that after having 2 million of their civilians murdered---they are ready to give an honorable exit---wow---.

It is on the same level as Hulugu Khan's death---. His armies had executed 20 Lakh people---ie---2 million people round about---when ordering the killings of the 2 million and oneth person---now remember that---2 million muslims are already been executed ) ---his horse got skittish---Hulugu Khan was thrown off his horse and he died from the fall---and what does Zarvan claim---- Iwill let him---.

The exit is not a face saving for the americans---because there is no face saving for them murdering 2 million muslims in afghanistan---this is just a form of " what the fck I am doing here now moment for the americans & how do I get out of it "---.

People---just use your common sense---the americans slaughtered the afghans like animals---. The americans killed the afghan taliban like they killed their Bisons 150 years ago---.

No remorse---murder just for the sake of murder---murder in the name of the evangelist god---.

The americans want some salvation out of it---they want to claim to their evangelist god---look god---we tried to do the right---but these heathens---!!!
Rightly said bro. for the first time in history i tend to agree 100% with you. Americans murder for the sake of murder and draw pleasure from it. No exit is honourable.
 
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Did the Taliban fly a cruise missile into the Pentagon?
US have so many bombs it doesn't make a difference who they bomb and they don't really care as long as the bombs are paid for.
 
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Hi,

The Taliban should be grateful that the americans are not charging them for the war expences as they charged Iraq---.

Just like the dead millions of Bisons---americans consider the afghans to be at the same level---. Americans never showed remorse over wiping out a species of animal---they will show no remorse over the killing of the afghans---. If the President ordered---go kill---that is justifiable killing---.
 
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Hi,

Get that thought out of your head---. You kids can't even think properly---.

America does not give a fck about an 'honorable exit'---. An exit is an exit---.

And how great are the afghans that after having 2 million of their civilians murdered---they are ready to give an honorable exit---wow---.

It is on the same level as Hulugu Khan's death---. His armies had executed 20 Lakh people---ie---2 million people round about---when ordering the killings of the 2 million and oneth person---now remember that---2 million muslims are already been executed ) ---his horse got skittish---Hulugu Khan was thrown off his horse and he died from the fall---and what does Zarvan claim---- Iwill let him---.

The exit is not a face saving for the americans---because there is no face saving for them murdering 2 million muslims in afghanistan---this is just a form of " what the fck I am doing here now moment for the americans & how do I get out of it "---.

People---just use your common sense---the americans slaughtered the afghans like animals---. The americans killed the afghan taliban like they killed their Bisons 150 years ago---.

No remorse---murder just for the sake of murder---murder in the name of the evangelist god---.

The americans want some salvation out of it---they want to claim to their evangelist god---look god---we tried to do the right---but these heathens---!!!
You should study history. Every war had outcome for superpowers..Afghanistan war brought so much misery for USA economy..I saw American couple a weak back in bcn they ware fighting for two dollars..I realise the state of mind of a nation which used to give away billions...I agree with zarvan usa is lost in Afghanistan not badly but very badly they just want to withdrawal respectfuly from Afghanistan
 
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