The Taliban are not the enemy, Americans are

[kaal2009]

These are comments I have posted today on Boston.com in response to a Boston Globe editorial about the Taliban:-

When it comes to love and admiration for their firangi enemies, most Pakistanis are no different from Indians, but, as I have said, in Pakistan there are movements -- Jihadi movements, madarasa educated youngsters, etc. -- which do motivate many Pakistanis to fight their white enemies; in India, however, even such movements are lacking. After I wrote that, RAW started a "Ram Sene(Sena)" in India which attacked girls in pubs; the idea is to give the Americans justification for attacking/occupying India as they attack and partially occupy Pakistan. The United States already occupies Afghanistan and partly occupies Pakistan on the pretext of fighting the Taliban and its progressive colonization of India I have described continues apace. A report headed “Taliban has to be confronted and defeated: India” has the Minister of State for External Affairs Anand Sharma saying “There is no cause that can justify the killing of civilians” (The Hindu, February 19 ‘09, Internet). These traitors have to be exterminated first.

This is what I said in a letter to the press in 2001:-
“If ever there was a case for a United Nations' military intervention, the destruction of ancient statues in Afghanistan is one. India's government ought to drop paratroops where the destruction is occurring or threatened and send in planes and tanks, as planes and tanks are being used for the destruction. But the United Nations should move whether or not the Indian government does. I have shown elsewhere that India's government and people can accurately be described as "Criminal Bla***** Slaves". India's armed forces are among the largest in the world but what are the chances that they have a contingency plan to take control of Afghanistan--a part of traditional India--if necessary (the United States' armed forces have a plan for every contingency)? India's lazy and stupid generals spend their time saluting Criminal ******* Slaves such as India's prime ministers & each other; hence the necessity of UN intervention. (A news item in the Indian press today says China has said it will not press India and Pakistan to hold talks--because of my reference, below, to the Indian government killing tens of thousands of its own people in self-staged terrorist incidents to be able to say to the White Master it will not hold talks till such incidents stop. Note that the people of Afghanistan & Pakistan as well as Kashmir are Indians forcibly converted by handfuls of invaders--just as Indians were ruled for centuries by a handful of the British from across the seven seas--and now hate Indians for not protecting them. The Taliban's behavior is a variation on the theme of the 'Stockholm Syndrome', like Patty Hearst embracing the cause of the Symbionese Liberation Army. As to what turned India into a land of Patty Hearsts--that has to do with the 175 foot tall statue of Buddha the Taliban is destroying).”

After the above comment of mine, India's service chiefs stopped saluting Vajpayee as prime minister. They used to send junior officers to see him off at the airport where Vajpayee saluted them while they simply shook his hand. But, as I have said, a lot more needs to be done than just stopping saluting the prime minister.

The loathing, contempt and hostility the Muslims of the Subcontinent may feel for India is fully understandable considering they were Hindus forcibly converted by foreign invaders in a country that has a thousand year history of being over-run by successive waves of invaders from various countries without doing anything effective about it. Conversion is preferable to having your head chopped off and being used to build a tower of heads. It was the pacifism of Buddhism and Jainism that was partly responsible for it and so it is understandable that the Taliban demolished those nearly 200 foot tall statues of Buddha. As for their suppression of women, practically all societies throughout history have suppressed women, denied them education, the right to participate in public life or even go into the public, whether it was Victorian England or the United States where women got the vote only recently after a long struggle. Someone who I knew well lived in a town about 20 miles from Delhi in a very traditional Hindu zamindar family in the heart of India's heartland and had seven sisters. Their father had a science degree from Benares Hindu University. There was a junior high school for girls in town and there was no question of girls being allowed by their grandfather to go out of town to study beyond junior high school (though they could do further studies at home with tutors) whereas the boys could go anywhere and study to whatever level they wanted. Only after the grandfather died were the remaining unmarried girls able to go out of town and get bachelor's and master's degrees as did those already married to a lawyer and a professor. When an uncle, an amateur photographer, of the girls took a marriage photograph of one of the girls and coloured her lips red in the prints, the grandfather was very angry. Purdah has been just as strict in mainstream Hindu society as among Muslims. True, purdah among Hindus is due to the Muslim conquest of India but the point is the Taliban are not doing anything radically different from what Hindus in the Hindu/Hindi heartland have been doing for a thousand years or so. I don't think the Taliban women commit Sati on the funeral pyres of husbands as Hindu women did till recently, as the ultimate expression of female virtue, to be forever worshipped by the public afterwards; nor do their women jump into huge bonfires to kill themselves when the men go out to fight the American or NATO invaders as Hindu women regularly and frequently did to save their honour while their men in Rajasthan tied saffron bands on their heads and went out to fight and die to the last man against the Muslim invaders. This is the stuff of Hindu pride and they were infinitely more glorious than the cowardly slaves in New Delhi of Americans and the white man who dare not arrest and deport American officials who arrived uninvited after the Mumbai attacks and claimed they did not need papers to come and exercise jurisdiction over India.

I have shown how those ten sons of India, outnumbered a thousand to one in Mumbai, deserve India's highest civilian award -- Bharat Ratna -- for exemplary self-sacrifice and the highest award for valor -- the Param Vir Chakra."Taliban" is plural for Talib which means "student". What can one have against students? Character-wise, they are infinitely superior to the cowardly, degenerate slaves of the white man who constitute the Indian government in New Delhi.
As for the intercepted communications between those ten men who, I have said, were targeting India’s enemies and their handlers, there is an inscription in Greece saying “Go tell to Sparta thou that passest by that here obedient to their word we lie” (see Nehru’s ‘Glimpses of World History&#8217.

Varun Gandhi reportedly engaged in “hate speech”. According to a report (IANS in Times of India, March 31, 2009, Internet) he said “If somebody lifts a hand against Hindus, or thinks they are weak, (that) there is nobody behind them, then I swear on the (Bhagvad) Gita that I will cut off that hand…”. This is not hate speech at all. To say that “If somebody lifts a hand against Hindus … I will cut off that hand” is a pledge to defend against an aggressor. He does not name any particular aggressor individual or group but he could have and it would still not be hate speech. Any one in law enforcement, the judiciary or the Election Commission who says it is hate speech deserves to be whipped. A Supreme Court judge named Katju engaged in a display of irrational hatred toward Muslims within the past day or so when he said he will not allow “Talibanisation” of India in an appeal by a Muslim student in a “convent” school who has been denied the right to grow a beard by the school and by the lower courts. It would have been “Talibanisation” if that student wanted to impose the requirement of growing a beard on all other males in the school. His lawyer correctly argued that Sikhs have the right to grow beards, though there are many Sikhs who choose to be clean-shaven. If that Muslim student feels he should have a beard on religious grounds, that is his right. The “convent” school is the Talibanising agency imposing the requirement of being clean-shaven on everyone. The judge engaged in grossly incompetent behaviour based on a political or religious prejudice or loyalty to an alien subversive agency -- the “convent’ school.
From what I know of what goes on, not just during ragging/hazing but otherwise, in women’s colleges in India -- whether Miranda House of Delhi or Isabella Thoburn College of Lucknow, etc. -- fully justifies the ‘Taliban’ Hindu grandfather above refusing to let girls study out of town. A girl who went to college in Lucknow after the grandfather’s death not only returned home on her own within months, but later died from breast cancer -- unprecedented in that part of India -- due to oral contraceptive use -- according to modern, ‘liberal’ values -- while married to a doctor.

It was to ‘neutralise’ what I have said about the Taliban (see above) that C.I.A.-RAW arranged for the recent attack on the police academy in Lahore. The U.S. government does not keep its sponsorship of terrorism in the subcontinent a secret. Mitchell Shivers, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for Asian & Pacific Security Affairs, gave the following testimony to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 25 June 2008: ".... elements of extremism and terrorism are at work within Pakistan sponsored by the usa and India." The same is the case with terrorism in India. But sponsorship of terrorism is the least of what the United States does against India.

A PTI report in the Times of India is headed "Thanks to Obama, India will have a say in Afghanistan". This headline says it all about the ****** ******* slaves that Indians are of the white master; they need permission of the white master to be involved in a part of traditional India. I have said it is India's responsibility to militarily eject the United States from Afghanistan. "Thanks to Obama, India will now have a say in Afghanistan2 Apr 2009, 0900 hrs IST, PTI WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama has ended years of "veto power" wielded by Pakistan in Afghanistan over India's active involvement in the country post-Taliban, a US expert on South Asia has said. Because of Pakistan's stiff resistance and opposition to involve India in any way in Afghanistan that the Bush administration was literally prevented to take any move to include New Delhi as part of its regional strategy on Afghanistan, Deepa Ollapally, associate director of George Washington University's Sigur Center for Asian Studies, said in a Congressional testimony on Afghanistan. "So far, the US government has refrained from including India in regional political efforts in Afghanistan, basically bending to Pakistan's sentiments. India has obviously not been happy with this state of affairs, but it has pushed ahead with development assistance instead," she said in her testimony before the national security and foreign affairs subcommittee of the House Oversight and government reform committee. "The new plan that was announced (by Obama) on Friday (March 27), which will include an international contact group which will have India involved, I think is a step in the right direction," she said. "The current strategy, which has been to allow Pakistan veto power over India's involvement in formulating regional solutions to the Afghan crisis is not working and frankly rewards Pakistan for its behaviour so far," she said. Previously she directed the South Asia Program at the US Institute of Peace, was an associate professor of political science at Swarthmore College, and headed the international strategic studies unit at the national institute for advanced studies in Bangalore.

Note that, for India, I have said a first strike on the slave-master is what is needed, not deterrence. Pakistan may be content by deterring the slave-master, which is looking for excuses to invade Pakistan on the pretext of dealing with the Taliban, etc. If the Taliban are now in Pakistan, that is because the slave-master has invaded and occupied their country; naturally, they have to go elsewhere in the subcontinent. It is obscene to call Afghan patriots defending their country against foreign invaders "insurgents". The United States claims a right to go all over the world and impose regime changes, culture changes and what not for its own "security"; the Taliban can't even go elsewhere in the subcontinent?

The first and foremost point is that the United States has absolutely no right to be in Afghanistan and both India’s and Pakistan’s primary concern should be to militarily eject the United States and NATO forces from Afghanistan. Pakistan’s president and prime minister who talk of fighting the Taliban but not of fighting the Americans who have been carrying out drone attacks on Pakistan deserve to be whipped before being executed. The same for India’s traitor prime minister, foreign minister, National Security Advisor, Foreign Secretary, etc. Ejecting the United States from Afghanistan and stopping its attempts to impose slavery on India by various means such as the nuclear deal necessarily requires the use of nuclear weapons: a first strike with two twenty kiloton warheads, one to Washington and one to New York, accompanied by a warning of similar strikes on other cities such as Chicago if there is any retaliation. This can and must be done NOW, without waiting for anything.

 

[kaal2009]

An American asked 'What gave you the idea that Afghanistan is a part of traditional India?' My reply:-

I have said:-

i) “The only place on Earth where the classical culture, of which Greece was one branch, still exists, is rural North India.”
ii) “At the height of its Golden Age, the standard of living in Greece was that of a typical Indian village.”
iii) “The barbarians of Europe were the enemies of the Greeks”.

That classical culture no longer exists in Greece. With the advent of television, it is about to be wiped out from India also. But India is going to wipe out the barbarians. So long as vegetarianism exists in India, that culture has not been wiped out.

Afghanistan is the land of the Rig Veda where India's Vedic culture originated. The U.S. occupation of Afghanistan is occupation of India, just as U.S. attacks on Pakistan are attacks on India. India IS the real target of U.S. occupation of Afghanistan and partial occupation of Pakistan, as I have said. The United States' occupation of Afghanistan, its drone attacks on Pakistan, etc., are directed toward eventually occupying India and establishing overt colonial rule over the entire Indian subcontinent. Unfortunately, the people and governments of the subcontinent are children who do not know what is going on and the fate that awaits them.

 

[kaal2009]

An American responded to the above with:-

"What George Bush started will take many more years to resolve. Cost thousands of lifes and continue to drain the US government. And it may end up with nuclear weapons in the wrong hands - and who said GW was wrong about WMD's"

And another American said:-

"The threat from Pakistan is a reality but what is even more compelling is unravelling the mystery of offical policies vis-a-vis terrorism in Pakistan. Terrorism is a global threat today and thus Pakistan's case is not novel, what's surprising is that the Government of Pakistan neither has nor is interested in shaping a coherent counter-terrorism policy. The lack of such a policy makes Pakistan a greater threat for global security."

My response:-

In letters to the press in 2001, I said:-

"Date: January 17, 2001

Dear Editor:
Several years ago, the journalist
Seymour Hersh published a book titled "The Samson
Option" regarding Israel's nuclear arsenal.
Samson is a Biblical character who brought down a
building on top of his enemies as well as
himself. The title of the book referred to the
fact that Israel and its friends in the U.S. have
planted nuclear weapons in the largest U.S.
cities, to be exploded if necessary. The planting
of these weapons is not a terrorist threat but
ongoing terrorist acts. Have the outgoing
president--who knows this fact--and the U.S.
media done their duty to the U.S. public in this
matter? How would the President-Elect's national
security team deal with these terrorist acts?

ADDED ON JANUARY 18, 2001: Should the outgoing
president not be indicted for complicity in these
terrorist acts and in the mind-boggling crimes
that Israel and its friends in the U.S. have been
able to perpetrate by means of these terrorist
acts?"

And this:-

"SEPTEMBER 15, 2001: The worst act of terrorism against the United States is the planting of nuclear weapons in the largest U. S. cities by Israel and its friends in the U. S. (see letters below) and those who harbor them are the worst enemies of the United States. There is a leadership vacuum in Washington and the military ought to fill it. If there are any patriots in the U. S. Congress who would like to impeach this president for high treason, they should speak up. This president's heart may be in the right place ( see the New York Times, September 15 '01, page A15 ) but he is a captive of Israel and its friends in the U. S. and has no freedom of speech or action. All countries in the world should provide their air space and basing facilities to U. S. forces moving to strike Israel. An international police force under U. N. auspices should be readied to take control of Washington, if necessary, to prevent mischief by Israel and its friends in the U. S."

 

[paritosh]

not another thread!!!

 

[EyelessInGaza]

I'm kinda new around here; I understand that one liners and sarcasm are verboten?

Pity.

That was the second line. This is the third.

 

[BaburCM]

I'm kinda new around here; I understand that one liners and sarcasm are verboten?

Pity.

That was the second line. This is the third.

Why? Just because it doesn't fit your ideology? What can be more sarcastic and pitiful than that?

 

[wtf]

Why? Just because it doesn't fit your ideology? What can be more sarcastic and pitiful than that?

Oye Ghonchu, did you even read other posts by this Kal2009 guy before you jumped in with your opinion?
His earlier posts have called for a Nuclear attack on the US, Conquest of Afghanistan, killing of all politicians in India (PM & President) , making the nuclear secretary the head of the country etc. etc. It is pretty certain that not too many people will have ideologies that fit his.

I am hoping he is just a troll trying to spoil the forum or generally trying to get others worked up. Thankfully he keeps away from other peoples threads and always starts his own.

If he is not a troll, I agree that he needs pity. He is seriously maladjusted if what he says is really his opinion and probably needs psychiatric help.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Why? Just because it doesn't fit your ideology? What can be more sarcastic and pitiful than that?

Not because what he says does not fit my ideology. Hey I'm an Indian who chose to sign up on this forum and am enjoying the knowledge displayed by all forummers, debating ideas, learning new perspectives.

No it's because of this (I rest my case):

After I wrote that, RAW started a "Ram Sene(Sena)" in India which attacked girls in pubs;

After the above comment of mine, India's service chiefs stopped saluting Vajpayee as prime minister.

It was to ‘neutralise’ what I have said about the Taliban (see above) that C.I.A.-RAW arranged for the recent attack on the police academy in Lahore

Last, but not the least:

Ejecting the United States from Afghanistan and stopping its attempts to impose slavery on India by various means such as the nuclear deal necessarily requires the use of nuclear weapons: a first strike with two twenty kiloton warheads, one to Washington and one to New York, accompanied by a warning of similar strikes on other cities such as Chicago if there is any retaliation. This can and must be done NOW, without waiting for anything.

 

[BaburCM]

Oye Ghonchu, did you even read other posts by this Kal2009 guy before you jumped in with your opinion?
His earlier posts have called for a Nuclear attack on the US, Conquest of Afghanistan, killing of all politicians in India (PM & President) , making the nuclear secretary the head of the country etc. etc. It is pretty certain that not too many people will have ideologies that fit his.

I am hoping he is just a troll trying to spoil the forum or generally trying to get others worked up. Thankfully he keeps away from other peoples threads and always starts his own.

If he is not a troll, I agree that he needs pity. He is seriously maladjusted if what he says is really his opinion and probably needs psychiatric help.

Abhe Lalu Prasad... First of all, don't you call me any of your pathetic Hindu names. Also, don't you dare oye me! I don't owe you anything. I'm not one of your ragtag associates. I've read all of his posts and there is nothing wrong with them. His earlier posts have nothing to do with this thread so keep your biased view out of here!

Besides, that's his point of view! So much for being an exponent of democracy and freedom of speech. Let him hold on to his so-called controversial views. That's his right and you cannot take that away from him. Haven't you learnt the true essence of democracy? Did you know that business students in your country see the Hitler's Mein Kampf as a self-help guide? Isn't that a little more controversial and worrisome? See the link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/hitlers-mein-kampf-seen-a_n_190064.html Why don' t you worry about that before lashing out at others. Don't be hypocritical.

He is only considered a troll because you simply disagree with his view. You're burning out of rage and I can sense it up here. Just calm down. Learn to respect other opinions. I know that even though you claim to be the largest democracy you don't adhere to democratic values such as freedom of speech. This lasing out is testimony of that.

 

[wtf]

Abhe Lalu Prasad... First of all, don't you call me any of your pathetic Hindu names. Also, don' t you dare oye me! I don't owe you anything. I've read all of his posts and there is nothing wrong with them. His earlier posts have nothing to do with this thread so keep them out of here!

Besides, that's his point of view! So much for being an exponent of democracy and freedom of speech. Let him hold on to his so-called controversial views. That's his right and you cannot take that away from him

He is only considered a troll because you simply disagree with his view. Your burning out of rage and I can sense it up here. Learn to respect other opinions. I know that even though you claim to be the largest democracy you don't adhere to democratic values such as freedom of speech.

Ghonchu is a term for somebody is wrong/stupid, but not someone who is hated. "Oye Ghonchu" is how you'd address friends when they did something like forget their books to class etc. (I don't take offense to being called Lalu Prasad either)

Freedom of speech does not mean someone else can't respond to the original speech. All it means is that the right to speech won't be suppressed (esp. by government).

That said, thank you for holding us up for the rights of speech and democracy that I as an Indian should strive for. It is always an honor when someone says "You are an Indian, you should support free speech" and represents how our country is perceived by others! Thank you!!

 

[BaburCM]

Not because what he says does not fit my ideology. Hey I'm an Indian who chose to sign up on this forum and am enjoying the knowledge displayed by all forummers, debating ideas, learning new perspectives.

No it's because of this (I rest my case):







Last, but not the least:

Well, let the time be the judge of that. We will see how great your intentions are of signing up on this forum.

Well, the same applies for you. Read the above. Disagreeing is one thing, but calling names, being cynical etc. isn't civil. You should know your bounds.

 

[BaburCM]

Ghonchu is a term for somebody is wrong/stupid, but not someone who is hated. "Oye Ghonchu" is how you'd address friends when they did something like forget their books to class etc. (I don't take offense to being called Lalu Prasad either)

Freedom of speech does not mean someone else can't respond to the original speech. All it means is that the right to speech won't be suppressed (esp. by government).

That said, thank you for holding us up for the rights of speech and democracy that I as an Indian should strive for. It is always an honor when someone says "You are an Indian, you should support free speech" and represents how our country is perceived by others! Thank you!!

I'm not your friend and neither do I appreciate you calling people derogatory names! I only called you Lalu after you called me a Ghonchu.

Freedom of speech also doesn't mean accusing people of being a troll and lashing out at people. You're quite clearly frustrated and don't mind calling people names. Not a very pleasant thing to do, is it?

 

[sergente rehan]

On one point i'm agree with your point of view that U.S.A. are trying to occupy and control the hole world (and the same is for South East Asia) to remain as a Super Power.

Controlling; Iran & Pakistan which are the most serious threats for Israel, China the emerging Super Power which is threating the U.S.A. and India one of the growing economy of the region, they will be able to take control of this most important strategic region of the world.

But U.S.A is not the only power which wants to take control of this region.

Anyway we can't blame the westerns for everything, they are just doing what is in their interest. It's not their problem if poor civilians are dying in Afghanistan, Pakistan or else where in the world, they have their priorties of economic interests. All these (fake) wars on terror are just based on economic interests.

Beside all this we must punish and fix our leadership.....or we will never get out of all this mess.

 

[wtf]

I'm not your friend and neither do I appreciate you calling people derogatory names! I only called you Lalu after you called me a Ghonchu.

Freedom of speech also doesn't mean accusing people of being a troll and lashing out at people. You're quite clearly frustrated and don't mind calling people names. Not a very pleasant thing to do, is it?

OK baba maaf kar. Tum jeete mein hare. Ab Khush ? I wasn't thinking of calling you derogatory names.

 

[kaal2009]

An American said: "... do yourself a favor, write a manuscript of "what I said" and shuve it to *********. No one is interested what you have said in 2000406 words.

Your hate and anger is understandable since Vedas are Aryan documents of their conquests and spoils of India, they called Native Indians "Nose-less ****** black dasyus." One forth of Vedas are full of the conquests of a white king "Indra" killing and dispersing the poor native black austreloids of India."

My reply: "Do you think the so-called war on terror is anything but a war on brown-skinned people to impose slavery on them?"