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No honour in murder

Youngsters in certain parts of India today cannot choose their partners. If they still do and the choice violates arbitrary, extra-legal norms set down by caste panchayats, the consequence can be death. Isn't it time we built a popular movement against the medieval practice of honour killings.

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by AMMU JOSEPH

A newly-wed bride and her mother-in-law were killed and the groom seriously injured by the girl's relatives in the Tarn Taran district of Punjab on May 11. According to the police, 19-year-old Gurleen Kaur's naked body had deep cuts in the neck area, and her shoulder and fingers had been mutilated. Her father, brothers and uncles obviously thought this was fit punishment for her crime: marrying 25-year-old Amarpreet Singh against their wishes.

Around the same time, an 18-year-old girl, Rajni Sahu, was murdered by her family in Allahabad (Uttar Pradesh) after they discovered she was pregnant. Although her death was initially sought to be passed off as a suicide, her elder brother subsequently confessed that she was killed because she was determined to marry a neighbourhood boy despite her family's disapproval. He told the media that he killed her “to safeguard the honour of our family.”

These are among the latest in the series of gruesome murders in the name of honour that have been reported from various parts of the country in recent months.

Will such so-called “honour killings” stop if the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 is amended to prohibit marriages within the same gotra? Unlikely. That may be the most publicised of the demands and threats issued by the Khap Mahapanchayat — a congregation of caste Panchayats from Jat strongholds in Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan — in Kurukshetra on April 13, and subsequently elsewhere. But it was not the only one. They have also reportedly called for a ban on marriages within the same village and contiguous villages, as well as de-recognition of temple weddings uniting runaway couples.

Landmark judgment

The mythical gotra factor may have come to the fore because the Kurukshetra gathering was clearly triggered by the recent landmark judgment delivered by District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma in Karnal (Haryana) in the case of Manoj and Babli Banwala, a young couple belonging to the same caste and gotra, who were murdered in 2007 because they dared to marry each other.

But, as scholar and activist Jagmati Sangwan has pointed out, not all honour killings even within Haryana involve same-gotra couples. According to her, the majority of the marriages condemned by Khap Panchayats are of couples who do not share a gotra.

Besides, even in a small state like Haryana, there are apparently areas and castes that permit intra-village and intra-gotra marriages, and do not have caste or Khap Panchayats. So the self-styled Khap Mahapanchayat cannot legitimately claim to represent all Hindu communities in Haryana, let alone the rest of India.

Most victims of “honour killings” reported from various parts of the country are young people who choose to love or marry outside their caste, sub-caste or religion. Not surprisingly, the socially and economically dominant castes are usually responsible for acts of reprisal against inter-caste relationships.

The bottom line is that, even today, many young lovers are punished — often with death — for having the temerity to fall in love across boundaries of caste or religion. Many caste groups, communities and families in several parts of the country still seem violently opposed to the right of young adults to choose a life partner (even though courts have upheld citizens' right to select their significant other, including a same-sex partner). In the name of preserving “social order” and saving the “honour” of the community, caste or family, all kinds of justifications are pressed into service. If the same village or gotra obstacle does not apply, there is always something else: a man was killed in Haryana last year for violating the “customary” proscription of marriage between residents of neighbouring villages.

Against individual choice
Opposition to matrimonial autonomy is so endemic in certain areas that in June 2008 Justice K.S. Ahluwalia of the High Court of Punjab and Haryana called for State intervention. While simultaneously hearing several cases relating to couples in the 18-21 age group he observed that the court was “flooded with petitions” seeking judicial confirmation of “the right of life and liberty of married couples,” while the State remained “a mute spectator”. “When shall the State awake from its slumber [and] for how long can Courts provide solace and balm by disposing of such cases?” he asked.

The recent spate of deaths attributed to “honour killing” and the aggressive, unrepentant posturing of Khap leaders seem to have pushed at least some in the government into taking a more decisive stand on the issue than was common in the past (under any political dispensation). However, it is no secret that these caste-based, extra-legal bodies enjoy at least tacit support from a number of political leaders, civil servants, police officers, lawyers and even judges. Already two politicians from Haryana — one supposedly enlightened, the other definitely old school — have publicly sought to make peace with the increasingly combative Khaps, albeit with riders (which ring rather hollow).

Sangwan's statement that “A legislature with little political will and a pliant executive will have to be made responsive under pressure of a mass movement” brings to mind a recent book by the woman who was largely responsible for catalysing a popular movement against honour killings in Jordan, one of the many countries where a life — especially a woman's life — appears to be worth less than “honour.”

Award-winning Jordanian journalist Rana Husseini's Murder in the Name of Honour is a passionate, powerful, provocative but remarkably positive and eminently readable book about the struggle against “honour killings” in her West Asian nation and the prevalence of the crime in several other countries, including the U.S., the U.K. and Europe. Drawing on her personal and professional experience, it vividly tells the fascinating story of her engagement with the subject from the day she followed up on a four-line report about a 16-year-old girl killed by her brother in one of Amman's poorer areas. Like the “kitchen accident” briefs in the Indian press in the 1970s that turned out to be about dowry-related murders, such reports were common in the Arabic press. As a cub crime reporter with The Jordan Times, Husseini felt the need to further investigate such deaths.
 
Relentless coverage

Each terrible tale she uncovered (described in chilling detail in the book) strengthened her determination to become the voice of women murdered by their own relatives and to make so-called honour killings into a national issue. Her relentless reporting of every case she came across from mid-1994 onwards attracted public support as well as opposition — even threats of violence. In 1998 she received the Reebok Human Rights Award for her reporting and activism on the issue. The international spotlight generated a national debate which, in turn, led to a citizens' movement aiming to not only raise local awareness about the horror of “honour crimes” but also demand changes in the law as well as tougher punishment for perpetrators.

Of the many interesting and inspiring aspects of the Jordanian struggle against “honour killings,” the one that impressed me most was the organisers' attempts to involve different sections of society, including the economically and educationally disadvantaged in both urban and rural areas, in the effort to eliminate such crimes.

According to Husseini, “We used every method we could think of to collect as many signatures as possible — the Internet, faxes, free and paid ads in newspapers, as well as TV and radio interviews. It was tremendously exciting; we carried the petitions with us wherever we went and whatever we did, and we always caused a stir… I frequently went with my friends…to restaurants where we approached diners…and many gladly signed as we chatted. Then we asked the waiters, waitresses, cooks, cleaners and managers. Outside one restaurant I bumped into a garbage collector who asked me what I was doing. Once I explained, he said, ‘Of course I will sign. This is against our religion'.” Husseini's mother, a librarian, asked everyone she came across wherever she went to sign the petition. In less than six months, the campaigners managed to collect 15,300 signatures from the general public (55 per cent male, 45 per cent female).

Of course, as she points out, the struggle against “honour killings” has to be home-grown because the nature and manifestation of the crime, the social, cultural, political and economic factors involved, and the legal context, are often distinct in the various places where it occurs, calling for different approaches in different societies. For example, in Jordan — and many other countries — “honour killings” are almost invariably crimes against women and girls. In India, although women are the primary targets, young men who ‘ dare' to transgress prescribed social boundaries are often not spared either.

Striking similarities

But there are similarities, too. According to Husseini, some influential and powerful people in Jordan, such as parliamentarians, judges, lawyers and policemen, believe that perpetrators of “honour killings” deserve leniency because everyone has the right to protect their family's honour. In India, Sushma (Tiwari) Nochil has had to seek a review of the Supreme Court's recent decision to commute to life imprisonment the death penalty awarded to her brother and his associates, who had murdered her husband and most members of his family. The judgment seemed to suggest that the patriarchal and casteist factors motivating the killers could be considered mitigating circumstances.

Likewise, if we have the Khap Mahapanchayat, they have the Islamic Action Front, the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan. If they have their conservative deputies, we have our regressive members of Parliament and, unfortunately, we both face “a great deal of apathy and laissez-faire from various parliamentarians.”

But here's an advantage they have that we don't. According to Husseini, several members of the Jordanian royal family signed the campaign petition; King Abdullah and Queen Raina have spoken out against so-called crimes of honour; Queen Noor has consistently fought to end violence against women in general and honour crimes in particular; the late King Hussein made a passionate plea in Parliament for an end to violence against women, besides pushing for changes in the laws offering leniency to perpetrators of honour killings; his brother, Prince Hassan, was one of the first royals to address the issue in the mid-1990s; two days after the legislative battle was lost in Parliament in 1999, Prince Ali (King Abdullah's brother) called for a public march to Parliament in protest against the deputies' decision to vote against the proposed amendments — and led it himself.

Monarchy may be passé in India but we have no dearth of modern-day royals in a number of fields such as politics, cinema, sports and business. Will they step up and speak out on an issue like murder in the name of honour?

Horrifying numbers

Honour killing is a somewhat misleading term for a ritualised form of murder precipitated by the aggressor's perceived loss of “honour.” The perpetrators are generally male and the victims most often female. Some sections of society consider such crimes understandable, if not justifiable.

There is no nationwide data on the prevalence of honour killing in India; the National Crime Records Bureau does not collect separate data on the crime since it is not yet separately classified under Indian law. However, according to the All India Democratic Women's Association (AIDWA) there were 103 cases of honour killings in Haryana alone within a period of four months in 2007. If that figure can be extrapolated to assume that the annual toll in the state is about 300, the total across the three states reporting the largest number of cases at the time (Haryana, Punjab and Uttar Pradesh) would be 900 per annum. If another 100-300 are added for the rest of the country, the figure for India would be about the same as estimates for Pakistan, which some researchers suggest has the highest per capita incidence of honour killings in the world.

Global phenomenon

This form of violence is a global phenomenon, prevalent in a number of countries. Ten years ago the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimated the annual world-wide number of “honour killing” victims at 5,000. But that is probably an underestimate since many cases go unreported, while many more are disguised as suicides, accidents and disappearances. Between 2000 and 2004 the UN General Assembly adopted three resolutions reflecting international commitment to working towards the elimination of crimes against women committed in the name of honour, with the third acknowledging that girls, too, are victims of such crimes.

Ancient claims

Gotra is a term applied to a clan, a group of families, or a lineage — exogamous and patrilineal — whose members trace their descent from a common male ancestor, usually a sage of ancient times. Believed to have begun to consolidate around 10-8 Century B.C., the present-day gotra classification is supposed to have been created from a core of eight rishis. Same-gotra marriages were declared legally valid by the Bombay High Court as far back as in 1945 in the Madhavrao vs. Raghavendrarao case involving a Deshastha Brahmin couple. Two reputed judges — Harilal Kania (who became the first Chief Justice of independent India) and P.B. Gajendragadkar (who went on to become the Chief Justice of India in the 1960s) — examined several court verdicts, consulted the writings of leading experts and quoted from Hindu scriptures in their ruling on whether a 'sagotra' (same-gotra) marriage was valid under Hindu law/custom. They concluded that it was.

Another link: The Hindu : Arts / Magazine : No honour in murder
 
I was wondering there is too much hue and cry about the honour killings in Pakistan and all members including some respective indian members actively participate in those discussions and i usually refrain creating such threads but there are some really good points that i wanted others to read (sorry did not highlight as there are too many)

Pardon me if anybody did not like this thread. I just copied from the website
 
I was wondering there is too much hue and cry about the honour killings in Pakistan and all members including some respective indian members actively participate in those discussions and i usually refrain creating such threads but there are some really good points that i wanted others to read (sorry did not highlight as there are too many)
You did the right thing. This is one of the many social evils which has gripped a part of Indian society in its vicious tentacles.

Fortunately, the Indian media makes every concerted attempt to expose any such killings and try to sway public opinion against the atrocity/social evil.

However, if you notice, this trend of "honor killing" is highly prevalent in populations residing in the Bihar/UP/Delhi/Rajasthan/Haryana/Punjab belt in India. One could also extrapolate that belt into Pakistan and you can get an idea of the type of people who practice this kind of "family honor"!
 
Over 1000 'honour killings' in India every year: experts


ISLAMABAD (July 05 2010): More than 1,000 young people in India have been killed every year owing to 'Honour Killings' linked to forced marriages and the country needs to introduce stringent legislation to deal firmly with the heinous crime, two legal experts have claimed.

Participating in International Child Abduction, Relocation and Forced Marriages Conference organised by the London Metropolitan University in London, Chandigarh-based legal experts Anil Malhotra and his brother Ranjit Malhotra have said that in traditional societies, honour killings are basically 'justified' as a sanction for 'dishonourable' behaviour, private news channel reported.

In a joint paper, they said: "Forced marriages and honour killings are often intertwined. Marriage can be forced to save honour, and women can be murdered for rejecting a forced marriage and marrying a partner of their own choice who is not acceptable for the family of the girl. They said in India, honour killings happen with regularity in Punjab, Haryana and western Uttar Pradesh.

"They happen not only within the Muslim community but also among Sikhs and Hindus." Though there was no nation-wide data on the prevalent of honour killings in India, they quoted figures compiled by the India Democratic Women's Association, according to which Haryana, Punjab and U P account for about 900 honour killings and another 100 to 300 in the rest of the country.

They said the ministries of home affairs and the law and justice are preparing to amend the Indian Penal Code (IPC) to define the act of "honour killing".

The demand for such a law was made repeatedly with the objective of stamping out this social evil.

"This aim is to provide for deterrent punishment for caste and community panchayats which should be booked for aiding and abetting such killings and as accomplices to the murder," they said.

They pointed out that the Supreme Court of India, concerned over the spate of recent 'Honour Killings' has asked the Centre and eight state governments to submit reports on the steps taken to prevent this barbaric practice.
 
Indian 'honour killings' up as young shun customs


NEW DELHI: The uncle was unrepentant about savagely killing his niece and her fiance who had the audacity to want to wed each other in defiance of Indian marriage traditions.

“I have no regrets and I would punish them all over again if given another chance,” the uncle, Om Prakash, told the news media after his arrest by New Delhi police, asserting he had acted to save the family honour.

Asha Saini, 19, and her 21-year-old boyfriend Yogesh Kumar were found stabbed to death in mid-June with their legs and arms bound and their bodies covered with electric shock burns.

The murders came amid a spurt in so-called “honour killings” of couples who seek their own partners, breaching deeply entrenched tradition which dictates that the parents decide who their children should wed.

Asha Saini's family believed it would bring dishonour if the girl, whose father was a prosperous vegetable wholesaler, married her boyfriend, a poor taxi driver. Even more importantly, the couple were from different Hindu castes.

Such “honour killings” have multiplied even among upwardly mobile social groups that are often considered less conservative as new conflicts emerge between generations, say experts.

“The number is rising because women are more educated, they feel they have the capacity to take their own decisions about their lives,” said Anand Kumar, a social studies professor at New Delhi's Jawarharlal Nehru University.

Last month, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh ordered a cabinet-level committee to look at imposing heavier punishments for “honour killings” which are most prevalent in India's northern states.

There are no official figures, but one independent survey cited by New York-based Human Rights Watch said 900 such murders occur a year in the northern states of Haryana, Punjab, and Uttar Pradesh alone.

Indian parents choose partners for their children most often for religious as well as financial reasons.

The rules are complicated and choosing to marry within the same sub-caste or outside of one's caste can both lead to a couple paying the ultimate price.

Weekend newspapers have supplements jammed with marriage ads specifying caste as one of the main sought-after attributes along with a good job and a “fair” complexion.

“The new generation faces a double challenge: it wants to eliminate the authority of the patriarchal family and reject the caste system,” said Kumar.

They want marriages “based upon love” - a concept which has become increasingly popular as India becomes more Westernised, Kumar adds.

In another case that has gained national attention, police are probing the death in April of Nirupama Pathak, 22, a journalist at a leading financial daily, the Business Standard, who wanted to marry a man of a caste lower than her own.

Pathak belonged to the Brahmin caste, the highest in the ancient Hindu hierarchy, while her fiance, a journalism classmate, came from a middle-upper caste called Kayastha.

Her death shocked India because she came from an educated and affluent family. Her father was a bank manager.

Just days after she returned home to northern Jharkhand state, she was discovered dead in her bedroom. Police said she was suffocated - the family initially insisted she was electrocuted, then said she committed suicide.

Police have arrested her mother on suspicion of murder.

“Nirupama took her decision to marry, even though she knew her parents would not agree,” said 23-year-old Deepthi Bathini, a close friend of the woman.

The director of the New Delhi-based women's rights group WomenPowerConnect, N. Hamsa, also says honour killings are rising because of “a clash of generations.”

"The young generation does not believe in the family (decision-making) structures because there are more opportunities -- more girls have the courage to make their own decision,” she said.

Cases of honour killings are also rife in rural areas, where village caste councils - “khap panchayats” - wield huge extra-legal powers.

While under the constitution people are free to wed whomever they choose, the councils often issue edicts against couples who marry outside their caste or religion and condemn marriages within a kinship group or “gotra” - considered incestuous even though there are no biological links.

In March, a court in Haryana state sentenced to death five people who had killed a young couple who had dared to wed despite being deemed “brother and sister” by village elders.

Underlining how hard it is to change tradition, when the court passed judgement, village councils in the region staged big protests and demanded that the government change the law to ban such marriages.

Nirupama's friend Deepthi Bathini believes “honour killings” must stop.

“For whose honour are they killing?” she said. “Every person must become aware of their rights and be able to defy these traditions.” – AFP
 
In India, Castes, Honor and Killings Intertwine
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A candlelight vigil in New Delhi in May, where supporters of Nirupama Pathak, a 22-year-old Hindu woman from eastern India, called for her death to be prosecuted as an honor killing.

KODERMA, India — When Nirupama Pathak left this remote mining region for graduate school in New Delhi, she seemed to be leaving the old India for the new. Her parents paid her tuition and did not resist when she wanted to choose her own career. But choosing a husband was another matter.

Her family was Brahmin, the highest Hindu caste, and when Ms. Pathak, 22, announced she was secretly engaged to a young man from a caste lower than hers, her family began pressing her to change her mind. They warned of social ostracism and accused her of defiling their religion.

Days after Ms. Pathak returned home in late April, she was found dead in her bedroom. The police have arrested her mother, Sudha Pathak, on suspicion of murder, while the family contends that the death was a suicide.

The postmortem report revealed another unexpected element to the case: Ms. Pathak was pregnant.


“One thing is absolutely clear,” said Prashant Bhushan, a social activist and lawyer now advising Ms. Pathak’s fiancé. “Her family was trying their level best to prevent her from marrying that boy. The pressure was such that either she was driven to suicide or she was killed.”

In India, where the tension between traditional and modern mores reverberates throughout society, Ms. Pathak’s death comes amid an apparent resurgence of so-called honor killings against couples who breach Hindu marriage traditions.


This week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh ordered a cabinet-level commission to consider tougher penalties in honor killings.

In June, India’s Supreme Court sent notices to seven Indian states, as well as to the national government, seeking responses about what was being done to address the problem.

The phenomenon of honor killings is most prevalent in some northern states, especially Haryana, where village caste councils, or khap panchayats, often operate as an extralegal morals police force, issuing edicts against couples who marry outside their caste or who marry within the same village — considered a religious violation since villages are often regarded as extended families.

Even as the court system has sought to curb these councils, politicians have hesitated, since the councils often control significant vote blocs in local elections.

New cases of killings or harassment appear in the Indian news media almost every week. Last month, the police arrested three men for the honor killings of a couple in New Delhi who had married outside their castes, as well as the murder of a woman who eloped with a man from another caste.


Two of the suspects are accused of murdering their sisters, and an uncle of the slain couple spoke of their murders as justifiable.

“What is wrong in it?” the uncle, Dharmaveer Nagar, told the Indian news media. “Murder is wrong, but this is socially the best thing that has been done.”


Intercaste marriages are protected under Indian law, yet social attitudes remain largely resistant. In a 2006 survey cited in a United Nations report, 76 percent of respondents deemed the practice unacceptable. An overwhelming majority of Hindu couples continue to marry within their castes, and newspapers are filled with marital advertisements in which parents, seeking to arrange a marriage for a son or daughter, specify caste among lists of desired attributes like profession and educational achievement.

“This is part and parcel of our culture, that you marry into your own caste,” said Dharmendra Pathak, the father of Ms. Pathak, during an interview in his home. “Every society has its own culture. Every society has its own traditions.”

Yet Indian society is also rapidly changing, with a new generation more likely to mix with people from different backgrounds as young people commingle on college campuses or in the workplace.

Ms. Pathak had studied journalism at the Indian Institute of Mass Communications in New Delhi before taking a job at a financial newspaper. At school, she had met Priyabhanshu Ranjan, a top student whose family was from a middle-upper caste, the Kayastha.

“The day I proposed, she said, ‘My family will not accept this. My family is very conservative,’ ” Mr. Ranjan recalled. “I used to try to convince her that once we got married, they would accept it.”

Ms. Pathak deliberated over the proposal for months before accepting in early 2009. Convinced her family would disapprove, she kept her engagement a secret for more than a year, until she learned that her father was interviewing prospective Brahmin grooms in New Delhi to arrange a marriage for her. Her parents were also renovating the family home for a wedding celebration.

Ms. Pathak called her oldest brother, Samarendra, who spent the next week trying to change her mind.
 
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“What I told her was that the decision you have taken — there is nothing wrong with it,” he said. “But the society we live in will not accept it. You can’t transform society in a day. It takes time.”

Officers escorted her mother, Sudha, on the left, inside a local police station. She was arrested on suspicion of murder. The family says that Nirupama Pathak’s death was a suicide.

When her father learned of the engagement, he wrote his daughter a letter and paid a surprise visit to New Delhi.

In the letter, the father acknowledged that such marriages were allowed under India’s Constitution, but argued that the Constitution had existed for only decades while Hindu religious beliefs dated back thousands of years.

At one point, Ms. Pathak’s mother called, crying, asking if they had wronged her in a past life.

The death of Ms. Pathak remains under investigation. Her body was discovered in her upstairs bedroom on the morning of April 29, while her mother was the only person at home. Initially, neighbors and family members said she had died from electrocution, but then later changed their story to say she had hanged herself. The police arrested the mother after the postmortem report concluded that Ms. Pathak had been suffocated.

But Ms. Pathak’s father and her two brothers have argued that the postmortem was flawed and claimed that her death had been a suicide. The family produced a suicide note and persuaded a local magistrate to order an investigation into Mr. Ranjan, the boyfriend — which his supporters have described as politically motivated.

Ms. Pathak’s pregnancy has also complicated the case. Mr. Ranjan said that he had been unaware of her condition, and her family told the police that they, too, had been unaware. But in an interview, the father and brothers changed their story, saying that Ms. Pathak confessed her pregnancy to her mother on the morning of her death.

For now, the case has polarized opinion. In Koderma, supporters of the Pathak family have rallied for the release of the mother from jail. In New Delhi, former classmates of Ms. Pathak and other supporters have held candlelight vigils, calling for the case to be prosecuted as an honor killing.

“This kind of the thing is increasing everywhere,” said Girija Vyas, a member of Parliament and the president of the National Commission of Women. “There should not be these things in the 21st century. These things must be stopped.”

Source for page 2: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/world/asia/10honor.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

There are some pics in the link as well
 
Honor killings are a bigger problem than terrorism in terms of deaths. There should be strict laws to tackle these things and punish the perpetrators. No liniency should be shown.
 
Honour killing: Farmer hacks daughter to death in Tamil Nadu
PTI, Aug 7, 2010, 09.34pm IST
Honour killing: Farmer hacks daughter to death in Tamil Nadu - India -

MADURAI: In an incident of honour killing, a farmer allegedly on Saturday hacked his daughter, who attempted to run away with her lover, to death and then killed his wife who tried to intervene at Nattarpatti village in Tirunelveli district of Tamil Nadu.

Police, who described the incident as honour killing, said the farmer Vinaitheerthan (63) had a heated exchange with his 21-year-old daughter Arunadevi when she was leaving home early this morning for eloping with her lover Devarajan, a mechanic, of the same area.

The farmer objected to their affair for the past two years and had warned his daughter against meeting Devarajan who reportedly belonged to another community.

Arunadevi got up at around 0400 hrs to run away with her lover but her father stopped her, leading to an altercation, police said.

Police said he then hacked her to death. When her mother tried to intervene, he attacked her with a pestle. Both the women died on the spot. The farmer later surrendered to the police who arrested him.

Read more: Honour killing: Farmer hacks daughter to death in Tamil Nadu - India - The Times of India Honour killing: Farmer hacks daughter to death in Tamil Nadu - India - The Times of India
 
I am waiting for all those who were jumping in thread 'honor killing in Pakistan'!!!!

But I am not surprised that they are quiet now! Speaks loads for the intentions and credibility of those posters... Specially Karan1970 and Ramu.
 
This is more of trolling.
Another way to :flame: against India.

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I am waiting for all those who were jumping in thread 'honor killing in Pakistan'!!!!

But I am not surprised that they are quiet now! Speaks loads for the intentions and credibility of those posters... Specially Karan1970 and Ramu.

Chill,
Taliban is doing something worse than the rare Honor killing in India.
:azn:
 
This is more of trolling.
Another way to :flame: against India.


Chill,
Taliban is doing something worse than the rare Honor killing in India.


There is nothing trolling in it.

We are no better than you in this social issue. Please do not take these incidents as rare. Here in our country people like you were shying away from admitting the prevalence of this evil practice here but thanks to our media which had played a big role in highlighting this social issue .


I feel that as now when media has taken up this issue in India, then now we are seeing that more and more such cases are taking place in India too.


Media is doing good thing by highlighting it
 
Chill,
Taliban is doing something worse than the rare Honor killing in India.
:azn:

Ah! so you think that above news articles are crap???? Amazing! closing your eyes will not solve your problems.
 
There is nothing trolling in it.

We are no better than you in this social issue. Please do not take these incidents as rare. Here in our country people like you were shying away from admitting the prevalence of this evil practice here but thanks to our media which had played a big role in highlighting this social issue .


I feel that as now when media has taken up this issue in India, then now we are seeing that more and more such cases are taking place in India too.


Media is doing good thing by highlighting it
Yes,the media is doing its part
But remember!,its MEDIA,never believe them.
:partay:
 
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