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The Palestinians and the Holocaust
April 27, 2014 11:30 am



In the past few weeks, several reports highlighted the vitriolic backlash that followed a visit by a group of Palestinian students to Auschwitz at the end of March. The controversial visit – apparently the first of its kind – was organized as part of a joint program on Reconciliation and Conflict Resolution with the Friedrich Schiller University in Jena, Germany, and Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and was led by Al-Quds University professor Mohammed S. Dajani.

The media reports on this visit leave little doubt that Professor Dajani reacted to the abuse and threats directed at him with admirable courage and integrity; it is also clear that he greatly inspired the students who participated in this trip. Moreover, the organizers of this program obviously had only the best of intentions. Yet, it is arguably deplorable that nobody seems to have made an effort to use this opportunity to teach the Palestinian students about the collaboration of
Haj Amin al-Husseini with the Nazis. As one of the Palestinian students who visited Auschwitz reportedly noted afterwards: “It is a strange thing for a Palestinian to go to a Nazi death camp. But I would recommend the trip.”

Quite obviously, this student remained completely unaware that when Palestinians visit a Nazi death camp, they have no reason to feel like detached spectators for whom it is somewhat “strange” to come. On the contrary, when Palestinians visit a Nazi death camp, they are following in the footsteps of the man who is nowadays sometimes referred to as “
Hitler’s mufti” and they have the chance to understand what this Palestinian ally of the Nazis saw and what he envisaged for the Middle East after the Nazi victory he hoped for.

According to the recently published book “
Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East” by Barry Rubin and Wolfgang Schwanitz, it was either al-Husseini himself or one of his aides and relatives who visited Sachsenhausen in June 1942 together with three other Arab officials (p.2); there is also credible information indicating that one year later, “Eichmann personally took al-Husaini to visit the Auschwitz and Maidanek concentration camps.” (p. 164)

Rubin and Schwanitz also document that at this time, al-Husseini traveled extensively in German-occupied Poland and in early July 1943, he was Himmler’s guest in the Ukrainian town of Zhitomir. As al-Husseini later recorded in his own memoirs, Himmler told him on this occasion that the Nazis had already “liquidated about three million” Jews. (p.188)



Screenshot showing a photo of Haj Amin al-Husseini meeting SS leader Heinrich Himmler, with the dedication: To His Eminence the Grand Mufti as a memory; 4 VII: 1943; H.Himmler.

This was obviously good news for al-Husseini. While the Nazis were initially content to solve their “Jewish problem” by driving Jews out of Germany and German-occupied areas, Rubin and Schwanitz argue that the importance they attached to their alliance with the Palestinian mufti was one of the factors that led to the adoption of the “Final Solution:” since al-Husseini wanted the Arab lands he intended to rule as “judenrein” as the Nazis wanted Germany and Europe, the Nazis had one more reason to conclude that it was in their interest to begin the systematic killing of Jews.

According to Rubin and Schwanitz, it was therefore also not entirely coincidental that shortly “after seeing the grand mufti Hitler ordered invitations sent for a conference to be held at a villa on Lake Wannsee. The meeting’s purpose was to plan the comprehensive extermination of all Europe’s Jews.” (p. 8)

Al-Husseini was also “the first non-German informed about the plan, even before it was formally presented at the conference. Adolf Eichmann himself was assigned to this task. Eichmann briefed al-Husaini in the SS headquarters map room, using the presentation prepared for the conference. The grand mufti, Eichmann’s aide recalled, was very impressed, so taken with this blueprint for genocide that al-Husaini asked Eichmann to send an expert […] to Jerusalem to be his own personal adviser for setting up death camps and gas chambers once Germany won the war and he was in power.” (pp. 8-9)

The Nazis believed that, in contrast to some of the other Arab leaders who had shown interest in cooperating with them, the mufti had transnational appeal and influence due to his standing as a religious leader. The resulting esteem shown to al-Husseini by the Nazis was not only reflected in his access to the highest echelons of the Nazi leadership – including a lengthy
audience with Hitler – but also in the lavish accommodations and payments he received:

“In November 1941, al-Husaini arrived in Berlin to a reception showing the Germans saw him as future leader of all Arabs and Muslims […] He was housed in the luxurious Castle Bellevue, once home to Germany’s crown prince and today the official residence of Germany’s president. Al-Husaini was paid for his personal and political needs an amount equivalent to about twelve million dollars a year in today’s values. The funds were raised by selling gold seized from Jews sent to concentration camps. Following this pattern, al-Husaini requested and received as his office an expropriated Jewish apartment. His staff was housed in a half-dozen other houses provided by the Germans. In addition, al-Husaini was given a suite in Berlin’s splendid Hotel Adlon and, for vacations, luxurious accommodations at the Hotel Zittau and Oybin Castle in Saxony.” (p.5)

So it is not at all “a strange thing for a Palestinian to go to a Nazi death camp” – particularly given the fact that al-Husseini remains a revered Palestinian leader. In recent years, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has
repeatedly paid homage to al-Husseini, which inevitably casts a shadow over today’s news that for the first time, Abbas issued a special statement for Israel’s Holocaust Remembrance Day describing the Holocaust as “the most heinous crime to have occurred against humanity in the modern era.”

This statement shouldn’t be dismissed lightly, since it will no doubt trigger furious reactions by all those who insist that the Palestinian “nakba” was a comparable tragedy. Nevertheless, those who will now rush to praise Abbas for this statement should pause for a moment and consider how much more could be achieved for the prospects of genuine reconciliation and peace if the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world were finally willing to confront their own historical connections to the Nazi era. As Rubin and Schwanitz rightly highlight: “The regimes that would later rule Iraq for forty years, Syria for fifty years, and Egypt for sixty years were all established by groups and leaders who had been Nazi sympathizers.” (p.4) Given the re-emergence of Islamism, it is no less important to realize that this “ideology bore the mark of al-Husaini and the other wartime [Nazi] collaborators, especially the Muslim Brotherhood.”
 
It's getting old. The same Zionist/Jewish right-wing nonsense repeated again and again.
Except it's not nonsense. "Nonsense" is that insistence of many Arab leaders that despite decades of inter-Arab conflict, highlighted by the turmoil of recent years causing hundreds of thousands of Arab deaths at the hands of other Arabs, Israel is still the "enemy" Arabs should be most concerned about. That's what's getting "old".

they have no right to invade Palestine
Unclear which "they" you are talking about.
 
Except it's not nonsense. "Nonsense" is that insistence of many Arab leaders that despite decades of inter-Arab conflict, highlighted by the turmoil of recent years causing hundreds of thousands of Arab deaths at the hands of other Arabs, Israel is still the "enemy" Arabs should be most concerned about. That's what's getting "old".

What are you talking about? Civil unrest does not count and are/were found in every region on this planet and historically were as common in Europe as flies are today. Non-argument once again from your side.

Other than that can you then mention any wars involving Arab states versus other Arab states other than Saddam's invasion of Kuwait?

I have not said anything about Israel being an enemy. Let alone Jews as a people. I am just against radical Zionism that your likes represent. Nothing more. You would be surprised how many Arabs don't care the slightest about the tiny country called Israel. I am one of those millions of people.

 
These Jews are getting desperate these days, they want to blame the Palestinians for the holocaust. Jews are the ultimate hypocrites.

here is an old polish saying.

" The Jew crys out in pain as he strikes you."
 
What are you talking about? Civil unrest does not count -
No? How does that work?


Other than that can you then mention any wars involving Arab states versus other Arab states other than Saddam's invasion of Kuwait?
Sure, the Yemen conflict of the 1950s and 60s and the Iran/Iraq war (where Syria opposed Iraq) are the first two that comes to mind.

I have not said anything about Israel being an enemy. Let alone Jews as a people. I am just against radical Zionism that your likes represent. Nothing more. You would be surprised how many Arabs don't care the slightest about the tiny country called Israel. I am one of those millions of people.
Then maybe you should consider changing your mind and unconditionally supporting the existence of the Jewish State of Israel. It's not so "radical", a state and people that demonstrates that it really stands for truth, justice, and human rights, it's just unusual for a region that confuses posturing with the real thing.
 
No? How does that work?


Sure, the Yemen conflict of the 1950s and 60s and the Iran/Iraq war (where Syria opposed Iraq) are the first two that comes to mind.

Then maybe you should consider changing your mind and unconditionally supporting the existence of the Jewish State of Israel. It's not so "radical", a state and people that demonstrates that it really stands for truth, justice, and human rights, it's just unusual for a region that confuses posturing with the real thing.

Because civil unrest and revolutions are not wars and because the death toll is microscopic compared to actual wars.

Also you do realize that there are over 20 Arab countries and nearly 450 million Arabs and that the Arab world is huge geographically speaking?

Do I need to tell you that 80 million people died during WW1 and WW2 in total, 80% being Europeans? That's not more than 70 years ago.

LOL what? Yemen was a CIVIL WAR. Iraq-Iran war was not a war between two Arab states.

I have not spoken out against an Israeli state. But what is now Israel with its apartheid policies and virtual occupation of Palestine is not a state that any sane person should support.

We can also argue that you should support a Palestinian state unconditionally as well.

You missed this video. Here is what a Holocaust survivor has to say about the modern-day state of Israel. Hardly rosy words from the old JEWISH man.

 
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Much of this is laughable but do consider this: why are Jews forbidden by Arabs to peacefully worship at their most sacred religious site, if they so choose? Isn't it about Muslim occupation of the Temple Mount as a symbol of Muslim supremacy and conquest over other religions? And isn't that idea far more "radical" than anything Israel has done?

You never ask yourself what Arabs owe the Jews for the miseries and calumnies and casualties Arabs heap upon them, you know. Once freed from Turkish domination, Arabs have proved they cannot tolerate Jews in their midst, while Jews proved they can embrace Arabs as fellow citizens. The injustice of Arabs towards Jews is so great that it cannot even be addressed by Arabs; however, the Arabs too suffer from this, as the perpetuation of injustice is part of the culture and stokes violence in their own societies. Embracing Israel and the values it stands for will change all that for the better.
 
Because civil unrest and revolutions are not wars and because the death toll is microscopic compared to actual wars.
Not today.

Also you do realize that there are over 20 Arab countries and nearly 450 million Arabs and that the Arab world is huge geographically speaking?
So what?

LOL what? Yemen was a CIVIL WAR. Iraq-Iran war was not a war between two Arab states.
Saudi Arabia conquered Yemeni territory, including Jewish villages whose inhabitants were expelled.

I have not spoken out against an Israeli state. But what is now Israel with its apartheid policies and virtual occupation of Palestine is not a state that any sane person should support.
That doesn't play well from a man who lives in a country where Jews are forbidden to remain and practice their religion openly. But I do know that's been the Saudi line for over fifty years - another thing that needs changing that the King has shied away from.

We can also argue that you should support a Palestinian state unconditionally as well.
How many "Palestinian" states would that be?

You missed this video. Here is what a Holocaust survivor has to say about the modern-day state of Israel. Hardly rosy words from the old JEWISH man.
I don't do videos. Too much waste of time. If you want, you can make a transcript for me to review.
 
Much of this is laughable but do consider this: why are Jews forbidden by Arabs to peacefully worship at their most sacred religious site, if they so choose? Isn't it about Muslim occupation of the Temple Mount as a symbol of Muslim supremacy and conquest over other religions? And isn't that idea far more "radical" than anything Israel has done?

You never ask yourself what Arabs owe the Jews for the miseries and calumnies and casualties Arabs heap upon them, you know. Once freed from Turkish domination, Arabs have proved they cannot tolerate Jews in their midst, while Jews proved they can embrace Arabs as fellow citizens. The injustice of Arabs towards Jews is so great that it cannot even be addressed by Arabs; however, the Arabs too suffer from this, as the perpetuation of injustice is part of the culture and stokes violence in their own societies. Embracing Israel and the values it stands for will change all that for the better.

Forbidden? Where did you invent that fantasy?

Al-Quds was under Muslim control for 1350 years. Al-Quds is not a Jewish city originally. So you can't play that game. Besides the Palestinians are more native genetically to the region than the average Israeli is today. Another important point.

You Jewish-American deluded clown. When Jews were systematically massacred in Europe for centuries, suffered from pogroms, where discriminated against, not allowed to study at universities or own land etc. from Iberia in the West to Russia in the East and from the British Isles in the Northwest to Greece in Southeast Europe Jews lived like lords in much of the Arab world. As equal citizens. From Casablanca to Baghdad and Sana'a.

Even today most of the Jewish Arabs, that nearly make up 50% of Israel's population, have mostly warm memories of their ancestral lands.

Also there are several Arab states that are more pluralistic, ethnically diverse than Israel will ever be.

Besides I find that hilarious coming from a proponent of a de facto apartheid state. Very few values are to be embraced. Political especially.

Not today.

So what?

Saudi Arabia conquered Yemeni territory, including Jewish villages whose inhabitants were expelled.

That doesn't play well from a man who lives in a country where Jews are forbidden to remain and practice their religion openly. But I do know that's been the Saudi line for over fifty years - another thing that needs changing that the King has shied away from.

How many "Palestinian" states would that be?

I don't do videos. Too much waste of time. If you want, you can make a transcript for me to review.

Syria is the only exception which is also why it is called a civil war. Welcome to 2014.

No, it did not.

I don't live in KSA cretin. And unlike you I have lived on 3 continents and have ancestral ties not only to the ME but also Europe. Don't talk to me like you talk to some ignorants here or in real life.

Jews as any other non-Muslims are free to practice their own religion inside their own homes or in private. There are no native Jews in KSA anymore. If there are Jews in KSA right now they are temporary visitors. KSA is not going to change to please them. If they don't like that they can work in another country.

How about the Palestine that everyone familiar with the ME knows about?

Yes, of course. You prefer not to look at the truth with your own eyes.

@Hazzy997
 
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Forbidden? Where did you invent that fantasy?...Al-Quds is not a Jewish city originally -
O.K, you're in outer space somewhere, but Jerusalem was a Jewish city for over a thousand years and save for two centuries of the Roman period Jews dominated its life up to the Muslim conquest, and even beyond.

So you can't play that game. Besides the Palestinians are more native genetically to the region than the average Israeli is today. Another important point.
Sounds like an acknowledgement of racism to me.

You Jewish-American bell end. When Jews were systematically massacred in Europe for centuries, suffered from pogroms, where discriminated against, not allowed to study at universities or own land etc. from Iberia in the West to Russia in the East and from the British Isles in the Northwest to Greece in Southeast Europe Jews lived like lords in much of the Arab world. As equal citizens. From Casablanca to Baghdad and Sana'a.
Thanks mostly to the Turks. I don't give Arabs much credit for this.

Even today most of the Jewish Arabs, that nearly make up 50% of Israel's population, have mostly warm memories of their ancestral lands.
I recall reading that the Jews who were tossed out of Egypt after 1949 had warm memories of their neighbors. It must be dismaying for them that children of the people they were friends with them have been inculcated with blind hatred in their absence - much of it supported by Saudi Arabia, of course.

Also there are several Arab states that are more pluralistic, ethnically diverse than Israel will ever be.
On the one hand you claim the Jews of Israel mostly aren't part of the region, and on the other you boast that Arabs are more diverse than Israel. Can't claim both, dude.

You just use "apartheid" as a buzz-word. You don't know what it means, nor can you evaluate the difference in experience between those who lived under apartheid and those who live in Israel. Do some research and don't always stand up for the ridiculous racism of your leaders; that's one of the tricks they have to keep you under their thumb.

How about the Palestine that everyone familiar with the ME knows about?
An invention of the past sixty years or so for the purpose of sustaining Jew-hatred. Until the 1950s the term "Palestinian" referred only to Jews. The Jerusalem Post was called The Palestine Post. Fifteen Arab villages in the area sent notes to the Versaille Conference that they were not "Palestinian" but "southern Syrians".

Yes, of course. You prefer not to look at the truth with your own eyes.
I've seen it. I've seen the hate of the Arabs and the humanity of the Jews. Lots of Arabs know about it, too. It's long past time for the old shibboleths to fall away and the truth acknowledged: Israel and what it stands for is good, and tyrants of the Arabs stand for what is bad, and it's the example of Israel that needs to be promoted as a good to aspire to, rather than something to be vilified.[/quote]
 
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