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The North-South Divide

In a recent analysis, Credit Suisse showed that over the last 20 years many Indian states have undergone rapid growth spurts, but only once under a Congress party chief minister. This helps explain why the Congress is now the main governing party in only two of the 10 major Indian states, down from eight in the 1980s and all 10 in the 1960s. Meanwhile, there are dozens of examples of economic growth led by rival parties.

I mean what else are we waiting, its obvious this congress party is dragging India down. Its time to get rid of this dead weight in the next general election. Atleast for good two terms.:guns:

cool...

oh by the way, where did i even bring up religion.

Man, just leave the subject. You guys are funny, but hopeless. cheers

Try reading the article first before coming up with your little anecdotes. Don't let the title fool you, its not about North Indians hating South Indians and vice versa.

But yeah pretty cool story.
 
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cool...

oh by the way, where did i even bring up religion.

Man, just leave the subject. You guys are funny, but hopeless. cheers
Dude, I see that you have nothin more to say than to banter. You feel the need to just keep replying without engaging in a discussion, so I will stop myself here, but would like anyone else to point out why im wrong in saying what I said.. Im ready to accept if im wrong, unfortunately I dont like banter..
 
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The dip in the growth rates of southern states have been I think mostly because of 2 or 3 factors.. In Andhra Pradesh a incompetent, useless and is a puppet govt of the center, also it can be attributed to the focus of AP in service sector which gets directly effected from a recession in US and europe. In Tamil Nadu Im not sure but, the Industrial expansion envisioned did not come to fruit because there was a recession and the Tamil Nadu is a major automotive (export too) Industrial base and services provider. Karnataka I think just because of services..
 
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The dip in the growth rates of southern states have been I think mostly because of 2 or 3 factors.. In Andhra Pradesh a incompetent, useless and is a puppet govt of the center, also it can be attributed to the focus of AP in service sector which gets directly effected from a recession in US and europe. In Tamil Nadu Im not sure but, the Industrial expansion envisioned did not come to fruit because there was a recession and the Tamil Nadu is a major automotive (export too) Industrial base and services provider. Karnataka I think just because of services..

Massive powercuts are also not helping either.
 
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Massive powercuts are also not helping either.
yeah true, but this summer it was good we dint face a lot of cuts.. talking bout hyd here...

With the electricity production from Koondakulam, maybe the industries and farmers can see better days..
 
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The centre of economic dynamism is shifting from the south and parts of the west to the major population centres of the central and northern heartland. If the corruption issue has discouraged many businesses from investing, there are many exceptions in provinces where competent new governors are actually cleaning up the local business scene, and where the consumer culture is exploding. In the 1980s, when India first began to reform, economic growth increased from 3 per cent to 5.5 per cent, propelled mainly by the emergence of technology and outsourcing industries in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. Back in 1981, incomes in the most-developed states were 26 per cent higher than those in undeveloped states, and that gap had grown to 86 per cent by 2008.



Telecom subscribers grew by 68% in Bihar in the last five years. In Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh it was about 40%. The national average was 43.7%.


Predictably, this produced a certain arrogance in the southern states, where it became commonplace to look with alarm and pity on the failure of the populous northern states to keep up. Southerners saw themselves as harder working, better educated, and more ready to compete in the world. Bihar became the butt of southern jokes that India could end its running territorial dispute with Pakistan by giving up Kashmir, so long as Pakistan took Bihar too. Bihar was the only state that not only sat out India’s first growth spurt but also saw its economy shrink (by 9 per cent) between 1980 and 2003. Soon thereafter things began to change, and in recent years the north has been growing faster than the south. Between 2007 and 2010, the average economic growth rate of the southern states decelerated from 7 per cent to 6.5 per cent, while that of the northern states accelerated from 4.5 per cent to 6.8 per cent.

The rise of the rest in India resulted from a number of factors, perhaps most important the election of better leaders. In a recent analysis, Credit Suisse showed that over the last 20 years many Indian states have undergone rapid growth spurts, but only once under a Congress party chief minister. This helps explain why the Congress is now the main governing party in only two of the 10 major Indian states, down from eight in the 1980s and all 10 in the 1960s. Meanwhile, there are dozens of examples of economic growth led by rival parties.



The most striking example comes from Bihar, a state that V.S. Naipaul once described as “the place where civilisation ends”. Chief minister Nitish Kumar stormed into office in 2005 on a wave of voter frustration with the general chaos, and launched an aggressive campaign to bring order and common sense to a lawless territory. Bridges and roads got built, Bihar started to function, then to fly. Now its economy is growing at 11 per cent, the second fastest in India, and Nitish is lauded as a model of what a straight leader can accomplish in a crooked state.

Meanwhile, India as a whole was going the opposite way, as the formerly dynamic southern states seemed to a hit a wall of complacency. The economy in six Indian states grew faster than 10 per cent in 2010, but none of them were in the south. Even when India’s growth dipped to 6.9 per cent in the fiscal year ended March 2012, the northern states as a whole showed a slight year-on-year acceleration, with the bulk of the deceleration attributable to the west and the south.

The southern states have also seen a decline in the competence of their leaders, and growth has fallen accordingly: over the past 10 years, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu have seen growth rates slip, in some years to about half their previous double-digit pace. Some southern Indians explain this away by saying that they already had their big boom, but this is hardly the way to follow China. In China, the rich southern states experienced a boom for three decades, not just one, and have reached annual per capita income levels of $15,000-20,000 while India’s southern states still have a per capita income only slightly above the national average of $1,400.

To an extent, isolation set up the remote states in the northern and central parts of India for success: the global credit boom of the last decade passed them by, which meant the crisis that followed didn’t leave them broke, and they have room to borrow to build new enterprises. The global commodities boom has also worked to the advantage of these regions, which are home to rich reserves of coal and iron, and most of India’s new steel and power plant projects. Nitish Kumar and other new leaders are taking the simple steps required to start growing from a poor base—particularly building new roads and wireless telecom systems. Literacy rates are rising faster in the north than the south, evidence that the new leadership is taking advantage of their demographic potential: half of India’s under-15 population resides in just five underdeveloped states—Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Orissa.


The North Face | Ruchir Sharma

These jokes and perceptions are run by random intellectuals having nothing to feel good about themselves,

Common people in South India have no such perceptions and just enjoy the rice and curry happily.

My observation... North Indians are more entrepreneurial while south Indians are more cut out for administrative jobs..

nothing like that,

often people from places with no land but access to credit from ones own reputation become entre[reneurs.

The north you are referring to here are Marwaris & Sindhis and they have always been entreprenurial,

there's some chick i know from Tamil Nadu, she's doing her CFA at the same institution i'm studying at......i was shocked when i spoke to her in Urdu (i tried to hindi-ize it as much as i could) -- she had no bloody idea what on earth i was saying and she seemed to view me with contempt when i asked her how she could not understand hindi.....i got the impression she was anti-north after some of the subsequent comments she made (some which i wont list, simply because i know it will derail the thread)





caste system still prevails in much of the country, from what i hear....your fate is pre-determined by your caste and which family you are born into...it'll determine your occupation, your level of education, economic disposition; even who you get married to and from which water fountain or cup you drink out of

if i were indian i'd focus on getting rid of caste system rather than focusing on regional rivalries and language wars

There is a lot of brainwashing in TN,anti hindi,this that bullshit.

But then these people who can afford to study in the US have no issues,

it is the innocent poor who gets all this BS is scared of even going to Mumbai to do a job because of language problem.

These educated fools are the bane of our country especially the one from Madras who think to no end of themselves.

Caste is no issue man,infact if u r a perceived upper caste like Brahmin without land,u r doomed.
 
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North and west Indians are more towards business while south and east Indians are more oriented towards scientific, mathematical and technology side.

Not entirely true. Malayalees are known for their very strong business sense and they are from Kerala in the south. The same can be said of the Tamil Chettiar community. Tamil Muslims are known to be very good businessmen and present in large numbers throughout Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.
In Singapore u can see Tamil Iyers dominating the legal field. Many own their own private practices. I'm not sure how it is in India now. And yes, Tamils are well represented in IT, aeronautics etc.

But you can't say we don't have much inclination for business. We do have strong business communities. :tup:

These jokes and perceptions are run by random intellectuals having nothing to feel good about themselves,

Common people in South India have no such perceptions and just enjoy the rice and curry happily.



nothing like that,

often people from places with no land but access to credit from ones own reputation become entre[reneurs.

The north you are referring to here are Marwaris & Sindhis and they have always been entreprenurial,



There is a lot of brainwashing in TN,anti hindi,this that bullshit.

But then these people who can afford to study in the US have no issues,

it is the innocent poor who gets all this BS is scared of even going to Mumbai to do a job because of language problem.

These educated fools are the bane of our country especially the one from Madras who think to no end of themselves.

Caste is no issue man,infact if u r a perceived upper caste like Brahmin without land,u r doomed.

This regionalism is just BS and has to end. It serves no purpose in a united India and noone is going to benefit. I personally would like to see Hindi play a bigger role in Tamilnadu just as in other states. It doesn't make sense that we embrace English which is entirely foreign and reject Hindi which is tied closely with us culturally.
 
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This regionalism is just BS and has to end. It serves no purpose in a united India and noone is going to benefit. I personally would like to see Hindi play a bigger role in Tamilnadu just as in other states. It doesn't make sense that we embrace English which is entirely foreign and reject Hindi which is tied closely with us culturally.

Which states are you speaking about? In Kerala eventhough we are not hostile to Hindi, they are not much takers for it. Even Bollywood don't have much of an effect here. Malayalam suits us just fine and English helped us to become global citizens. For us Hindi is just another Indian language.
Also as the saying goes ..If its not broken, why fix it. India is working just fine without shoving down Hindi across everyone's throat.
 
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Do we want to be untied or united
I wish to see an india where a gujarati can stand for election in tn and actually win. we need this kind of cross regional leadership which will unite us better.
 
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there's some chick i know from Tamil Nadu, she's doing her CFA at the same institution i'm studying at......i was shocked when i spoke to her in Urdu (i tried to hindi-ize it as much as i could) -- she had no bloody idea what on earth i was saying and she seemed to view me with contempt when i asked her how she could not understand hindi.....i got the impression she was anti-north after some of the subsequent comments she made (some which i wont list, simply because i know it will derail the thread)





caste system still prevails in much of the country, from what i hear....your fate is pre-determined by your caste and which family you are born into...it'll determine your occupation, your level of education, economic disposition; even who you get married to and from which water fountain or cup you drink out of

if i were indian i'd focus on getting rid of caste system rather than focusing on regional rivalries and language wars


I know caste system should be abolished, but your notion of " life is predetermined by our caste " is BS.

Please read this : K. R. Narayanan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know you wont be satisfied but please dont generalize by saying " some random chick..... ". I am a south Indian and knows fluent Hindi, but nowhere it is written in our constitution that i learn Hindi compulsory.
 
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Not entirely true. Malayalees are known for their very strong business sense and they are from Kerala in the south. The same can be said of the Tamil Chettiar community. Tamil Muslims are known to be very good businessmen and present in large numbers throughout Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.
In Singapore u can see Tamil Iyers dominating the legal field. Many own their own private practices. I'm not sure how it is in India now. And yes, Tamils are well represented in IT, aeronautics etc.

But you can't say we don't have much inclination for business. We do have strong business communities. :tup:



This regionalism is just BS and has to end. It serves no purpose in a united India and noone is going to benefit. I personally would like to see Hindi play a bigger role in Tamilnadu just as in other states. It doesn't make sense that we embrace English which is entirely foreign and reject Hindi which is tied closely with us culturally.

India has to move above, cast and language and its on track. what you just said sounded like someone who commented on this thrad in the begining..
 
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there's some chick i know from Tamil Nadu, she's doing her CFA at the same institution i'm studying at......i was shocked when i spoke to her in Urdu (i tried to hindi-ize it as much as i could) -- she had no bloody idea what on earth i was saying and she seemed to view me with contempt when i asked her how she could not understand hindi.....i got the impression she was anti-north after some of the subsequent comments she made (some which i wont list, simply because i know it will derail the thread)

Its ok, you just said the truth, Indians dont troll on truth.

I concur, see everytime some **** happens there I guess some groups which block the highway in a already limited place of chickens Neck.. last time I heard the blockade went on for 100 days.. The government should announce immediately a infrastructure package, I guess once a very good connectivity to mainland is established, we will see good growth in NE

Dude, you are so wrong.. The incident happened because we have something called as federal structure in place, the state can makle policies for the state independently on many things(not all).. In Tamil Nadu she could not understand you cause the local govt did not have Hindi as a subject in their curriculum.. Do not assume you know without even knowing the root cause <edit> FYI.. Hindi is not the National language, we have many official language but no National Language, so there was never a compulsory language here.. Hindi is the most common.. this is what we call being secular..

We have only two Official language
Languages with official status in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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