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The Real Space Race Is In Asia

Then why is it that only the indians and the chinese are the only ones going for it? the europeans, americans, japanese and russians all have the resources and the technology to participate in this race.

Japanese space agency is also planning a manned moon mission ........In fact last year they have launched a probe on moon.Japan launches biggest moon mission since Apollo landings | Science | The Guardian


as far as Russia is concerned ..... India and Russia both have signed a joint agreement to send a probe on moon......

and Malay has already told about American and European space program
 
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Then why is it that only the indians and the chinese are the only ones going for it? the europeans, americans, japanese and russians all have the resources and the technology to participate in this race.


Mr. SU-47, Russia is the one that started the race because they are more interested in Helium-3, then other countries join in the race after. Regarding the answer of Why America and Russia could go tommorrow to moon, since they have already been there. They are the two countries that have made the deadline for year 2020, and other countries are trying to achieve US and Russia deadline.

This deadline and mission is pre-dominatly for replacement of nuclear energy. I have heard or read that 1-ton of Helium-3 can provide energy for city of bombay for 1 year.

Here is a Documentary for the race to the moon and to chase for Helium-3, enjoy:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3931004440707682179
 
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^^Thanks Nitesh! But 2024 is a long time away :frown:Why can't they make one sooner?
 
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^^Thanks Nitesh! But 2024 is a long time away :frown:Why can't they make one sooner?

Nope I think it is more to do with the lift capacity of the launchers max capacity is something like 8-10 tons which I feel is less as compared to the sheer amount of equipments that will be needed there. I strongly feel that there should be international co operation in this area. like all countries lifting the equipments there at same time this will put less burden on individual economies too. Some thing like they are doing in chandrayan.
 
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Nope I think it is more to do with the lift capacity of the launchers max capacity is something like 8-10 tons which I feel is less as compared to the sheer amount of equipments that will be needed there. I strongly feel that there should be international co operation in this area. like all countries lifting the equipments there at same time this will put less burden on individual economies too. Some thing like they are doing in chandrayan.

NASA's saturn 5 rocket can carry up to 47 tonnes (47000 Kg) to the moon, forget 8 to 10 tonnes.... but thing is that the technology used to build saturn 5 is bit too old..so new vehicle is required...........and it will take sometime .......
here is an FAQ on NASA's website .this will give you some Idea
NASA - What is the Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV)?
Q:What is the Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV)?09.19.05 The CEV is America’s new spacecraft for human space exploration.
A:It will be able to ferry crews of three astronauts (plus additional cargo) to and from the International Space Station, but has the capability to carry as many as six crew members. It will take four crewmembers to lunar orbit, and even return up to six crewmembers to Earth on the final leg of a human Mars mission.

Q:Why are we going back to the moon?
Returning to the moon is an important component of the President's Vision for Space Exploration.

The moon also provides opportunities to develop technologies and techniques needed for opening the space frontier. It allows us to learn how to survive long term stays on other worlds while only three days travel time from Earth. This will build confidence that we can stay on the surface of another planet for longer periods of time and ultimately venture to Mars. And of course, it provides opportunities to conduct fundamental science such as astrobiology and geology.

Q:What are we going to do on the moon?

We will learn more about the art of exploration on the moon. Since the last Apollo mission there, robotic missions have raised intriguing new science questions, such as the character of the water ice in the permanently shadowed craters near the lunar poles. So there is new fundamental science to be performed. More so, we will be learning to live on the new frontier - we'll be learning how to "live off the land" by making oxygen and rocket propellants from the local materials, and we'll be testing new technologies and operations that will allow us to travel on to Mars and then beyond.

Q:Why don't we fly the shuttle to the moon?
The space shuttle is not designed for use beyond low-Earth orbit. Wings are not necessary. There are several issues that prevent the use of the space shuttle for lunar exploration. To escape the Earth's gravity, any spacecraft must attain a speed of more than 17,500 mph. The shuttle is designed for re-entry from an Earth orbital speed of 17,500 mph, not the 25,000 mph speed of a moon mission. Entering the Earth's atmosphere at this high speed would destroy the shuttle because it would exceed the wing and fuselage load limits. Currently, there is no thermal protection system that would protect the wings from such a high heat load.

Q:Why don't we explore the moon with robotic missions (like we explore Mars)?

NASA has explored the moon using robotic spacecraft, and we plan to continue to use robotic spacecraft to collect lunar data enabling human scientists to return to its surface. Science is just one reason for returning humans to the moon. The primary reason is that the moon provides opportunities to develop technologies and techniques needed for opening the space frontier. It allows us to learn how to survive long term stays on other worlds while only three days travel time from Earth. This will build confidence that we can stay on the surface of another planet for longer periods of time and ultimately venture to Mars and beyond.

Q:Won't human exploration hurt/ cut into science?
NASA's human exploration plans will not impact the Science Mission Directorate's budget, but the human exploration program will engage more sophisticated science.

Q:Why did NASA decide on a capsule design rather than a space plane or space shuttle style spacecraft?

A capsule has many advantages over the two other designs including:
Safest, most reliable and affordable approach to meeting crew transportation requirements for exploration missions
The capsule shape allows the main thermal protection system for reentry, the heat shield, to be protected (covered by the service module) until it is needed for reentry, unlike winged vehicles whose thermal protective system is exposed for ascent and on orbit.
The capsule shape is more stable aerodynamically for entry for both nominal auto guided entries and emergency abort entries.
Easier to integrate a launch escape tower.
Q:How can NASA claim this is a new spacecraft, it looks like an Apollo era capsule?

The shape of the spacecraft is a product of physics. The science of space flight hasn’t changed since we started sending humans into space. This is a high tech design that combines the very best of Apollo and the space shuttle. Blunt-body, conical spacecraft simply provide the safest, most economical means of transporting crews to and from space.

Although it may have an Apollo shape, the new spacecraft will have significant advances including:
1.The safest most efficient shape for going beyond low Earth orbit
2.Modern day materials and manufacturing processes
3.Advanced avionics
4.Computers and the experience gained from 40 years of human space flight
Increased volume. It can carry more crew and cargo.
5.Improved operational efficiency and overall capability in a vehicle shaped much like the original Apollo capsule
Q:How and where will the spacecraft land?
Unlike Apollo, the new spacecraft will be able to return to Earth and parachute safely to a ground landing, which makes recovery easier and more affordable. However, if necessary, water recovery is also an option. Preliminary landing sites include Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., Carson Flats, Nev., and Moses Lake, Wash.

Q:How many spacecraft will be built and how many times can they be reused?

Research indicates each spacecraft can be flown up to 10 flights. Multiple spacecraft will be built, which may be all or partially reusable. The flight schedule will determine how many vehicles need to be built.

Q:What type of launch vehicle will carry the Crew Exploration Vehicle into low-Earth orbit?
A Crew Launch Vehicle (CLV) consisting of a solid rocket booster and a space shuttle main engine driven upper stage will carry the spacecraft into orbit. The CLV can carry a payload of 25 metric tons into low Earth orbit (LEO).

Q:Why was “shuttle derived” selected as the primary choice for the Crew Launch Vehicle, especially with the CAIB chairman Admiral Gehman and the NASA Administrator saying that the shuttle is a complex experimental spacecraft that will never be safe?
Developing a system derived from the most reliable elements of the space shuttle—the solid rocket booster and the main engines-- is the safest, most reliable, and most affordable means of meeting low-Earth orbit crew requirements. Shuttle derived refers specifically to the shuttle's solid rocket boosters and main engines not the space shuttle. We are retiring the shuttle orbiter, not the solid rocket boosters or the main engines.

Once the space shuttle is retired, we will still need heavy lift capabilities to space. Future lunar missions will require significantly greater payload to LEO than provided by the space shuttle. However, a shuttle derived heavy lift launch vehicle could lift 125 metric tons to LEO.

Also, the new spacecraft will provide its crew with a launch escape capability, something that the space shuttle does not have which, combined with its inline design, makes the new vehicle 10 times safer than the shuttle for ascent, according to NASA engineers.

Q:When will the crew launch vehicle be available for integration with the new spacecraft? Wasn't NASA's plan to have the new spacecraft ready when the shuttle retired in 2010 allowing NASA continuous access to space?
We are working to make the new spacecraft operational by 2011, minimizing any gap in human space flight. The original proposal called for the CEV to be ready in 2014, which reflects the vision statement.

Q:Where on the moon is NASA thinking about establishing an outpost?
We will make this decision after we conduct robotic reconnaissance missions of the lunar surface; produce a three-dimensional high resolution map; find and characterize lunar surface resources: and identify potential landing site hazards. Currently, the lunar south pole is a candidate for an outpost site based on its combined science and resource (water ice) potential. We are also consulting with lunar scientists to find the best possible landing spots for science.
 
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^^Thanks Nitesh! But 2024 is a long time away :frown:Why can't they make one sooner?

My, Dear Flintlock; sir
i guss, its the realistic target(2024).
As Nathoo Lal and his brown cow went to rescue the flood effected peopl's in bihar, the simple reason is real natral disasters & the huge hunger which, India posess.it would be very cool, if Indian govt. spent the budget of its space programe on the hunger of poor indians.:D:tup:
 
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My, Dear Flintlock; sir
i guss, its the realistic target(2024).
As Nathoo Lal and his brown cow went to rescue the flood effected peopl's in bihar, the simple reason is real natral disasters & the huge hunger which, India posess.it would be very cool, if Indian govt. spent the budget of its space programe on the hunger of poor indians.:D:tup:
Mr Batmannow
1)He was talking about US program not Indian......
2)you are talking as if you country is richest in the world
3)As far as GOI spending is conserned....it spends around $1billion and 80 to 90% budget is covered by selling and leasing various products of ISRO to other countries e.g satelite pictures wether information transponders of ISRO's satelites and many more....and bringing precious foreign exchange to the country and having this technological capabilities India does not have waste its precious foriegn exchange like you guys have to do to get the setelite base services and information........
 
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other benefits: 1)It has created thousands of hightech JOB
2)does not have to rely on the other selfish countries
3)and the Most importent thing is National pride........
 
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Mr Batmannow
1)He was talking about US program not Indian......
2)you are talking as if you country is richest in the world
3)As far as GOI spending is conserned....it spends around $1billion and 80 to 90% budget is covered by selling and leasing various products of ISRO to other countries e.g satelite pictures wether information transponders of ISRO's satelites and many more....and bringing precious foreign exchange to the country and having this technological capabilities India does not have waste its precious foriegn exchange like you guys have to do to get the setelite base services and information........

Dear Marshal; sir
And what about ,Nathoo lal and his cow, rescueing flood victims in bihar, why not to spend, your precious forieghn exchange on these poor victims, specialy when BBC is runing, the flood story, of the poor indians , who were let on thier own in the rough, weather.:lol:
Is India became another US state, what india has to do with US space programe?
plz, wake the poor indian nation up, cause its time to think for thier hunger!:tsk::lol:
 
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in addition, if we start lunar mining, the helium 3 will be worth all the expense.
 
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other benefits: 1)It has created thousands of hightech JOB
2)does not have to rely on the other selfish countries
3)and the Most importent thing is National pride........

Well, you are going good sir!
1. hightech jobs= nathoo lal & his cow? & lots of begers in every city of india?
2.USA=selfish countries?
3.national pride= Baburi mosque, bihar floods, attrocities against, christians, muslims, lower class hindus, kashmiris? very cool:D:lol::tsk:
 
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My, Dear Flintlock; sir
i guss, its the realistic target(2024).
As Nathoo Lal and his brown cow went to rescue the flood effected peopl's in bihar, the simple reason is real natral disasters & the huge hunger which, India posess.it would be very cool, if Indian govt. spent the budget of its space programe on the hunger of poor indians.:D:tup:

Hmm....not sure of Nathuu Lal migrated to the USA.

Now you may stop trolling.
 
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Hmm....not sure of Nathuu Lal migrated to the USA.

Now you may stop trolling.

Dear Flintlock; sir
plz, let me pardon to speak, that its not trolling at all, as most of well educated , & well off indians thinks in the same direction as it was posted in this thread, but it is brutal, & if you look at indian majority of poor peopl's. i guss, it is your national duty to help these poor ones in india at frist, i guss its more important than these sort of hollywood adventures type programes?:tsk::cry::disagree:
 
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Dear Flintlock; sir
plz, let me pardon to speak, that its not trolling at all, as most of well educated , & well off indians thinks in the same direction as it was posted in this thread, but it is brutal, & if you look at indian majority of poor peopl's. i guss, it is your national duty to help these poor ones in india at frist, i guss its more important than these sort of hollywood adventures type programes?:tsk::cry::disagree:

Batmannow, I'll give you one more chance to re-read my post and understand it.
 
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