The Taliban Are Not The Enemy, American Women Are

[BaburCM]

Removed the stupidity!

 

[All-Green]

Your cousin in charge of the guy who killed an American major?

My cousin was one of the officers at the flag meeting but not sure whether the guy was in his command or reporting to someone else...what he told me was that the guy was told to fire by his comrade standing close to him and hit a vehicle in which the American officers were leaving...did not really ask him about the major though....

However, this does not change the fact that my cousin faced a tough time in commanding the FC troops and only when TTP rained hell at them did the troops rally behind their officer...and boy did they shoot a lot of Terrorist bastards when they opened their eyes to reality.

The old man with the bomb must be thanked in a way for making the troops ready and willing.

 

[S-2]

Thanks for your forthright comments.

I won't hide that most of our troops have a real bad feel for the F.C. It, however, largely stems from this and another shooting. Can it be changed? I don't know. Does it really matter? I don't know that either. We interact so infrequently that it may not matter what either troops think of one another-at least for now.

Your cousin had one of the toughest leadership jobs in any army anywhere. Was he a fluent pashtu speaker before his assignment? If not, did he become fluent, how long to do so, and any help?

If not classified, what does he do now?

Thanks, All-Green, and God bless his men and him wherever they be.

 

[S-2]

Yes. I disagree wholeheartedly with you.

You lack accuracy in your assessments. Certainly you show no understanding of Iraq and your understanding of Afghanistan today versus the civil war or the Afghan-Soviet war is bent in a narrative designed to assuage your tender anti-American sensibilities.

The numbers are plain- Afghan-Soviet War 900,000-3,000,000. Take your pick. Afghan Civil War- no less than 200,000.

We're not even close. Of course you know this. If not, you should. Given it's focus and attention, Afghanistan has likely never had such an accurate assessment of the cost of conflict to it's nation. Modest which explains why today only 7% of the afghan populace favors the taliban while no less than 60% wish America and about 55% wish for ISAF to remain.

I have surveys. You have...what, exactly? FEELINGS?

As to our women, you intentionally meant to disparage. That's clear. Thousands of young women. You cherry-pick two. It's o.k., though. Doing so displayed more about yourself than anybody else.

Thanks.

 

[Stumper]

The abuses taking place are horrible and we cannot turn a blind eye. Many innocent civilians have bore the brunt. The whole war has been a farce to begin with. Besides, the Americans went to Iraq and Afghanistan with blind vengeance. They didn't spare anyone or anything. You've literally destroyed a whole country and aren't even regretful. Instead, you boast about how wonderful your soldiers are. Do you even have a conscience? How do you sleep at night, I wonder. I know that you being a patriotic and conservative American will never accept that. The truth is bitter.

Babur, maybe you can jog your memory and scan through the post's on your police training center hostage crisis. Just go through the choice words expressed by your member for the involved terrorist's and also for the afghan refugee's. I'm in no way saying that US tactic's in some of this detention bay are something i adhere to. But then our region really takes the lead in rights violation for detainee's (of all form). Maybe we should have awakened our conscience when our countries were using our respective neighbor's as proxy (or strategic depth as some members prefer to call it). U and Me, we are in deep sh1t ourselves.

 

[All-Green]

Thanks for your forthright comments.

I won't hide that most of our troops have a real bad feel for the F.C. It, however, largely stems from this and another shooting. Can it be changed? I don't know. Does it really matter? I don't know that either. We interact so infrequently that it may not matter what either troops think of one another-at least for now.

Your cousin had one of the toughest leadership jobs in any army anywhere. Was he a fluent pashtu speaker before his assignment? If not, did he become fluent, how long to do so, and any help?

If not classified, what does he do now?

Thanks, All-Green, and God bless his men and him wherever they be.

He was not a pashto speaker and only learned basics, was not that much of help if you are talking about blending in...it was his doggedness which made the troops rally eventually...its not like they hated him personally but the perception was of pro western officers who are not taking care of the tribal interests...eventually circumstances changed the situation.
He is a good cavalry officer and still doing well in his parent arm after his return.

Amen to that S-2 and may there be a road to peace amongst all this war and hatred.

My sincerest wishes.

 

[BaburCM]

Removed the blasphemy!

 

[S-2]

"He is a good cavalry officer and still doing well in his parent arm after his return."

Good for him. I wish him some peace, quiet, and a relaxing tour somewhere for a bit to decompress. His job up there was likely 24/7 and it couldn't have been very comfortable or easy.

Volunteer or assignment to the F.C.?

"Amen to that S-2 and may there be a road to peace amongst all this war and hatred."

Yeah, well this ol' armchair general warmonger would love to see the day that avenue opens up. Seems like a damned roulette wheel that's got one winning number and the rest just keep crapping out to war.

 

[S-2]

"You're entitled to your opinion..."

No. I'm quoting western-biased media polls and the best available historical data on Afghan wars of recent past. Can you do better?

I won't defend my army. I don't think there's a need, actually. We'll survive Abu Ghraib, Bagram, and Guantanamo knowing that somehow there's far worse done to muslims by muslims and others-

Russian Death Squads "Pulverise" Chechans-Times of London

No worries about it on this board, though. Or maybe most of Islam is scared sh!tless that the Russians will do the same elsewhere. Perhaps photos would help to dramatize the malice. I guess pictures tell a thousand words, eh? They did at Abu Ghraib. Of course, there's not much left to photograph after a 152mm projo strapped to a corpse goes off.

Just blood, guts, and slop sprayed everywhere.

Either way, we've really got a lot to learn on the finer points of murder/mayhem for the hell of it from others.

OTOH, we've been a long time since we had our azz handed to us like the Chechans did to the Russians in Grozny.

They could really use some anger-management training.

How's that for "kosher" behavior or do they receive special dispensation for Russians being ever so terribly "Russian"?

 

[roadrunner]

Stupid thread really.

What's uncalled for? Just reminding a few proud folks here not to forget the past. We cannot hide the atrocities committed by the brave women of the US army. We haven't forgotten those images. It must be very tough for these soldiers to carry out their respective duties. Rape, torture, murder, denigration of mostly innocent civilians etc. You just name it! Another prime example is Janis Karpinski. What a great human being! Trust me, the last thing I have on my mind is to denigrate anyone. I'm just mentioning the facts. There is hardly anything to be proud of.

I can agree with that. But I'm not sure Karpinski is female.

 

[S-2]

"I can agree with that. But I'm not sure Karpinski is female."

Funny. I'm not all that certain you're a man.

"I have clearly stated that there are a few rotten apples..."

Indeed. Busy lil' malicious kitty-cats at that, eh?

"We cannot hide the atrocities committed by the brave women of the US army. We haven't forgotten those images. It must be very tough for these soldiers to carry out their respective duties. Rape, torture, murder, denigration of mostly innocent civilians etc."

Lyndie England and Karpinski did all THAT?

As Bugs Bunny would say,

"It is to laugh..."

Self righteous fools. Care to dust off the P.A.'s stellar history with your own citizens? Maybe interview a female doctor or a schoolteacher from Baluchistan-

Pakistan Army Captain Not Guilty of Rape in Dubious DNA Case

Just scratching the surface and damned tired of this one-way street by some highly mis-placed sanctimonious azzes. There are bucketloads more over Bengal way. Remember that? Used to be called E. Pakistan.

Finally, did you ever wonder why Pakistan was right at the top of our preferred locales for rendition? Must be all that special care and attention of which your prisons are so famous.

Back off as we can make this as ugly as you wish.

 

[S-2]

"Stupid thread really."

No. Stupid taliban spokesman. Hypothetically, a stupid guy commenting about a "stupid thread" invariably generates two negatives that create a positive.

An endorsement of sorts coming from the likes of you.

I'm appreciative. Let's us all really explore some gender-related perspectives to global terror and it's detrius-an important and overlooked element of this war.

Thanks.

 

[roadrunner]

oh whatever, S-2. You are such a serious internet commando, you'd make a great laxative. Need I remind you, you started the thread stating how great you are, but yes, feel free to post whatever you like about Pakistan. You won't get censorship here, unlike some American forums.

Btw, I think Babur's point about Karpinski, was that it was a systematic violation, in other words someone commanding 15 jails who ordered the perverse forms of torture. So it was endemic. One captain found not guilty of rape is not a case of systematic abuse.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan Army Captain Not Guilty of Rape in Dubious DNA Case

Just scratching the surface and damned tired of this one-way street by some highly mis-placed sanctimonious azzes. There are bucketloads more over Bengal way. Remember that? Used to be called E. Pakistan.

Finally, did you ever wonder why Pakistan was right at the top of our preferred locales for rendition? Must be all that special care and attention of which your prisons are so famous.

Back off as we can make this as ugly as you wish.

War criminals no matter what country they belong to are War criminals.

One can claim the moral high ground, if the people of the nation abhor the actions of what their soldiers or personnel in uniform or office did, in this case Pakistanis do abhor the past.

However, many in the US will still praise their soldiers even after it is clear they crossed the line, or they violated international code of ethics.


You may bring up Bangladesh all you want, and your western historians may inflate the dirty numbers all they want, in the end we, the civilized, the Muslim-minded people abhor such ***** no matter who is behind it.

This is not to say there are not Americans who oppose the War, however, the large number of right-wing Americans are blinded by their patriotism to see the crimes their soldiers commit, in their eyes their soldiers could do no wrong (or little wrong)...

"Back off as we can make this as ugly as you wish."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[S-2]

"...think Babur's point about Karpinski, was that it was a systematic violation, in other words someone commanding 15 jails who ordered the perverse forms of torture."

Uh huh. Systematic. And now?

Oh, and your prison system today?

A kinder, gentler machine gun hand?

Systematic my azz.

"One captain found not guilty of rape is not a case of systematic abuse."

Of course and my apologies. He's been duly cleared by your military tribunals. You think that's IT? So you really feel comfortable with your army's human rights reputation among it's own, do you?

Cool.

"oh whatever, S-2."

Whatever indeed, roadrunner. Here's some lovely reading from your very recent past-

Soiled Hands: The Pakistani Army's Repression of the Punjab Farmers Movement-HRW July 2004

...and I've got oodles more.

You livin' in a glass house because we'll find out soon enough if you're tossing bricks?