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The Real Space Race Is In Asia

Batmannow, I'll give you one more chance to re-read my post and understand it.

II my dear Flintlock; sir
i am sory, for my sense of humor, i guss you are the more wisser gentleman from india.:D
but, plz accept it CHINA is a real power, well INDIA is emerging itself for now?
 
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NASA's saturn 5 rocket can carry up to 47 tonnes (47000 Kg) to the moon, forget 8 to 10 tonnes.... but thing is that the technology used to build saturn 5 is bit too old..so new vehicle is required...........and it will take sometime .......

sorry i had not put my point correctly, I should also have pointed out the cost of per kilogram of launch. It is high if not too high. First some technological breakthrough has to come something like nuclear pulse engines or the AVATAR project, check these links:
Article: The Nuclear Space Age (part 1 of 2), by Paul Lucas
Propulsion
Project Orion: Its Life, Death, and Possible Rebirth

then the cost can be justified for such huge launches.
 
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sorry i had not put my point correctly, I should also have pointed out the cost of per kilogram of launch. It is high if not too high. First some technological breakthrough has to come something like nuclear pulse engines or the AVATAR project, check these links:
Article: The Nuclear Space Age (part 1 of 2), by Paul Lucas
Propulsion
Project Orion: Its Life, Death, and Possible Rebirth

then the cost can be justified for such huge launches.

well the cost per Kg is going to remain same i.e. 20000 to 26000 $/kg for NASA's moon program as they are going to use same conventional rocket for the mission...accourding to NASA's website the launch vehicle is based apon the same vehicle used for appolo mission, the only deference between them is the new vehicle will have better payload capacity then saturn 5. The vehicle is going to be operationalised after 2011 and the first manned moon mission is going to take place in 2018. and they are expecting 2 moon mission per year.

there are also some concerned regarding the safety of the nuclear propulsion system. This project was banned after the 1963 partial test ban treaty as it requres the repeated nuclear bomb explosion in mid air in the atmosphere. dont know anything about the current status of the project
 
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The point is that how much equipment need to be supplied for sustaining a base and for how many people. I am not saying it is impossible to do. I am saying about budgetary constraint.
 
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NASA to unveil plan for moon mission in 2018
White House officials briefed on $100 billion proposal

NASA to unveil plan for 2018 moon mission - Space.com - MSNBC.com
WASHINGTON - NASA briefed senior White House officials Wednesday on its plan to spend $100 billion and the next 12 years building the spacecraft and rockets it needs to put humans back on the Moon by 2018.

The U.S. space agency now expects to roll out its lunar exploration plan to key Congressional committees on Friday and to the broader public through a news conference on Monday, Washington sources tell SPACE.com.

U.S. President George W. Bush called in January 2004 for the United States to return to the Moon by 2020 as the first major step in a broader space exploration vision aimed at extending the human presence throughout the solar system.


NASA has been working intensely since April on an exploration plan that entails building an 18-foot (5.5-meter) blunt body crew capsule and launchers built from major space shuttle components including the main engines, solid rocket boosters and massive external fuel tanks.

That plan, called the Exploration Systems Architecture Study, was presented by NASA Administrator Mike Griffin, his space operations chief Bill Gerstenmaier and several other senior agency officials Wednesday afternoon to senior White House policy officials, including an advisor to U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney and the president’s Deputy National Security Advisor J.D. Crouch.

NASA’s plan, according to briefing charts obtained by SPACE.com, envisions beginning a sustained lunar exploration campaign in 2018 by landing four astronauts on the Moon for a seven-day stay.

The expedition would begin, these charts show, by launching the lunar lander and Earth departure stage (essentially a giant propulsion module) on a heavy-lift launch vehicle that would be lifted into orbit by five space shuttle main engines and a pair of five-segment shuttle solid rocket boosters.

Once the Earth departure stage and lunar lander are safely in orbit, NASA would launch the Crew Exploration Vehicle capsule atop a new launcher built from a four-segment shuttle solid rocket booster and an upper stage powered by a single space shuttle main engine.

The CEV would then dock with the lunar lander and Earth departure stage and begin its several day journey to the moon.

NASA’s plan envisions being able to land four-person human crews anywhere on the Moon’s surface and to eventually use the system to transport crew members to and from a lunar outpost that it would consider building on the lunar south pole, according to the charts, because of the regions elevated quantities of hydrogen and possibly water ice.

One of NASA’s reasons for going back to the moon is to demonstrate that astronauts can essentially “live off the land” by using lunar resources to produce potable water, fuel and other valuable commodities. Such capabilities are considered extremely important to human expeditions to Mars which, because of the distances involved, would be much longer missions entailing a minimum of 500 days spent on the planet’s surface.

NASA’s Crew Exploration Vehicle is expected to cost $5.5 billion to develop, according to government and industry sources, and the Crew Launch Vehicle another $4.5 billion. The heavy-lift launcher, which would be capable of lofting 125 metric tons of payload, is expected to cost more than $5 billion but less than $10 billion to develop, according to these sources.

NASA’s plan also calls for using the Crew Exploration Vehicle, equipped with as many as six seats, to transport astronauts to and from the international space station. An unmanned version of the Crew Exploration Vehicle could be used to deliver a limited amount of cargo to the space station.

NASA would like to field the Crew Exploration Vehicle by 2011, or within a year of when it plans to fly the space shuttle for the last time. Development of the heavy lift launcher, lunar lander and Earth departure stage would begin in 2011. By that time, according to NASA’s charts, the space agency would expect to be spending $7 billion a year on its exploration efforts, a figure projected to grow to more than $15 billion a year by 2018, that date NASA has targeted for its first human lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972.
 
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My point is only that about the viability of such project. 100 billion dollar is a hefty amount to ask for. But any way good only. Best of luck for such endeavor.
 
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My point is only that about the viability of such project. 100 billion dollar is a hefty amount to ask for. But any way good only. Best of luck for such endeavor.
well you are right but in 60s and 70s lots of people were asking the same questions regarding the moon mission......and in 80s and 90s people were asking the same questioin regarding the international space station project whose budget was also $100 billion.
anyway my point is NASA is going to build the space base on moon which is going to be used for future deep space exploration..... probably to reduse the budget of the same mission launched from the earth space station.
 
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in addition, if we start lunar mining, the helium 3 will be worth all the expense.

yes it is an advantage but the cost of He3 wont be viable unless we find a cheaper way to bring the He3 from moon to the earth.
 
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China: First Spacewalk Planned
By EDWARD WONG
Published: September 23, 2008

China’s Shenzhou 7 spacecraft, carrying three astronauts, is ready to be launched after having passed a final check, the state news agency, Xinhua, reported on Tuesday. The launching, from the Jiuquan space center, left, in Gansu Province, a vast barren region in western China, was expected to occur between Thursday and next Tuesday, the news agency reported. This will be China’s third manned space mission, and one of the astronauts is expected to perform China’s first spacewalk
:enjoy: GOOD LUCK china:D:tup::smitten::china:
 
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Thanks batmannow, it'll be at 9:00pm tomorrow night. (11:00pm 25 sep. Islamabad time)
 
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I don't think China wants to go for a race, it is a natural way of evolution to its current status. It is India that, for some odd reason, feels the pressure.

It reminds me how the word lunatic is derived.
 
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I don't think China wants to go for a race, it is a natural way of evolution to its current status. It is India that, for some odd reason, feels the pressure.

It reminds me how the word lunatic is derived.

That's strange, because China's actions speak of a mad desperation to catch up with the western world in terms of space technology, fueled by ultranationalism and the desire to have the biggest phallus.

Some excerpts from : The New Space Race: China vs. US - TIME

And the two countries are already in the early stages of a new space race that appears to have some of the heat and skullduggery of the one between Washington and Moscow during the Cold War, when space was a proxy battleground for geopolitical dominance.

On Monday, the U.S. Department of Justice announced the indictment of a former Boeing engineer for passing sensitive information about the U.S. space program to the Chinese government. According to the indictment, Dongfan Chung, a 72-year-old California man who worked for Boeing until September 2006, gave China documents relating to military aircraft and rocket technology, as well as technical information about the U.S. Space Shuttle.

The scale of Chung's alleged espionage is startling. According to the Justice Department, Chung may have been providing trade secrets to Chinese aerospace companies and government agents since 1979, when he was an engineer at Rockwell International, a company acquired by Boeing in 1996.

China's manned space program, codenamed Project 921, is indeed a matter of considerable national pride for a country that sees space exploration as confirmation of superpower status.

But there may be more at stake than national honor. Some analysts say that China's attempts to access American space technology are less about boosting its space program than upgrading its military. China is already focusing on space as a potential battlefield

In 2005, a Chinese military officer wrote in the book Joint Space War Campaigns, put out by the National Defense University, that a "shock and awe strike" on satellites "will shake the structure of the opponent's operations system of organization and will create huge psychological impact on the opponent's policymakers."
 
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