The striking similarity of any Chinese, Pakistani and Iranian solid fuel rockets

[Khajur]

The striking similarity of any Chinese, Pakistani and Iranian solid
fuel rockets DF-11(A), DF-15(A), M-9, M-18 and Ghaznavi, Shaheen-1,
Shaheen-2 as well as Ghadr-101, Ghadr-110, Sejil, Ashura

Norbert Brügge, Germany

Update: 20.07.2009


It can not be denied, that the Pakistani solid fuel rockets Ghaznavi, Shaheen-1 and Shaheen-2 are similar to the Chinese DF-11, DF-11A and DF-15A (their two-stage variant M-18). It is very probable, that these Chinese technology was delivered also to the Iran. The mysterious Iranian rockets Ghadr-101 and Ghadr-110 as well as Sejil and Ashura missiles probably correspond the DF-11A (or their two-stage variant M-9) and DF-15A (or their two-stage variant M-18).
Both rocket-types have a different diameter of 0,88 m and 1,40 m. The numerals 101 and 110 refer probably to the diameter of the nozzles. That are good approach to the Pakistani Shaheen-1 and Shaheen-2.
On photos is clearly recognizable, that the DF-15 and DF-15A by set of several short solid fuel segments are built. Four segments uses the DF-15, and the extended DF-15A uses five segments. Interesting are the Chinese two-stage variants M-9 and M-18. The Pakistani Shaheen-2 and the Iranian Ashura might be identical with the up to now unknown Chinese two-stage M-18. The second stage of the Shaheen-2 uses two equal segments like the first stage. The Iranian Sejil is probably an equivalent of the Chinese two-stage M-9 missile. Unfortunately no further data for the performance of the rockets are known.

Chinese DF-11 and DF-15 missile families

 

[sob]

I am not a rocket scientist but looking at the Missiles there are similarities, but then also for missiles with similar payload and range there will be many similarities.

If there is somebody well versed in this field he would be better person to comment on this.

 

[muse]

I too have noticed how Indian, Pakistani Chinese, Iranian and Russian and European bullets seem to have a similar shape - I'm not a expert but it seems suspicious to me that the external features of these bullets is very similar, perhaps even more intriguing is that these bullets have gun powder in them - I don't want to sound alarmist, but it is curious, even suspicious.

Things that make you go "Hmmm"

 

[Spring Onion]

I too have noticed how Indian, Pakistani Chinese, Iranian and Russian and European bullets seem to have a similar shape - I'm not a expert but it seems suspicious to me that the external features of these bullets is very similar, perhaps even more intriguing is that these bullets have gun powder in them - I don't want to sound alarmist, but it is curious, even suspicious.

Things that make you go "Hmmm"

and they are also called bullets

 

[dabong1]

So the americans and russians copied the german rockets.....the chinese copied russian rockets and we copied the chinese rockets.

 

[TruthSeeker]

So the americans and russians copied the german rockets.....the chinese copied russian rockets and we copied the chinese rockets.

This is correct but before that the Germans copied the American (Goddard) rockets and the Americans copied Chinese fireworks rockets. I think the Chinese should get the "inventors" credit for solid fuel rockets. Their claim may go back 4000 years.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The M-18 that is reportedly the Shaheen 2, is way off in terms of specs.

The M-18 was originally shown at the 1987 [1988?] Beijing air show as a two-stage missile with 1,000 km range carrying a 400-500 kilogram payload. This M-18 missile had the longest range of any of the current M-series missiles. The M-18 is a larger two-stage version of the M-9 missile [the missile also designated as the DF-15 in China and CSS-6 by the US].

The Shaheen II is 2000 - 2500 KM range, with a 1000KG warhead.

So even if the underlying technology might have been spawned by the Chinese solid fueled rockets, the Pakistanis had to do a lot of work to get the Shaheen II to essentially double the warhead capacity and range of the missile.

Aside from Muse's poignant comment, I call bogus on this story on the SII at least.

 

[Khajur]

I too have noticed how Indian, Pakistani Chinese, Iranian and Russian and European bullets seem to have a similar shape - I'm not a expert but it seems suspicious to me that the external features of these bullets is very similar, perhaps even more intriguing is that these bullets have gun powder in them - I don't want to sound alarmist, but it is curious, even suspicious.

Things that make you go "Hmmm"

Lol,

sir,i guess missiles are bit more complex technology to be replaced with .303 bullets,hell anyway similar looking stuffs do always tell thing about their origins,dont they??

 

[DaRk WaVe]

and they are also called bullets

and guess what all of them are fired from GUNS

 

[Khajur]

This is correct but before that the Germans copied the American (Goddard) rockets and the Americans copied Chinese fireworks rockets. I think the Chinese should get the "inventors" credit for solid fuel rockets. Their claim may go back 4000 years.

No i think Americans learned from the british who used rocket projectiles in American independence war...the british learned it from Tipu sultan,ruler of Mysure india.

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/fr/2007/05/04/images/2007050400190305.jpg

 

[Meesna]

In one of the Capital Talk programmes in Dr Samar Muabrak Mand’s presence it was mentioned Benazir Bhutto took nuclear blueprint in her coat pocket to North Korea and brought back “Gaznavi” missile blue prints. No one denied it in the programme. I think this has been mentioned elsewhere in media too.

 

[xebex]

There could be similarities and there will be similarities god knows.....but then, u can not blame why my dad's Benz and my Aunt's Audi have round wheels.

As far as the AQ Khan story is concerned, everybody hav the right to be concerned!

 

[muse]

Werner Von Braun built V1 and V2 missiles for Hitler, our American friends were so concerned they made von braun the father of the US space program -- so it's curious and of course we all want to support peoples "right" to be concerned

 

[TruthSeeker]

Werner Von Braun built V1 and V2 missiles for Hitler, our American friends were so concerned they made von braun the father of the US space program -- so it's curious and of course we all want to support peoples "right" to be concerned

I get your point. But Werner was a "good" German, whether he worked for the Fatherland, or for Amerika. He preferred Huntsville to Baikonur, I reckon. He never sold used rocket parts in the bazaar, that we know of ....

 

[applesauce]

I get your point. But Werner was a "good" German, whether he worked for the Fatherland, or for Amerika. He preferred Huntsville to Baikonur, I reckon. He never sold used rocket parts in the bazaar, that we know of ....

if i remember correctly Werner never wanted to make military rockets he was a pure rocket scientist wanting to send satellites and stuff up but the only way he could get real funding was to make the V2 for Germany, even took rank in the SS to ensure his program continued, then after the war the US saw that he was useful and weren't a threat, so all was forgiven and he worked for the us after that