The racial reckoning comes

[YeBeWarned]

USA has bases around the world because we have mutual defense treaties with 50+ countries.

At least you gotta admit that US does have intention to expend its influence and territory .

I will agree with you if some of the neo-Nazis gain power they pose a threat to world peace. the truth is that they are far away from corridors of power. Do not call Trump a neo-Nazi because he isn't. He may be racist, racially insensitive or a demagogue. We can argue whether Trump is worse than an open Neo-Nazi.

if by Neo Nazi you mean people like Duke of KKK , of course they cant come to power because its impossible to lead a country with lots of non white people . Trump is Racist , he may not be a Neo Nazi but he endorse them , he enpowers them, In fact a lot of these Neo Nazi's openly hail Trump as some who gave them representation , people like Steve Banon were with Trump who are openly Neo Nazi's , and the Neo Nazi's don't necessarily means to be in Power to be a threat , Once they feel Powerful enough to act against their enemies they will , young kids were taught to hate different races , S.Carolina Church shooter and NZ mosque shooter was prime example of that.

How i see it that History is repeating itself but this time White People ( Neo Nazi ) replace Muslims , in fact there is a lot similarities between the situations post 9/11 of Muslims who first attack America and those Neo Nazi's who are Attacking Muslims ..
OBL was pissed about Americans in KSA, despite his warnings of Americans to go away he finally had enough to Attack America , now Neo Nazi's see Muslims as threat, and despite them constantly Asking to kick all Muslims out Pakistan , if that won't happen their Frustration will increase and so will the Attacks on Mosques and Random Muslims . Of course these NN wont go out and do Suicide bombings , but mass shootings is something which is very easy to pulled in USA ( Gun Problem in US ) .

When I say White Supremacists are Global threat, I did not mean the whole White people , my Wife is white along with whole her family they accept me ( A Brown & Muslim Guy ) . I am concerned about those crazy White Supremacist crazies who have access to Rifles and they hate Immigrants , Muslims , Blacks or Latino .. S.C Church Shooter and NZ mosque shooter , Norway ( Oslo ) shooter was some of the examples to look through , and now these people are feeling much more Powerful and entitled to attack, Look at the Political setup in EU, the Nationalist Parties whom doesn't even get enough votes to win a single seat now winning a whole lot of seats and getting thousands of votes .. Germany , NL , France , UK , Denmark , Serbia , Poland ..

The world is changing fast friend, and so does the threat ..

I dont freaking understand why Pakistanis in Pakistan who are nuts about getting visas to the ebil west are complaining about issues in the USA I know the problems here better than most folks here I am not saying the US is gonna fall soon but we are now seeing the polarization of the west thanks to bad policies done by western leaders one of them was multiculturalism neo liberalism,materialism,and degenerate ideals spreading all over

So by your Logic, No American should share his/her opinion over Situation in Pakistan as well right ? just because people are mentioning the issues in US doesn't mean they hate the whole Country or People, I personally don't hate America or Americans , I just don't like their Policies , and white Supremacists/Neo Nazi's . If you were so against Multiculturalism than you should ask your parents to go back to whichever country they come to America and gave birth to you hence you become America and now been a bigot about Multiculturalism .

 

[nahtanbob]

At least you gotta admit that US does have intention to expend its influence and territory .

if by Neo Nazi you mean people like Duke of KKK , of course they cant come to power because its impossible to lead a country with lots of non white people . Trump is Racist , he may not be a Neo Nazi but he endorse them , he enpowers them, In fact a lot of these Neo Nazi's openly hail Trump as some who gave them representation , people like Steve Banon were with Trump who are openly Neo Nazi's , and the Neo Nazi's don't necessarily means to be in Power to be a threat , Once they feel Powerful enough to act against their enemies they will , young kids were taught to hate different races , S.Carolina Church shooter and NZ mosque shooter was prime example of that.

How i see it that History is repeating itself but this time White People ( Neo Nazi ) replace Muslims , in fact there is a lot similarities between the situations post 9/11 of Muslims who first attack America and those Neo Nazi's who are Attacking Muslims ..

OBL was pissed about Americans in KSA, despite his warnings of Americans to go away he finally had enough to Attack America , now Neo Nazi's see Muslims as threat, and despite them constantly Asking to kick all Muslims out Pakistan , if that won't happen their Frustration will increase and so will the Attacks on Mosques and Random Muslims . Of course these NN wont go out and do Suicide bombings , but mass shootings is something which is very easy to pulled in USA ( Gun Problem in US ) .

When I say White Supremacists are Global threat, I did not mean the whole White people , my Wife is white along with whole her family they accept me ( A Brown & Muslim Guy ) . I am concerned about those crazy White Supremacist crazies who have access to Rifles and they hate Immigrants , Muslims , Blacks or Latino .. S.C Church Shooter and NZ mosque shooter , Norway ( Oslo ) shooter was some of the examples to look through , and now these people are feeling much more Powerful and entitled to attack, Look at the Political setup in EU, the Nationalist Parties whom doesn't even get enough votes to win a single seat now winning a whole lot of seats and getting thousands of votes .. Germany , NL , France , UK , Denmark , Serbia , Poland ..

The world is changing fast friend, and so does the threat ..



So by your Logic, No American should share his/her opinion over Situation in Pakistan as well right ? just because people are mentioning the issues in US doesn't mean they hate the whole Country or People, I personally don't hate America or Americans , I just don't like their Policies , and white Supremacists/Neo Nazi's . If you were so against Multiculturalism than you should ask your parents to go back to whichever country they come to America and gave birth to you hence you become America and now been a bigot about Multiculturalism .

USA is done with territorial expansion. Ask the 50+ states who have a security alliance with USA about American influence.

Whites are in majority in USA - still 65% of the population. It is possible to have a white nationalist party in power if 70-80% of Whites vote for one.

There are 30 million White Americans with firearm ownership. You want to judge 30 million of them based on the actions of a few. There have been fewer than 50 mass shootings in the past 30 years. A Bangladeshi immigrant went off the rails in a guy club killing close to 50 people.

David Dukes, Steve Bannons have a hard time retaining political power

The Nationalist parties in Europe do not like Muslim and African immigrants. Everyone has their preferences. Why is it okay for Pakistani Muslims to ask for a homeland of their own without Hindus influence ? On the other hand Germans cannot have a German land without foreign migrants. I hope you see the irony

 

[Desert Fox]

Why is it okay for Pakistani Muslims to ask for a homeland of their own without Hindus influence ? On the other hand Germans cannot have a German land without foreign migrants.

"Multiculturalism for thee but not for me"

 

[-=virus=-]

When I was a boy I was taught a certain story about America. This was the land of opportunity. Immigrants came to this land and found an open field and a fair chance to pursue their dreams. In this story Benjamin Franklin could be held up as the quintessential American — the young hustler, who through his ingenuity and dogged self-improvement created new businesses and communities, a new sort of person and a new sort of country.

This was a unifying national story. When it dominated, politics was over which party could offer the most opportunity.

But that story has been challenged over the years, most compellingly by the people we used to call multiculturalists. The Ben Franklin story, they point out, doesn’t include the Native American or African-American experience; it doesn’t take into account the ways America has not really offered a fair chance to many of its people.

The multicultural story gradually began to rival the Ben Franklin story, especially in schools. Over the past two years it has almost entirely eclipsed it in many parts of our society.

I realized this while reading my friend and colleague Eric Liu’s new book, “Become America.” Eric’s organisation Citizen University hosts regular gatherings called “Civic Saturdays.” These look like church or synagogue services, but the object of veneration is America. How can we tell our story? How can we be good citizens? What rituals embody our civic creed?

Eric gives sermons in the middle of these sessions, and the book is a collection of sermons delivered between November 2016 and August 2018 — nearly the first two years of the Trump era. The collection is like a penetrating time-lapse movie of the American mind over that period.

Eric is an enlightened Seattle progressive but with a reconciling, loving temperament. His hero is Abraham Lincoln and his goal is to heal a divided nation. In the early sermons, just after Donald Trump’s victory, Eric is torn — he wants to empathize with Trump voters but also to judge them harshly. But, overall, the emphasis is on humbly understanding global populism.

Then came Charlottesville, the outrages at the southern border. As the months go by, Eric’s attention turns more to race. Trump is no longer seen as a historic aberration, but the embodiment of white supremacy that has always been near the core of the American experience. He is the modern-day John Calhoun, just as mass incarceration is the modern-day Jim Crow.

Eric is not alone in his shift in emphasis. As Zach Goldberg points out in Tablet, over the past several years there has been a sharp shift in opinion, especially among white progressives, on all subjects racial. For most of the latter half of the 20th century, for example, about 10% of white liberals supported increased immigration; now it’s 50%. As Goldberg writes, African-Americans are actually less progressive on these issues than white liberals.

Both Trumpists and their opponents have also de-emphasized the Ben Franklin narrative and embraced narratives that put race at the centre. Trump’s narrative is: We real Americans (white) have to protect our culture from the alien (brown) who would weaken it.

The opposing narrative is something like this: America began with a crime — stealing the land from Native Americans. It continued with an atrocity, slavery. The American story is the conflict between oppressors who seek to preserve white supremacy and people who seek to move beyond it. The essential American struggle is to confront the national sin, have a racial reckoning and then seek reconciliation.

“A religion provides a moral framework for choice and an ethical standard for action,” Eric writes. Both these narratives have taken on the qualities of a civic religion.

As many writers have noted, in the progressive account, racism has the exact same structure as John Calvin’s conception of original sin. It is a corrupting group inheritance, a shared guilt that pervades everything — it is in the structures of our society and the invisible crannies of our minds.

I don’t know about you, but I walk into this next chapter of American life with a sense of hopefulness and yet great fear. America needs to have a moment of racial reconciliation. History has thrown this task upon us.

But we Americans are not at our best when we launch off on holy wars. Once you start assigning guilt to groups, rather than to individuals, bad, illiberal things are likely to happen. There’s a lot of over-generalized group accusation in both these narratives.

I’m haunted by that sentence in Lincoln’s second inaugural: “And the war came.” Nobody wanted it, but it came. Eric’s great contribution is to show how to mix conviction on racial matters with humility and gentleness. Moreover, he is always pushing toward an American creed that moves beyond both the white mono-culture and the fracturing multiculturalism. He is always pushing toward a national story large enough to contain all the hybrid voices.

Somewhere in America a young artist is writing that story, that new vision that will serve as a beacon to draw us all onward.

© 2019 New York Times News Service

Who is the Asian looking man ? He doesn't appear in the original NYT opinion piece.

Some David Brooks wrote it.

 

[nahtanbob]

Who is the Asian looking man ? He doesn't appear in the original NYT opinion piece.

Some David Brooks wrote it.

David Brooks is a nice intelligent fellow. You do not have to agree with him always. Asian looking guy is there in the article. He is not the author.

Of course for some Asian looking guy is what we call "Fake News"

 

[YeBeWarned]

USA is done with territorial expansion. Ask the 50+ states who have a security alliance with USA about American influence.

Well America has enough influence to not leave these countries alone, Germany and Japan are two primary example ..

There are 30 million White Americans with firearm ownership. You want to judge 30 million of them based on the actions of a few. There have been fewer than 50 mass shootings in the past 30 years. A Bangladeshi immigrant went off the rails in a guy club killing close to 50 people.

I agree , and I am not judging the whole White people I hope you know that, but would you also agree that blaming 1.7 billion Muslims for some 10,000 Active Jihadi is also wrong .. and recent White Supremacists Attacks on Muslims are based on that who Idea that Muslims are their enemy and out to kill them .
And I think that Guy who slaughter those innocent Gay people was an Afghan not a Bangladeshi .

The Nationalist parties in Europe do not like Muslim and African immigrants. Everyone has their preferences. Why is it okay for Pakistani Muslims to ask for a homeland of their own without Hindus influence ? On the other hand Germans cannot have a German land without foreign migrants. I hope you see the irony

Pakistan was build because Muslims were under the influence of Hindu's and if you check what is happening with Muslims in India you would say Jinnah was right all along, as for Hindu's in Pakistan they have representation same as US congress has very tiny ( few ) representations of Muslims . Germans can block immigrants all they want no one is forcing them to, but if you want Germany to be only for White Germans, than also stay the hell away from Muslims Lands too .. Will America leave Muslim countries alone ? and stop using Drones , invading and all that ? America can't even let go of a lost war in Afghanistan , that speaks a lot my friend .. America is not Perfect never was and never will be .

 

[nahtanbob]

Well America has enough influence to not leave these countries alone, Germany and Japan are two primary example ..



I agree , and I am not judging the whole White people I hope you know that, but would you also agree that blaming 1.7 billion Muslims for some 10,000 Active Jihadi is also wrong .. and recent White Supremacists Attacks on Muslims are based on that who Idea that Muslims are their enemy and out to kill them .
And I think that Guy who slaughter those innocent Gay people was an Afghan not a Bangladeshi .



Pakistan was build because Muslims were under the influence of Hindu's and if you check what is happening with Muslims in India you would say Jinnah was right all along, as for Hindu's in Pakistan they have representation same as US congress has very tiny ( few ) representations of Muslims . Germans can block immigrants all they want no one is forcing them to, but if you want Germany to be only for White Germans, than also stay the hell away from Muslims Lands too .. Will America leave Muslim countries alone ? and stop using Drones , invading and all that ? America can't even let go of a lost war in Afghanistan , that speaks a lot my friend .. America is not Perfect never was and never will be .

Japan and Germany are independent countries. They are subject to some restrictions - no nukes. Beyond that they are free.

significant portions of the 1.7 billion Muslims are responsible for not putting down the Jihadi menance. Pakistan can be singled out as part of the significant portion

What is a Muslim land ? There is nothing called Muslim land. There are 50+ Muslim states. Some of them like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE have chosen to conclude security agreements with USA. It is their right to do so

 

[YeBeWarned]

Japan and Germany are independent countries. They are subject to some restrictions - no nukes. Beyond that they are free.

Define Freedom, Can they get rid of American Troops ? Can they get Nukes ? can they build up their Military to a large extent ?

significant portions of the 1.7 billion Muslims are responsible for not putting down the Jihadi menance. Pakistan can be singled out as part of the significant portion

If you go by the % , A lot of White People are neo Nazi and want to murder Muslims , Black and Latino , like a lot of them , and if you are getting the % of 1.7 Billion Muslims who doesn't want to kill other people and because of few thousand you are blaming all of them that i guess the only word to describe is Bigot my friend .
and Jihad is no War or Holy war its a struggle , every Muslim believe in it ..We all do Jihad against Bad temptations , sins etc ..

What is a Muslim land ? There is nothing called Muslim land. There are 50+ Muslim states. Some of them like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE have chosen to conclude security agreements with USA. It is their right to do so

Yeah so leave Muslims States Alone, why Germany got Involved in Bombing Campaigns ? why America get Involved ? thing is that you and other American or White people wants to keep Killing Muslims Black and Latino , but when people call you Terrorists or potential Terrorist , y'all act like Angels it doesn't work like that ..

 

[zectech]

The white supremacists and racists have been emboldened and protected by the US govt itself! America will never be the same again and non-white will suffer as a consequence.

They even stole what it means to be Aryan and white. Like those racist in India.

They are not white, they are rapefugees. Lost their white skin nearly 30K years ago, and raped and murdered their way into getting white skin back. Frauds, these neo-nazis.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/sci...na-marker-proof-of-ancient-genocide-1.1426197

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/20/dutch-invaders-stonehenge-ancient-britons

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02825-9

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-a...by-the-arrival-of-a-new-tribe-4000-years-ago/

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/22/10705

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/10/03/inenglish/1538568010_930565.html

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...s-people-of-all-time-revealed-in-ancient-dna/

These are the same neo-nazis individuals who support bombing some third world country for shits and giggles.

So long as some brown person is suffering, these 'white' nationalists are giggling incoherently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...n-descended-just-trio-Bronze-Age-leaders.html

If you are good, these racists hate you.

You need to have better weapons than these individuals or they will bomb you, like they did on Iraq, Syria and Libya. This is why Chinese hackers are the most virtuous people on earth.

Three nothings entered Europe and their offspring killed off 90% of native Europeans. More nothings entered the Americas and wiped out the native Americans. You better have better weapons than these nothings. These mass genociders.

 

[nahtanbob]

Define Freedom, Can they get rid of American Troops ? Can they get Nukes ? can they build up their Military to a large extent ?



If you go by the % , A lot of White People are neo Nazi and want to murder Muslims , Black and Latino , like a lot of them , and if you are getting the % of 1.7 Billion Muslims who doesn't want to kill other people and because of few thousand you are blaming all of them that i guess the only word to describe is Bigot my friend .
and Jihad is no War or Holy war its a struggle , every Muslim believe in it ..We all do Jihad against Bad temptations , sins etc ..



Yeah so leave Muslims States Alone, why Germany got Involved in Bombing Campaigns ? why America get Involved ? thing is that you and other American or White people wants to keep Killing Muslims Black and Latino , but when people call you Terrorists or potential Terrorist , y'all act like Angels it doesn't work like that ..

Here we go again. A Pakistani who knows more than Germans and Japanese about their freedoms. Germans and Japanese are freer than Pakistan to express their opinions.

By what definition is a White person a neo-Nazi ? not wanting a brown skinned Muslim migrating to their lands does not make them a neo-Nazi

It is none of your Pakistani business what the Saudis or Kuwaits do. If you do not like the Saudis try telling them what to do. See what kind of response you get

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/opinion/america-racism.html



I think you are late by 500 to 100 years. I don’t think you realize that things now are nowhere near where they were back before the year 1900. 1000 British soldiers take over China. A few hundred Spanish soldiers take over Central and South America. Africa?

I don’t think you have much to worry about.

Actually those were religious fanatics

Here we go again. A Pakistani who knows more than Germans and Japanese about their freedoms. Germans and Japanese are freer than Pakistan to express their opinions.

By what definition is a White person a neo-Nazi ? not wanting a brown skinned Muslim migrating to their lands does not make them a neo-Nazi

It is none of your Pakistani business what the Saudis or Kuwaits do. If you do not like the Saudis try telling them what to do. See what kind of response you get

Might not but it makes you sound like a racist c&nt. Btw is the same land that they stole from "brown skinned" people. Where are you from boi?

 

[nahtanbob]

You need to have better weapons than these individuals or they will bomb you, like they did on Iraq, Syria and Libya. This is why Chinese hackers are the most virtuous people on earth.

Three nothings entered Europe and their offspring killed off 90% of native Europeans. More nothings entered the Americas and wiped out the native Americans. You better have better weapons than these nothings. These mass genociders.

you really think the Chinese are going to treat Pakistanis any better

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

yet Muslims want to emigrate only to selected White countries

*Countries which lands were stolen from the native. How amusing that yall forget that small fact

 

[YeBeWarned]

Here we go again. A Pakistani who knows more than Germans and Japanese about their freedoms. Germans and Japanese are freer than Pakistan to express their opinions.

Pakistani has nothing to do with Germany or Japan, the only Thing this specific Pakistani is saying that , White Supremacists will be the next biggest Global threat to world peace .

By what definition is a White person a neo-Nazi ? not wanting a brown skinned Muslim migrating to their lands does not make them a neo-Nazi

No, I did not say that.. You are trying to put words in my mouth , I specifically said in previous post that Not all white people are neo Nazi's , I am talking about those White Supremacists who think Whites are superior , who still think Blacks are less intelligent and should be slaves , Who wants to go into everyone's land but don't want anyone to come into theirs except other whites , who go into mosques/Churches/Hotels/Synagogues and kill masses of people .

It is none of your Pakistani business what the Saudis or Kuwaits do. If you do not like the Saudis try telling them what to do. See what kind of response you get

Again , irrelevant point .. If White Supremacist hate Muslims so much than why stay in their lands ? why buying their Oil ? Why investing in their countries ? You leave them alone, they leave you alone .. it is as simple as that .

 

[nahtanbob]

Actually those were religious fanatics


Might not but it makes you sound like a racist c&nt. Btw is the same land that they stole from "brown skinned" people. Where are you from boi?

you better get used to immigration restrictions and start fixing your own countries