The New ISI CHIEF

[Goenitz]

iski awaz aa rahi hai tu "aozo billah" parh lain

man... anyway, I just said that bcz it sounded like a patriotic but naïve kid hunry for likes too

 

[war&peace]

man... anyway, I just said that bcz it sounded like a patriotic but naïve kid hunry for likes too

People need to learn the value of discipline. We should welcome and cooperate with whoever is selected as the chief of the agency. People in the agency and army will surely obey and follow whatever the leader has been selected for them but here some kids are running amuck with their favorites based on some tidbits of info which is nothing more than a fart in the vast expanse of the space. While the decision makers have much more visibility and thankfully now we have a convergence of the leadership which working together in the interest of the nation.

 

[Kompromat]

None of it is official yet, just gossip.

 

[Knight Rider]

man... anyway, I just said that bcz it sounded like a patriotic but naïve kid hunry for likes too

He is a successful youtuber of Pakistan. I don't know he's a teenager or a guy. But he is very patriotic just like the Haqeeqat Tv you-tuber.

 

[war&peace]

Why so serious ????

just chilling

 

[Knight Rider]

People need to learn the value of discipline. We should welcome and cooperate with whoever is selected as the chief of the agency. People in the agency and army will surely obey and follow whatever the leader has been selected for them but here some kids are running amuck with their favorites based on some tidbits of info which is nothing more than a fart in the vast expanse of the space. While the decision makers have much more visibility and thankfully now we have a convergence of the leadership which working together in the interest of the nation.

OH Bhai i dont even know who this Lt. General Asim Munir is. I just wanted to share news with PDF members so we can debate etc. And with a source. That why i shared video also. I voted for Imran Khan and i know he will select a credible person.

I didn't even know Ghazwa-e-Hind name will trigger so many PDF members.

 

[Amaa'n]

Experience and Structure are whole different thing. They both work different ways but they both work for the sake of Intelligence. As I said, he is better than a General who was once a FIU OC during his early days.

SOPs, Surveillance, Developing Asset, CI ops that is all done byt he people at Director level, they are the back bone of ISI. Head of ISI is just there to set the direction & sign on the ops.

ISI has a wider scope, requires strategic level of thought process, one needs to look at long term goals , have holistic view of the situation. History dictates that those who did not have MI experience did better when they held the office of Director Intelligence / DG ISI, its the cultural thing. MI has some really bad habits, few to quote - Hamid Mir attempted assassination fiasco, Missing person cases. they have a habit of going in hard & heavy, which does not work well with ISI.

Brigadier Trimzi (r) the then Director CI at ISI has couple of things to say in his book if you give it a read, and they all make sense.

If you read Brigadier M.Yousuf's book - Afghanistan the bear trap he had few things to say about General Hameed Gul too.

I am not saying MI is an incompetent organization, no they have done tremendous job at gathering intel but they have a poor track record of handling sensitive matters.

Gen Kayani worked more as a stooge than independent. What makes you think he was fearsome?

this will turn into a long discussion tbh, he kept the country together, it was his & General Pasha's great efforts that we went through tough times. We were fighting wars at multiple levels, from within the forces, & outside threats.......he had to ensure that Army as an Institution does not fail, he had to ensure that the country stays intact.....I suggest you read articles from 2004 - 2012 and that will help you understand the situation.
And if I may suggest a book to read - Inside Al Qaeda & Taliban by Amir Shehzad.

 

[Tps43]

None of it is official yet, just gossip.

Can't u edit title .
Enough of this .
It's like 3rd thread without offical confirmation.

 

[war&peace]

SOPs, Surveillance, Developing Asset, CI ops that is all done byt he people at Director level, they are the back bone of ISI. Head of ISI is just there to set the direction & sign on the ops.

ISI has a wider scope, requires strategic level of thought process, one needs to look at long term goals , have holistic view of the situation. History dictates that those who did not have MI experience did better when they held the office of Director Intelligence / DG ISI, its the cultural thing. MI has some really bad habits, few to quote - Hamid Mir attempted assassination fiasco, Missing person cases. they have a habit of going in hard & heavy, which does not work well with ISI.

Brigadier Trimzi (r) the then Director CI at ISI has couple of things to say in his book if you give it a read, and they all make sense.

If you read Brigadier M.Yousuf's book - Afghanistan the bear trap he had few things to say about General Hameed Gul too.

I am not saying MI is an incompetent organization, no they have done tremendous job at gathering intel but they have a poor track record of handling sensitive matters.



this will turn into a long discussion tbh, he kept the country together, it was his & General Pasha's great efforts that we went through tough times. We were fighting wars at multiple levels, from within the forces, & outside threats.......he had to ensure that Army as an Institution does not fail, he had to ensure that the country stays intact.....I suggest you read articles from 2004 - 2012 and that will help you understand the situation.
And if I may suggest a book to read - Inside Al Qaeda & Taliban by Amir Shehzad.

Sir, may be it is better not to discuss it here. Just saying.

 

[Big Tank]

SOPs, Surveillance, Developing Asset, CI ops that is all done byt he people at Director level, they are the back bone of ISI. Head of ISI is just there to set the direction & sign on the ops.

ISI has a wider scope, requires strategic level of thought process, one needs to look at long term goals , have holistic view of the situation. History dictates that those who did not have MI experience did better when they held the office of Director Intelligence / DG ISI, its the cultural thing. MI has some really bad habits, few to quote - Hamid Mir attempted assassination fiasco, Missing person cases. they have a habit of going in hard & heavy, which does not work well with ISI.

Brigadier Trimzi (r) the then Director CI at ISI has couple of things to say in his book if you give it a read, and they all make sense.

If you read Brigadier M.Yousuf's book - Afghanistan the bear trap he had few things to say about General Hameed Gul too.

I am not saying MI is an incompetent organization, no they have done tremendous job at gathering intel but they have a poor track record of handling sensitive matters.



this will turn into a long discussion tbh, he kept the country together, it was his & General Pasha's great efforts that we went through tough times. We were fighting wars at multiple levels, from within the forces, & outside threats.......he had to ensure that Army as an Institution does not fail, he had to ensure that the country stays intact.....I suggest you read articles from 2004 - 2012 and that will help you understand the situation.
And if I may suggest a book to read - Inside Al Qaeda & Taliban by Amir Shehzad.

I do understand your concern. I've read both the Profiles of Intelligence and The Bear Trap. Brigadier Tirmazi gave a great insight about the affairs and since am at work I can't have a long argument here. I agree regarding Gen Gul but remember, it was not because he served as DG MI. It was because he did it more personally than professionally. He had his personal goals while serving in the agency. It was also because of his lobby which included Brig Billah, Maj Amir etc. All of them were powerful and did dirty stuff ahead in their career. Although Maj Amir did serve well for the country but his personal aims proved fatal.